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Posted by u/behnamoh 3 years ago
Ask HN: What lesser-known accessories do you use with your computer?
E.g., any special mouse, keyboard, ring, headset, ... that has made a significant impact on your workflow.
modeless · 3 years ago
Gaming wireless headphones, not for gaming but for videoconferencing. Bluetooth headphones are universally terrible for videoconferencing because the Bluetooth standard sucks and requires downgrading to telephone audio quality whenever the mic is enabled. Plus terrible latency. Gaming wireless headphones that come with their own dongle completely fix these issues and are perfect for videoconferencing. Someday the Bluetooth ecosystem will get their act together, but it'll be a while and you'll have to buy all new devices because it's a standard made by hardware manufacturers for hardware manufacturers.

Also, some of those magnetic USB charging cables to keep them charged without fiddling with plugging in cables. The nice thing about these is that the same magnetic cable can attach to both microUSB and USB-C dongles, so you can charge any small device with one cable. And the dongles are tiny so you just put them into all your devices and leave them there, super convenient.

Eisenstein · 3 years ago
Don't use magnetic USB adapters. They run a decent risk of frying your device. The USB-C spec was not designed to have the connection broken in that way. You will have no issues 99% of the time, but you will eventually have that time when your device gets fried. It takes a very precise design and a lot of clever engineering to have a high-current power connector with tiny pins be able to break without having the ground be the last connection to be broken.

It is also easy for the magnetic connector to short the power into a data line, and because it doesn't connect in the proper pin order and has no 'mid-plate' it has no mitigation against arcing. See this picture:

* https://imgur.com/a/bMvYtfy

Notice how some pins are longer than others? They are designed that way so that they connect first and disconnect last, so that ground is always established before and after other pins connect. This prevents connecting and disconnecting a cable from frying your electronics.

"The mid-plate shall be connected to the PCB ground with at least two grounding points. The mid-plate shall be designed such that plug pins A4, A5, A6, A7, A8, A9, and B4, B5, B6, B7, B8, B9 do not short to ground during the connector mating process with an effective 6.2 mm receptacle shell implementation." [1]

[0] USB Type-C Spec R2.2 - October 2022, Figure 3-13, Page 65.

[1] USB Type-C Spec R2.2 - October 2022, Section 3.2.1 Interface Definition, Page 43.

* https://www.usb.org/document-library/usb-type-cr-cable-and-c...

lifty · 3 years ago
Thanks for the heads up. This is a useful warning, as the magnetic adapters seem attractive, but they are not worth it if they risk frying your device.
spiffytech · 3 years ago
I fried a hub, a wall charger, and the USB ports on my monitor before I identified my magnetic USB-C connector as the problem.
denysonique · 3 years ago
A power-only (2 wire) magnetic USB-C cable will be as safe as prior generation magnetic USB cables (it won't be more likely to damage your device)
psychomugs · 3 years ago
Among the neurotic optimizations I’ve made to my cable setup - retracting USB-C cables and normal cables of any length, adapters for any and all devices I own - I have avoided magnetic adapters for the above reasons.
gorbachev · 3 years ago
I stopped using magnetic USB adapters when I noticed some sort of interference from them was causing other USB devices from being properly connected. Windows wouldn't recognize or detect the devices.

It could've also been the USB hub I was using, but the problem disappeared once I changed the USB cable with magnetic adapters to a cable with ordinary connectors.

pseudosavant · 3 years ago
I use some magnetic tips, but only for all my non-USB-C.

Almost everything I have now uses USB-C. The few micro USB and Lightning devices hanging around don’t have the same high current concerns.

Dead Comment

throwaway290 · 3 years ago
I use wired. No hassle with charging or dongles. It's not as if I am going anywhere in these since the mic arm is quite awkward looking (but provides unbeatable sound quality).
modeless · 3 years ago
No dongle? The whole thing is a giant dongle hanging off your computer. Headphone cables are far more annoying than mouse cables IMO, and they even affect the sound because it's quite audible when they hit or rub on stuff. Plus I find it surprisingly useful to be able to get out of my chair to grab something while still listening and/or talking. I can even go to another room.
benhurmarcel · 3 years ago
I find it nice to not be tethered to my desk for hours when I'm at home. But I guess it depends how long you spend on calls during your day.
arjvik · 3 years ago
Came here just to mention magnetic charger adapters!

I bought a cheap set off of Amazon, and then realized I also wanted non-USB-C tips as well. While the brand I bought wasn't selling them, turns out that the same factory manufacturing them also manufactures for other brands, and so on like the third page of Amazon results I found another product using the exact same tips, but this time also including other types!

TMWNN · 3 years ago
>Also, some of those magnetic USB charging cables to keep them charged without fiddling with plugging in cables.

I've had MacBooks for two decades. Until my recent purchase of an Apple Silicon model, they all used proprietary power connections (first barrel, then MagSafe) on one side of the computer. Since I needed a power supply in two different places, this always meant obtaining a second Apple charger.

