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ColinWright · 2 months ago
The paper says:

"What did appear as a challenge, though, was a physical realization of such an object. The second author built a model (now lost) from lead foil and finely-split bamboo, which appeared to tumble sequentially from one face, through two others, to its final resting position."

I have that model ... Bob Dawson and I built it together while we were at Cambridge. Probably I should contact him.

The paper is here: https://arxiv.org/abs/2506.19244

The content in HTML is here: https://arxiv.org/html/2506.19244v1

s4mbh4 · 2 months ago
Would be awesome to see some pictures!
ColinWright · 2 months ago
seniortaco · 2 months ago
I wouldn't really call this a "shape" since the highly manipulated center of mass is what is actually doing the work here. I would call this an object or rigid body.
hinkley · 2 months ago
It’s both. To work you need a polyhedron constructed of a series of polygons, here triangles, and one of those triangles has to have its center of mass outside the base of the object in all orientations. Otherwise the weight will pin it down instead of tilt it over.

That’s why in the one orientation it tips back before tipping sideways: the center of mass is inside the footprint of right edge of the tetrahedron but not the back edge. So it tips back, which then narrows the base enough for it to tip over to the right and settle.

jrowen · 2 months ago
The article does a good job of explaining that it's still a non-trivial problem even if you are allowed to distribute the weight unevenly, but I do agree that what is happening here is much more specific than a "shape," which is simply geometry without any density information.

Put another way, most things precisely constructed with that same exact shape (of the outer hull, which is usually what is meant by shape) would not exhibit this property.

kamel3d · 2 months ago
A ball that has a weight attached to one point from the inside would always land on that side, it's the same thing, right?
naikrovek · 2 months ago
I agree with you.
kazinator · 2 months ago
This is categorically different from the Gömböc, because it doesn't have uniform density. Most of its mass is concentrated in the base plate.
JKCalhoun · 2 months ago
Wild prices for gömböcs on Amazon.
MPSimmons · 2 months ago
Nevermark · 2 months ago
> This tetrahedron, which is mostly hollow and has a carefully calibrated center of mass

Uniform density isn't an issue for rigid bodies.

If you make sure the center of mass is in the same place, it will behave the same way.

kazinator · 2 months ago
If the constraints are that an object has to be of uniform density, convex, and not containing any voids, then you cannot choose where its centre of mass will be, other than by changing it shape.

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ErigmolCt · 2 months ago
Conway casually tossing out the idea, and then 60 years later someone actually builds it... that's peak math storytelling.
KevinCarbonara · 2 months ago
Reminds me of when Mendeleev argued that an element that had just been discovered was wrong, and that the guy who discovered it didn't know what he was talking about, because Mendeleev had already imagined that same element, and it had different properties. Mendeleev turned out to be right.
ChuckMcM · 2 months ago
Worst D-4 ever! But more seriously, I wonder how closely you could get to an non-uniform mass polyhedra which had 'knife edge' type balance. Which is to say;

1) Construct a polyhedra with uneven weight distribution which is stable on exactly two faces.

2) Make one of those faces much more stable than the other, so if it is on the limited stability face and disturbed, it will switch to the high stability face.

A structure like that would be useful as a tamper detector.

ortusdux · 2 months ago
You jest, but I knew a DND player with a dice addicting that loved showing off his D-1 Mobius strip dice - https://www.awesomedice.com/products/awd101?variant=45578687...

For some reason he did not like my suggestion that he get a #1 billard ball.

lloeki · 2 months ago
There's a link to a D2, where prior to clicking I was thinking "well that's a coin, right?" until I realised a coin is technically a (very biased) D3.
gerdesj · 2 months ago
Love it - any sphere will do.

A ping pong ball would be great - the DM/GM could throw it at a player for effect without braining them!

(billiard)

robocat · 2 months ago
That's like saying a donut only has one side.

The linked die seems similar to this: https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/d1-one-sided-die which seems adjacent to a Möbius strip but kinda isn't because the loop is not made of a two sided flat strip. https://wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%B6bius_strip

Might be an Umbilic torus: https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Umbilic_torus

The word side is unclear.

MPSimmons · 2 months ago
I've always seen a D1 as a bingo ball...
schiffern · 2 months ago

  >useful as a tamper detector
If anyone's actually looking for this, check out tilt and shock indicators made for fragile packages.

https://www.uline.com/Cls_10/Damage-Indicators

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9hHHt-S9kY

nvalis · 2 months ago
If it's about intrusion detection of packaged goods lentils, beans or rice are very useful [0]. Cheap but great tamper detection.