My current MacBook is the first I've owned that also allows charging from any USB-C port. For the first time, I can

* use a small USB charger I already owned (A 27W unit in my case. Yes, the computer does charge under use, albeit slower than with the Apple charger)

* charge on the opposite side of where the Apple charger goes (which is very useful for my aforementioned multiple-location usage pattern)

* still have an auto-detachable connection by, like you, using a magnetic USB connection (<https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BCJVL7CD/> is what I use)

jrootabega · 3 years ago
Headsets with a mic arm that auto-mutes in hardware also have the benefit that you can go to the bathroom, use the kitchen, etc. on mute, but still respond quickly if someone addresses you.
wolrah · 3 years ago
You'll want to be very confident that it actually mutes in hardware.

I thought my old headset (Logitech G930) did, until I found out the hard way that it was in fact just sending a software command to mute the mic at the system level, and that if the headset was turned on while plugged in to external power it would not properly communicate any inputs to the host system.

Audio still worked perfectly, but volume controls, the "G Keys", and most importantly mic mute did not work in this state. The red light at the tip of the mic would come on but nothing actually changed and audio was always being transmitted to the host PC (which I guess was always true, but the host PC now wasn't muting it either).

I found this out during a lunch break on a multi-day training session, where I let out a Barney Gumble class belch with my mic in the up/off position and the background chatter in the conference call fell silent until someone commented about how my lunch must have been good. After figuring out what happened I then wondered how much had been heard on previous days, but never got around to going back and listening through the session recordings to figure it out.

grungydan · 3 years ago
Unless it's a Logitech headset, in which case 90% of the time the functionality of the mic-arm-mute breaks at the software level requiring various troubleshooting dances before anyone can hear you again. How they can be such a leader in the peripheral space but still produce absolutely the worst garbage software will never stop being annoying.
cubefox · 3 years ago
That sounds risky
kotaKat · 3 years ago
Odd, I went the opposite way -- a full blown high-end Bluetooth headset. I'm also a field warrior as well part of the time, so on-the-road audio is important to me and my callers.

The Blueparrott B450-XT is an amazing headset. Did I buy it at a truck stop? Yeah. But I've been on an audio call where I literally stood in front of a box fan with my face against the fan and nobody could hear the fan in the microphone at all. The noise cancellation on the mics is downright amazing and everyone heard me loud and clear over fans, datacenter environments, the works.

EamonnMR · 3 years ago
Seconding the magnetic adapters. I use one to quick switch my keyboard between my work mac and gaming machine.
eddieroger · 3 years ago
This is a real MVP of the work from home life. Some of them, like the Arctis I have, will present two devices to the computer, so you can have music playing quietly under a meeting, but still have voice for calls at a good quality and controlled independently.
spdionis · 3 years ago
Can you recommend some models for the gaming wireless headphones? Are you using Kleer?
vjk800 · 3 years ago
I've been thinking of buying a wireless gaming headset too. How good is the Linux support on the dongles?
modeless · 3 years ago
Perfect for mine. I think they usually don't need special drivers.
RobotToaster · 3 years ago
I use wired headphones (ATH-M50x) with a boom microphone cable, no worries about batteries or dongles.
mrguyorama · 3 years ago
But how do you get up and walk across your house to your fridge to get a snack in the middle of a meeting without missing any of the meeting?
garybake · 3 years ago
Magnetic USB cables are a godsend for young kids with tablets.
mikesholiu · 3 years ago
do you have a recommended brand/model?
modeless · 3 years ago
I'm using a SteelSeries Arctis 1 ($69) and I like it overall. Only minor flaws: the battery life is good but not exceptional (magnetic charging helps), the charge port is micro USB (despite the fact that the dongle is USB-C), the wireless range is good but not exceptional, the shape of the dongle is wide and tends to block nearby ports, but the biggest flaw is the power button which you have to hold down for an eternity to turn it on or off. Everything else about it (functionality, sound, comfort, reliability, compatibility, etc) is perfect for me.

If you want options, rtings.com does extremely detailed reviews with more quantitative information than you could ever reasonably apply to a purchasing decision.

fnomnom · 3 years ago
logitech g pro x wireless
zosoworld · 3 years ago
I swear by my Corsair Void Pro headset. I have recommended it endlessly and everyone is extremely happy. Good price (less than $100 usually), great battery, great sound, the mic mutes itself if you flip it up... Best thing is that they are quite hackable, and when the battery life starts decreasing you can just change it for a bigger LiPo and be done with it.
dzhiurgis · 3 years ago
Using laptop mic’s fixes bluetooth issue and massively improves audio quality
ejolto · 3 years ago
Then it sounds like you are playing the bongos if you type during a meeting.
vbarrielle · 3 years ago
Really depends on the laptop. On my work laptop, the microphone is located next to the fans (instead of for instance next to the webcam). You can imagine the audio quality.
modeless · 3 years ago
Yeah it's better than Bluetooth but a mic next to your mouth works far better than a mic in your laptop no matter how good it is.
romanhn · 3 years ago
After working for almost 3 years with a barebones work-from-home setup (standup desk + laptop), I finally invested recently in some equipment to improve upon my crappy laptop camera and a room with little natural light. The difference in my video call quality is night and day. This is what I got:

  - A key light (Godox ES45) to throw a bunch of bright, natural white light at my face. Attached to the desk and positioned tilted above my head so that it doesn't blind me. I don't notice it when it's on.

  - A mic (Razer Seiren Mini) on a boom arm attached to the desk, positioned above my face, just out of the camera's sight. Nice, clean sound. Would sound even better if I were speaking directly into it, but I don't like having the mic visible.

  - Repurposed an old mirrorless camera (Sony RX100 III) into a webcam for that sweet HD quality. Way better than any of the webcams out there. Needed to buy a cam link 4K card and connect it via a MicroHDMI <-> HDMI cable. Required a dummy battery kit to connect to AC and some setting tweaking, but it works beautifully. Connected the camera to the key light stand with a clamp mount.

Brajeshwar · 3 years ago
Yes, I love this. Most people don't realize this setup but I feel it is very important. I have a normal soft & warm light (not flat white) that I can flick quickly (point upwards that bounced off the walls). An additional flood light in stand-by for interviews and other more important meetings.

A well mounted setup with a dedicated microphone is a time saver and no brainer. I'm not too keen on the video and think is lesser important than audio but have been thinking on that too. I invested in an extended mount for a separate display, mic, and lights. I has paid off pretty well.

n0zmer · 3 years ago
I didn't realize how much a difference the lighting makes until I got one. I got the Google dLight and it has both brightness and warmness sliders and can change it from computer or app (and has profiles) so it's really convenient.
linsomniac · 3 years ago
I got a Seeed ReSpeaker mic array and have been really happy with it. At first it wasn't working at all, but then I did a firmware update on it and it's been great since. It's a 4 mic array with speaker output, and it does some fancy processing to remove the output played from the speakers and uses the 4 mics to detect voice location and "zoom in" on it.

I went from terrible echoy voice to rock solid.

Then I got a 16" MBP, which is what I mostly use now for video conferences because I upgraded my Linux work laptop and switched to Wayland and can no longer do screen sharing.

https://www.seeedstudio.com/ReSpeaker-USB-Mic-Array-p-4247.h...

mikeevans · 3 years ago
Can you provide some more details about what you needed to do to set up your RX100 III? I have the same camera and would love to do the same.
romanhn · 3 years ago
Sure thing. Here are the specific items I ended up with:

  - Cam link 4K card: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B09XXBTBYB
  - Dummy battery kit: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B078PDCF7D
  - Micro HDMI cable: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B08C2QMT4R
In terms of camera settings, I think the main ones were switching the file format to XAVC and turning off the display icons so they don't show when I'm on video. Might be worth going through https://www.sony.com/electronics/support/articles/00245829 and trying a bunch of these, even though the page is not exactly for the same camera.

After that just plug it in and it's recognized as a USB camera. One other thing I ran into was the camera kept losing settings after being turned off. Turns out there is an internal battery that got discharged after years of non-use. I think I used a micro USB cable with a running camera to get it juiced up.

Good luck!

red-iron-pine · 3 years ago
> - A key light (Godox ES45) to throw a bunch of bright, natural white light at my face. Attached to the desk and positioned tilted above my head so that it doesn't blind me. I don't notice it when it's on.

I found a sunlamp aimed away or behind something helped me a lot. So much so that I got one of those kitchen countertop hydroponic kits that's time to go off usually when I start work.

The sunlamp + morning coffee perk me right up. Plus herbs and stuff.

gannonburgett · 3 years ago
Unfortunately the RX100MIII isn’t supported, but the Mark IV and over 30 other Sony cameras work with its [Imaging Edge Webcam utility](https://support.d-imaging.sony.co.jp/app/webcam/en/) so you can use the camera directly as a webcam without the need for a capture card or HDMI cable.
pimlottc · 3 years ago
I tried using this for a while on my Mac and while it generally works, it just wasn’t reliable enough. Sometimes the camera wouldn’t turn on automatically or it would claim to be in use by another process. It’s also not supported in all programs, and even when it is, it can be a pain to switch cameras due to UI annoyances.

In short, your webcam is one of those things that really needs to work 100% or it’ll end up causing problems at exactly the wrong time. No one wants to have to fiddle with the camera during an important meeting.

romanhn · 3 years ago
That's right, this was a bummer to find out
jedberg · 3 years ago
> Would sound even better if I were speaking directly into it, but I don't like having the mic visible.

I've found that the sound is better if I keep it off to the side out of frame instead of above. Especially if you have the setting to make it directional and aim it towards your mouth. You can speak directly to the camera and it picks it up.