[0]: https://dys2p.com/en/2021-12-tamper-evident-protection.html

p0w3n3d · 2 months ago
These shock watches and tilt watchers are quite expensive. I wonder how much must be the package worth to be feasible to use this kind of protection
cbsks · 2 months ago
The keyword is "mono-monostatic", and the Gömböc is an example of a non-polyhedra one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6mb%C3%B6c

Here's a 21 sided mono-monostatic polyhedra: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2103.13727v2

ChuckMcM · 2 months ago
Okay, I love this so much :-). Thanks for that.
jacquesm · 2 months ago
Earthquake detector?
jayd16 · 2 months ago
I imagine a dowel that is easily tipped over fits your description but I must be missing something.
tlb · 2 months ago
If you're not limited to a polyhedron, a thin rod standing on end does the job.

A rod would fall over with a big clatter and bounce a few times. I wonder if there's a bistable polyhedron where the transition would be smooth enough that it wouldn't bounce. The original gomboc seemed to have its CG change smoothly enough that it wouldn't bounce under normal gravity.

ErigmolCt · 2 months ago
Sort of like a mechanical binary state that passively "remembers" if it's been jostled
gus_massa · 2 months ago
A solid tall cone is quite similar to what you want. I guess it can be tweaked to get a polyhedra.
ChuckMcM · 2 months ago
So a cone sitting on its circular base is maximally stable, what position do you put the cone into that is both stable, and if it gets disturbed, even slightly, it reverts to sitting on its base?
MPSimmons · 2 months ago
A weeble-wobble
Evidlo · 2 months ago
> A structure like that would be useful as a tamper detector.

Why does it need to be a polyhedron?

ChuckMcM · 2 months ago
I was thinking exactly two stable states. Presumably you could have a sphere with the light end and heavy end having flats on them which might work as well. The tamper requirement I've worked with in the past needs strong guarantees about exactly two states[1] "not tampered" and "tampered". In any situation you'd need to ensure that the transition from one state to the other was always possible.

That was where my mind went when thinking about the article.

[1] The spec in question specifically did not allow for the situation of being in one state, and not being in that one state as the two states. Which had to do about traceability.

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eggy · 2 months ago
Great article!

The excitement kind of ebbed early on with seeing the video and realizing it had a plate/weight on one face.

"A few years later, the duo answered their own question, showing that this uniform monostable tetrahedron wasn’t possible. But what if you were allowed to distribute its weight unevenly?"

But the article progressed and mentioned John Conway, I was back!

K0balt · 2 months ago
Made me think of lander design. Recent efforts seem to have created a shape that always ends up on its side? XD
globular-toast · 2 months ago
Initially I thought it was unimpressive because of the plate. But then I thought about it a bit: a regular tetrahedron wouldn't do that no matter how heavy one of the faces was.
boznz · 2 months ago
maybe they should build moon landers this shape :-)
tgbugs · 2 months ago
That is indeed the example they mention in the paper https://arxiv.org/abs/2506.19244.
emporas · 2 months ago
They could do that, but a regular gomboc would be totally fine. There are no rules for spaceships that their corners cannot be rounded.

Maybe exoskeletons for turtles could be more useful. Turtles with their short legs, require the bottom of their shell to be totally flat, and a gomboc has no flat surface. Vehicles that drive on slopes could benefit from that as well.

nextaccountic · 2 months ago
Note that a turtle's shell already approximate a Gömböc shape (the curved self-righting shape discovered by the same mathematician in the linked article)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6mb%C3%B6c#Relation_to_a...

But yeah a specially designed exoskeleton could perform better, kinda like the prosthetics of Oscar Pistorious

voidUpdate · 2 months ago
> There are no rules for spaceships that their corners cannot be rounded

If the inside is pressurized, its even beneficial for it to be a rounded shape, since the sharp corners are more likely to fail

waste_monk · 2 months ago
>There are no rules for spaceships that their corners cannot be rounded.

Someone should write to UNOOSA and get this fixed up.

orbisvicis · 2 months ago
Per the article that's what they're working on, but it probably won't be based on tetrahedrons considering the density distribution. Might have curved surfaces.

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ErigmolCt · 2 months ago
"If tipped, will self-right" sounds like exactly the kind of feature you'd want on the Moon
shdon · 2 months ago
And for cows
weq · 2 months ago
Just need to apply this to a drone, and we would be one step closer to skynet. The props could retract into the body when it detects a collision or a fall.
mihaaly · 2 months ago
They will only need to ensure that the pointy end does not penetrate the soft surface too much on decent, becoming an eternal pole.
gerdesj · 2 months ago
Or aeroplanes. Not sure where you put the wings.

Why restrict yourself to the Moon?

Cogito · 2 months ago
Recent moonlanders have been having trouble landing on the moon. Some are just crashing, but tipping over after landing is a real problem too. Hence the joke above :)
tbeseda · 2 months ago
ErigmolCt · 2 months ago
The tetrahedron is basically the high-fashion Vans of the geometry world