Cerium · 3 years ago
I keep mine down and to the right. About 8 inches from my face. Sounds good and stays out of frame since my camera is a little above eye level.
romanhn · 3 years ago
Interesting. I tested out a bunch of positions before landing on the current one, but I'll go ahead and try to replicate this. Thanks!
illwrks · 3 years ago
If you can, sit at a south facing window for natural light, you can also buy a flexible wire rimmed light diffuser used for photography. If you can get the right diffuser for your window frame it should flex into the frame and stay in place (unless the window is open and it cat he's the wind!)
wink · 3 years ago
The problem is that all the old digital cameras I have at hand are either too old or not high-price-segment enough to support any sort of looping video through, which is a shame. I have 2-3 of those and while they're not awesome, the video would totally beat every laptop webcam...
rldjbpin · 3 years ago
you're ready to twitch stream at this rate!
hipplec · 3 years ago
I have a heating pad under my keyboard which keeps my hands warm in the winter. Was like $20 on amazon, and I can't even begin to describe how amazing it is, since I was really tired of always having a mug of hot water / tea / coffee to hold and didn't want to keep the heat on my house super high when I could just wear a sweatshirt and be fine except my fingers.
cheriot · 3 years ago
I have an older laptop and user Docker for Mac daily. My fingers never get cold!
bdg · 3 years ago
Put a few slices of bacon under the macbook and you even have breakfast.
brigandish · 3 years ago
Try out Colima[0]. I saw someone else mention it on here a few months ago and thought to try it and it's been very good. I did encounter my first problem yesterday so I have moved back to Docker Desktop for now but even if it only worked half the time I'd still suggest it, the memory usage is under a quarter of Docker's offering!

[0] https://github.com/abiosoft/colima

mystickphoenix · 3 years ago
Another thing to try is podman. I run it on my mac and my mac is no longer trying to fly away on the strength of the cooling fans alone.

Podman used to be a bit rough on mac but it's gotten significantly better, especially with podman-desktop. docker-compose even works with it as it does something on the backend to swap out the docker socket. I wouldn't recommend doing podman-compose as it looks to be mostly unmaintained? Or at least no new releases have been cut in a couple of years.

Sakos · 3 years ago
I've started wearing arthritis compression gloves when my hands are cold while using my PC. Colleague suggested the idea and it's been great.
Arkanosis · 3 years ago
Same here! I have no arthritis of any kind, but these are very thin gloves that do not get in the way when typing (unlike most other gloves) and still make a huge difference wrt cold hands. Got two additional pairs for my parents; they love them as much as I do.
barbs · 3 years ago
Reminds me of this 2010 article: "micro heaters cut 87% off my electric heat bill"

https://www.richsoil.com/electric-heat.jsp

JKCalhoun · 3 years ago
Several of you would seem to enjoy a Kotatsu:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kotatsu

heavyset_go · 3 years ago
Mini heaters are great, the portable ones I have make winter bearable.

But as far as I know, using heat lamps directly in your face can be a bad idea because they can emit IR radiation that can harm your eyes, cause cataracts, etc.

edit: it's actually just a normal lightbulb, nevermind

ulrikrasmussen · 3 years ago
Why have I never thought of this? I get really cold hands in the winter to the point where I have to take very frequent breaks from typing because my fingers freeze up. I'll definitely get one!
prox · 3 years ago
What kind of helps since we all needs breaks for the keyboard every hour anyway is to do clasp your hands and bring your arms up above you and do some movements like turning. Alternatively do some lifts with weights as well for more strengthening and extra bloodflow.
Brajeshwar · 3 years ago
Is there a device that does the opposite -- something to keep your hand cool? It is getting hotter and sweaty in India.
noduerme · 3 years ago
when I lived in Vietnam years ago, my Mac laptop fan broke and there was nowhere to repair it ... there are cooling pads with fans beneath them that you can buy, but my temporary solution was freezing a stack of Wired magazines in the freezer, then putting them under the laptop and changing them every 20 minutes.
themodelplumber · 3 years ago
I use a USB fan and a small mister/spray bottle of water. I spray my forearms periodically (top of hands are fine too I guess) and this creates more of a cooling effect from the fan.

It's also nice to have a wet cooling towel for the neck, I find...I tried one of those dual neck-mount fans as well, and while it wasn't bad, when it broke I didn't feel it was good enough to replace.

There are lots of whole-body tricks as well, from extra hydration (at least 100 oz. daily here in summer) to sitting on a cushion with more air flow...good luck.

bhy · 3 years ago
Yes. The keywords are "semiconductor cooling pad" or "thermoelectric cooling pad".
capableweb · 3 years ago
Back when I was younger and lived in a hot place, I removed one of my chassi fans and put it next to my keyboard instead. Cheap and worked wonders.
flir · 3 years ago
One of those gel wrist rests, with added cooling, would be perfect. Lots of bloodflow just under the surface of the skin there. Would adding Peltier modules be a practical solution?
otterdude · 3 years ago
you mean a fan?
newsclues · 3 years ago
Bucket of cold water for your feet
yodsanklai · 3 years ago
When I was a kid, I used the power transformer of my C64 to warm up my feet
elric · 3 years ago
I still do that. Only it's not a C64, but rather the power brick to my TB4 dock.

That, and I have a small infrared panel mounted under the desk, which can keep my thighs nice and toasty in winter.

rymawby · 3 years ago
This is a genius idea. I’ve been using fingerless gloves. Is there anything in particular to look for when buying one?
andrenotgiant · 3 years ago
I used this one through this winter and it worked fine: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09C5LQ86D/

I'd just look for what people say in the bad reviews. I generally use mine on the lowest temps, 80 or 90. I don't know what kind of maniac would use them at the higher temps. Every time I turn it on I have to press the button to cycle through the temperatures, a mild annoyance but NBD. It automatically turns off after a few hours which is a feature, not a bug. It used to be that I'd sit down at my desk and my hands would never warm up, now they warm up from the mat and stay warm even after the thing turns off.

kjs3 · 3 years ago
I'm guessing you want one with a low enough temp setting that it doesn't bake your keyboard. Around 80-90F degrees I'd guess, but haven't tested. Especially important if you have a 'smart' keyboard, which has an actual small computer (more than an i8048) in it.
hibbelig · 3 years ago
Could someone provide some link or picture? I struggle with cold hands and I have no idea what to look for :-(
bentcorner · 3 years ago
I don't use a heating pad but I use a pair of fingerless gloves for this. They're nothing fancy, something like this: https://www.amazon.com/Finger-Touchscreen-Stretchy-Mittens-F...
framecycle · 3 years ago
I have a heated mouse specifically for this same issue. Was experiencing arthritic symptoms in my fingers and tied it back to my extremities getting cold while working. There looks to be only one company that makes a heated mouse, if they ever fold up shop I don't know what I'll do.
morninglight · 3 years ago
Any inexpensive heating pad will work, but there are some things to look out for. Use a few Velcro adhesive dots to keep the pad from moving around on your desk. You will probably need to put a piece of stiff cardboard over the pad since most mice need a very flat surface. Choose a pad that allows you to conveniently adjust the heat. Cover the mouse and your hand with a towel, but be aware that its easy to let the mouse get too warm. Look for a pad with "auto-shutoff". A cheap mouse may stop working if it gets too hot, but let it cool down and it should start working again in a few minutes. My shop is typically about 55 deg F in the winter but this makes it very comfortable to use a mouse. I've done this for many years and never killed a mouse.
dzhiurgis · 3 years ago
I’ve ordered something similar but 12V for car - I find my feet freeze on longer trips and esp so since I like driving barefeet

Cars come with heated seats, steering, armrests, mirrors, wipers - why not mats?

thealienthing · 3 years ago
I do this but for my feet. They’re always wrapped up nice and toasty under my desk because I have poor circulation in my hands and feet. It’s very nice ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
ridgered4 · 3 years ago
Interesting idea, I have the same problem with cold hands. I currently wear finger-less wool gloves but it isn't a perfect solution either.
sitkack · 3 years ago
I have this same thing except to put my feet on, I can stay nice and warm while the house is at 15C. Nice touch using it as a desk mat as well.
j45 · 3 years ago
Mine died in 6 months of light use, looking for a better one. They work well on the floor too if you have a basement.
swah · 3 years ago
Good idea - although you can always put more socks, a boot, etc. Thats why the hands are so hard, because you need mobility for working.

You know who won't complain when winter arrives? ChatGPT...

akvadrako · 3 years ago
I use a tabletop infrared lamp for this.
cushychicken · 3 years ago
I have a floor heating pad for my feet that I love for the same reason.
anotheruser13 · 3 years ago
Good idea! Fingerless gloves are sub-optimal.
sideshowb · 3 years ago
Ooi how much power do they consume?
ja27 · 3 years ago
I wouldn't have thought they were lesser-known, but I've been surprised how many people don't know about today's cheap portable external monitors. They're essentially laptop panels with a USB-C+HDMI board. $100-$150-ish and easily found in 15.6" and 13-14", 1080p or 2K. All the ones I've tried have 2 USB-C ports, mini-HDMI, and speakers. This all depends on what USB-C ports your machine actually has and the right USB-C cables, but a single cable can do power and display from the laptop. Or plug the monitor into USB-C PD source and the same cable will charge the laptop and run the monitor. Mine even has a third USB-C "OTG" port for USB 2.0 speed devices. Good for a second screen on the go or debugging single board computers.
sotix · 3 years ago
I’m surprised no one has mentioned repurposed iPad screens[0]. I just received mine, and it’s fairly nice given the price. It uses a 4:3 aspect ratio, but that’s fine for secondary content when working on my laptop. It also works great for retro gaming as indicated in the link I shared. I only wish it were in the original iPad case and I could use an iPad stand. As it is, it’s housed in a photo frame with cutouts for the new buttons. I selected the USB C option for mine, which is how I connect it to my laptop. Very happy for $80.

[0] https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?t=3373

theshrike79 · 3 years ago
I've wanted one for gaming on the go with the Switch and Steam Deck, but couldn't really justify the purchase.

...but if I can pretend I use it as a second monitor for work, then it's OK! :D

bierjunge · 3 years ago
I've got a Lenovo Yoga Tab 13 (https://www.amazon.de/Lenovo-2160x1350-WideView-Tablet-PC-Sn...) for "development" purposes. It's a nice tablet with 2k screen and enough power for pretty much everything, Android 13 and the killer feature for me: a micro-HDMI input. It works like a charm with MacOs/Linux as a second screen, but you can also connect a Switch or SteamDeck, grab a controller and you can play everywhere on a 13' screen.
pabloescobyte · 3 years ago
What is the contrast/brightness like with these? I've always wanted one for working with two screens on the go but the ones I've seen in public never seemed to get bright enough.

In a cafe or other bright environment they seem to reflect everything around them similar to the way my MacBook screen does which makes it hard to see anything.

I'm speaking only from limited time seeing them from afar though--I've not actually sat in front of one to use or test out in person.

Rediscover · 3 years ago
You might be interested in a "field monitor" over in the photography department, though they are often small.

I have a 2200 nit (not a typo) piece of kit: Feelworld P7, very sturdy aluminum body, either camcorder batteries (multiple sleds) or 7-24V, 1920x1200 7" screen, HDMI in & out. Works well. I've seen larger displays.

Molomby · 3 years ago
It's bad. I have a ASUS MB16AHP (claiming a brightness of 220cd/㎡, contrast ratio 700:1) and yeah, in a brightly lit room viewing can be difficult. It's ok under normal office lighting but you'll be out of luck if you have sunlight flooding in. I've been searching for a brighter option but most (all?) the current offerings seem to be based on the same or similar internals.

Still, it's a useful device while traveling – nice to be able to plop a decent multi-monitor setup out of a backpack. My model also has a micro HDMI port (and an internal battery) which can be handy if you need a temporary screen for a Raspberry Pi or a machine that usually runs headless.

teetertater · 3 years ago
Do you have a specific model you can recommend? I searched a brighter one out especially (300 nits), read reviews, etc. Paid 200€. What I got absolutely sucks, definitely not 300 nits, glitches half the time I try to use it, doesn't remember my settings. When I finally got around to return it, I discovered the company no longer exists lol.
ja27 · 3 years ago
The one I use now is branded YGG. I'd link it but someone already swapped out the Amazon listing to a different model. I think this is very close to what I have: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B099DKQS8C/

It claimed 350 nits. Side-by-side with my M1 MBP, I'd say it might be close to that. A lot of them claim HDR but it's some bullshit definition of HDR - definitely not like the MBP's HDR mode.

I think it's a little bit of a crapshoot as to which panel and board you'll get no matter what the branding so somewhere like Amazon with free returns helps. There are a few more premium brands like Viewsonic and Lenovo.

theshrike79 · 3 years ago
This seems to be one of the categories where there are 42 different "companies" selling 2-3 actual products just with different branding.
hurflmurfl · 3 years ago
For people complaining about ASUS offering - it did look bad on paper with it's crappy latency and even crappier brightness, so I never pulled trigger on one. I did find some decent options on Ali Express, though.

Got 2 monitors from there - one 15 inch and one 17 inch. Both run in 2k 120Hz. Brightness is OK, never had a problem in a brightly lit room, but I have not tried them out in the sun, like for "working on the beach" type of situation.

When not traveling, I use the smaller one on a VESA arm (the smaller one has screw holes) in vertical orientation for extra screen space next to my 4k larger monitor. And I use the larger portable monitor for sheet music on my piano (connected to Raspberry Pi).

Ordered both from "HDHIFI Store", pretty happy so far.

aceazzameen · 3 years ago
The wireless second screen feature on Samsung tablets works surprisingly well on Windows for this too! I haven't found the need to use it much though. I don't really bring a laptop when I travel anymore.
dehugger · 3 years ago
I use two 13" 2k monitors underneath a 34" ultrawide. I absolutely love them
arvinsim · 3 years ago
I think the reason why is that not many mainstream manufacturers are creating them.

From the top of my head, I only know ASUS.

ja27 · 3 years ago
Viewsonic too. Lenovo has some nice looking ones.
sails · 3 years ago
I tried the ASUS ZenScreen MB16ACE and the quality/resolution/rendering was bad compared to a Macbook screen, I returned it straight away.
Hardwired8976 · 3 years ago
Dell has some too
mncharity · 3 years ago
I've enjoyed magnetic usb c adapters (20 pin - I've not tried a newer 24 pin adapter).

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rldjbpin · 3 years ago
as a laptop user due to portability constraints, i definitely get their appeal, especially the ones that make a three-screen setup. but they are still a bit too pricey for my tastes and fiddly with the cables.
KenArrari · 3 years ago
A lot of tablets also let you use them as second screens!
haunter · 3 years ago
An Elgato Stream Deck but for general purposes https://www.elgato.com/en/stream-deck-mk2 Basically imagine having 15 physical buttons to use with any kind of actions, shortcuts, macros etc. but you have a visual feedback too. It’s pretty great! I know there are alternatives like the Adafruit RP2040 https://www.adafruit.com/product/5128 but the visual knobs make the Stream Deck much better imo.
thiht · 3 years ago
I have a small Stream Deck (6 buttons), and although I don't have a lot of inspiration, I found a few really useful use cases:

- global mute button (plugin Audio Mute). This is amazing and the most useful action I've setup.

- screenshot tool. I'm on a Mac and always forget the combination for opening the capture tool, so a physical button is nice to have

- iTerm button. It just opens a terminal, or make it appear if there's already one open.

- clock, because when using fullscreen mode, macOS doesn't show the clock

- weather, because it's cool

- specific to iTerm: a "split vertically" button, because after years of use, I can't remember how to split iTerm

- specific to Firefox: a macro to write this text "-method:OPTIONS domain:xxx.com" because I'm tired of typing it again and again in the network devtools filters

hn92726819 · 3 years ago
> global mute button

Is this different than the system mute button next to volume up and down?

> iTerm: a "split vertically" button

FYI: you can customize your own shortcuts. I use i3 on linux, so I bound my split and movement keys in iterm to be the same as my Linux ones

cal85 · 3 years ago
I bought one of these a couple of years ago with plans to use it for macros, shortcuts etc, but gave up using it because I found the system for writing your own plugins and generally configuring it was beyond awful, it felt like a designed-by-committee horror show. The complexity to just just set the button image and make it run a bash script when pressed was insane.

But I really wanted it to work, I can think of tons of useful buttons I want to have on my desk. Maybe I will give it another try. Can you tell me, have you got any tips, found any good third party tools for working with it? Maybe I just went down the wrong rabbit holes.

victorbjorklund · 3 years ago
Are you using a mac? If so then the perfect combo is streamdeck + keyboard maestro. There are several great plugins for streamdeck that makes it easy to run keyboard maestro automations
haunter · 3 years ago
tbh I didn’t have a problem with the official Windows app so I can’t say anything about that much

But under Linux I used this

https://timothycrosley.github.io/streamdeck-ui/

Works pretty well by my experience under Debian. There are some edge cases like Wayland (see the issues) though.

genericacct · 3 years ago
I use a combination of a usb joypad + a 50 line C app for a similar effect
bentcorner · 3 years ago
I was looking at getting one but couldn't stomach the price for an unknown benefit since I wasn't sure if I'd use it.

I ended up using Touch Portal[1] and put a phone on an old stand, and it pretty much does everything I want to do. Integrates with teams with mic on/off, hand raise, and reactions, and I created some nice graphs for cpu/gpu/disk load and a UTC clock for when I'm not in a meeting. Desktop app is free and phone app is like $13 or so. Works on Windows/MacOS and Linux support is apparently coming.

It's probably clunkier than a Stream Deck but it's a fraction of the price.

[1] https://www.touch-portal.com/

blahlabs · 3 years ago
I use a Stream Deck daily to control AV production gear using BitFocus Companion (https://bitfocus.io/companion). I am constantly surprised at the range of supported equipment.

Complex operations that used to take three people can be done by a single person.

For a basic example:

Audio operator fades out background music and brings up video playback audio channels Lighting operator puts lighting into video state Video operator switches from holding slide input on screen to video playback input

Is now one button. Same equipment, same production value. One button. Boop. Go.

Admittedly it takes some additional configuration time, but for something like a roadshow where it is the same sequence of actions every day it ends up being a great time saver.

PurpleRamen · 3 years ago
Stream Deck can indeed be nice, but it entirely depends on the environment on what you make of it. With windows the official software is very well-equipped with all kind of integrations and plugins, making good use of the abilities. Under linux, not so much, you are mostly on your own with quirky tools.

That said, if you can't make good use of the display anyway, then you can also just take a normal keyboard or numpad and remap the keys. There is some software around for this, or just write your own hacky script. Repurposing old hardware is such an overlooked solution.

spoiler · 3 years ago
I was thinking of doing something similar, but was never sure what to use that many keys for. Can you provide a photo or list a few examples of what you're doing with yours? Thanks!
BunnyOSteele · 3 years ago
I use the JIRA Plugin to have various open issues/tasks/bugs visible. With API Plugins you can send requests, integrate Gitlab/Github. Have a look at https://apps.elgato.com/plugins?categories=com.elgato.develo... for Developer Tools. With the bunch of plugins from BarRaider you can control window layout etc.
user3939382 · 3 years ago
I mapped all my IDE’s debug buttons to it, I could never go back. Debugging by hitting sequences of 3 button hotkeys isn’t fun and there’s no alternative without a collision.
ainiriand · 3 years ago
You mean like F7, F8, and F9 in IntelliJ?
toyg · 3 years ago
If you don't care about lcd icons (you can use self-printed ones anyway on transparent caps), there are loads of cheap programmable keypads on AliExpress, some with knobs, some with bluetooth, most with color lcd. The configuration software is not great, but in most cases you'll only have to suffer through that only once or twice. All for a very small fraction of ElGatos.
swah · 3 years ago
You are talking about the Macropads right? I wish they could send custom printed keycaps together with it. Would be a good compromise for no LCD ;)
jwr · 3 years ago
I used a Stream Deck XL for a long time, mostly as an app launcher, but the most useful feature was a "universal MUTE key". I used Keyboard Maestro to set up macros that would mute/unmute the microphone in any videoconferencing app, with the same physical key that also indicated the current status. This worked for Zoom, GoToMeeting and Google Meet.

I sold the Stream Deck XL for two reasons: I didn't need that many keys, and I found out that if you are to use a device like this at home and in the office, you really need two. The setup needs to be the same in all your work places, otherwise you won't bother learning to use the accessory.

As for some other less typical accessories: I use a 3DConnexion SpaceMouse and can't imagine doing any 3D CAD work without it.

Oh, also: for many years now all my monitors are on arms. The supplied stands are always too low, and arm mounting has the additional advantage of freeing up lots of space on the desk.

Does a 16-port USB-A hub count? (in addition to the CalDigit thunderbolt dock)

sokoloff · 3 years ago
Came to search for Spacemouse. Even as a fairly casual Fusion360 user, that was a great purchase.
shmoogy · 3 years ago
I upgraded from regular stream deck to the XL and haven't used a lot of the space yet. The folder actions really make it unnecessary for me - but I still love it
Pyrodogg · 3 years ago
By far my most used actions for triggering Dell Display Manager to switch my monitor inputs. I don't have a full kvm set-up (separate keyboard, mouse but shared monitor) for my home desktop, work laptop.

I also have media control buttons to control music playing on my desktop throughout the day without having to toggle the monitor. A mute button to silence things for calls is also frequently used.

Finally, extra buttons to toggle some smart lights if I need to override some pre-programmed schedule.

Other than that, It's been a bit of overkill.

kukkeliskuu · 3 years ago
I got Stream Deck mainly to control Teams on my work computer, which is Windows 10. Teams does not have global hotkey for mute and video toggle (or on/off) and that would be compatible with the status. (You can use Windows global mute and control video, but that status is not updated if you use Teams mute). The Teams video conference must be active for the mute button to work. The whole point of seperate keyboard is that I don't need to switch to the application. So I never got this to work well enough.
omnibrain · 3 years ago
Microsoft recently (~6 weeks ago) released a Microsoft Teams Plugin for the Streamdeck. It uses an API instead of hotkeys and so far it works for me.

https://apps.elgato.com/plugins/com.microsoft.teams

schneems · 3 years ago
What buttons/actions do you commonly use?

I got one to play the DJ air horn sound effect in meetings but between google hangouts, my m2 xlr device, and the stream deck something doesn’t work quite right.

janci · 3 years ago
I used to have a control panel [1] with physical switches for various tasks on my desk. I built it mainly to switch between multiple VPNs and switch bluetooth audio mode between high-quality unidirectional A2DP and low-quality bidirectional HSP for meetings, mounting network drives.

But once I moved from XFCE/xubuntu to KDE (on gentoo, later opensuse), I noticed I don't need it anymore. Bluetooth switching works automatically and NetworkManager has nice widget, SMB/SFTP works out of box.

Now it become a toy space rocket control panel for my kids.

[1] https://tomas.janco.link/projects/?control-panel.html

kickaha · 3 years ago
How does this have no replies? So effing cool.

When your kids get tired of it, can I buy it?

measure2xcut1x · 3 years ago
Rearview mirror at the top of my 52" curved widescreen monitor. I work at home in limited space with family around and there's always activity behind me, doors opening, etc. I also work with noise cancelling headphones. Hard to explain why, but the mirror stops my constant need to turn around to figure out what's happening. It took me a minute to hang, with fishing line and zip-ties. Way less cognitive overhead and fewer self-made interruptions since implementing this. $13 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08MFD7BT7
red-iron-pine · 3 years ago
+1.

I've got a simple bike rear-view mirror, like $10 off of amazon. has a clip on thing, fits fine on my monitor stand.

Same goal -- I've got big ear covering headphones w/ noise cancelling, so you feel crazy isolated and it's hard to tell if/when people, my kids, the dog, etc. is around until basically they're on top of you.

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pedrovhb · 3 years ago
Oh boy, I found/invented a tweak that I can't live without anymore. I use an MX Ergo trackball, not sure how it'd fare on a mouse, but here are the magic runes:

    xinput set-prop <mouse device id> "libinput Scroll Method Enabled" 0 0 1
    xinput set-prop <mouse device id> "libinput Button Scrolling Button" 8
Where you'd change 8 to a chosen mouse button and the mouse device id to its appropriate value from `xinput list`.

What this does is make it so that as long as that button is being held, moving the cursors scrolls instead. It's hard to describe how much better of n experience it is vs. using the scroll wheel. It's much faster, much more precise, and less finger-tiring.

Here's a gist of the Python script I use to set it up - https://gist.github.com/pedrovhb/41e9d5b7b7b5c13fe2c94aa4cee...

pronik · 3 years ago
If I understand you correctly, this is exactly how Trackpoints have been scrolling for decades -- hold the middle button and move the pointer.
_def · 3 years ago
wow that's neat! I use and love the same device and while it feels a bit odd at first it also feels better than using the scroll wheel. btw in case anyone wants to try a different button (8 is "Page back") you can use `xinput test <device id>` to listen to events and see which number each button is. Good news: it seems like the Back button still works when using this. Thanks!

edit:

Putting this in ~/.xsessionrc seems to work fine for me on Ubuntu:

xinput set-prop "pointer:Logitech MX Ergo" "libinput Button Scrolling Button" 8

xinput set-prop "pointer:Logitech MX Ergo" "libinput Scroll Method Enabled" 0 0 1

pedrovhb · 3 years ago
Nice, using "pointer:Logitech MX Ergo" beats my hacky regex. Thanks!
unraveller · 3 years ago
X-Mouse for windows lets you do this and it's a godsend for RSI since most mouse manufacturers have a heavy trigger weight on the middle mouse click for some reason. There is also scrollAnywhere browser extension for similar thing.