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Posted by u/kiru_io 10 months ago
Show HN: Tinder, but to decide what to eatwhatdinner.com/...
Hello HN,

My girlfriend and I waste too much energy to decide what to eat. Every day, we would text each other, "what do we eat tonight" messages, and go over options and many times spend too much time on deciding. I am an indie dev and created this app to solve my own problem: decide with my girlfriend what to eat for dinner.

Initially, I created a simple app, in which we listed all the recipes we ever prepared, and it would propose randomly three of them. We would then choose together one of them. This app[0] turned into a tinder-like app, which would propose every day a set of recipes to my girlfriend and me - we would swipe and go for the first match.

If have some time, give it a try and feedback is very appreciated!

Cheers, Kiru

[0] https://apps.apple.com/us/app/meal-planner-dinner-ideas/id64...

juliushuijnk · 10 months ago
I work for a startup that provides meal plans. This and competing apps let you set requirements (kcal, intolerances, etc), also includes breakfast, etc. These apps are aimed at people that want to eat healthy and are looking for some inspiration.

You seem to go with user generated content, so the inspiration part is out, the health part is out, but you focus very much on the problem of forming a choice just for diner.

I do think this way your audience is huge, but the added value is a bit limited.

So you can decide to slowly move towards those other apps. Or, perhaps move away from it somehow. Maybe it's a generic tool to help you grow and maitain your relationship with your partner by providing tools that deal with each other preferences and choices within that relationship. Both practical and more emotional. But I guess I'm now more brainstorming :).

You can also just keep it small and have fun tinkering in a way that works for you. I read a comment:

> There are servers needed for the app to work, right? So I guess subscription makes sense?

Perhaps you don't really need servers. Keep the data just local on the app. Let people use regular chat for getting to a compromise. That way you could ask a one time fee of $5. It could be a (very) small passive income that doesn't require you much work, no moderation, no security risks.

Either way, good luck!

47282847 · 10 months ago
If you add machine learning to the mix like Tiktok, those that want healthy food will quickly end up with almost exclusively healthy recipes, and those that strongly prefer junk food will get their junk food. No need to programmatically take any of that into account besides time to swipe.
whiplash451 · 10 months ago
Great points. The health part can be incorporated back into the mix later as their app gets traction, as a subtle bias in the proposed choices and based on what they ate the previous days.
woodylondon · 10 months ago
I like the idea and face the same challenge. I’ve just installed it and, from my first impressions, it seemed a bit basic. Here’s what I expected:

Hundreds of recipes that I could swipe left and right through, allowing me to build up a typical selection of what I would usually eat. Instead, I was presented with only three choices, none of which I would generally consider.

A simple way to send the code to my wife — via imessage, Telegram, etc. Instead, I had to tell her in person! :)

This presents the perfect opportunity to delve into shopping lists where the wife wants something healthy, and the I crave a burger. I can think of quite a few features you could add if the app develops further.

Also, like the comment below about having a stranger over for dinner (not for dating purposes), it could involve a couple or someone visiting a new country who would appreciate a local showing them around and perhaps covering the dinner cost. Once the app learns your food preferences and interests, that could be quite exciting! There might already be an app that does this; I’m not sure. Swiping left and right on both food likes / dislikes and also general interests.

nirui · 10 months ago
If it's a recipe focused app, then maybe it should not be a "swipe daily" thing, as what's in the fridge right not maybe not matching what's on the phone, and it takes time and effort to buy and store food.

You probably need a food purchasing to-do list feature, and allow user to plan ahead of purchase.

But overall, it's a very nice idea with many potentials.

When I was little, the feeling of anticipating a good dinner always keeps me excited the entire day. Maybe this app can bring that feeling back.

kassner · 10 months ago
I had a stab at fixing the mismatch between fridge and database by allowing you to exclude recipes with a particular ingredient. Surely this type of filter can be incorporated into other recipe apps.

Check out the demo video in the README: https://github.com/kassner/whattocook

Kwpolska · 10 months ago
It would be useful to have some nuance. Some dishes don't work without an ingredient, whereas you can skip or substitute that same ingredient in other dishes.
emsign · 10 months ago
Why not both? See what others around you want to eat, swipe together, meet up with a stranger in a restaurant and eat together. Maybe get to know them, maybe not.
hansonkd · 10 months ago
I saw a startup recently doing this: https://timeleft.com

Matches you with 5 people to have dinner on wednesdays.

jorisboris · 10 months ago
Did that last week after a friend told me about it and I like these kind of random things

I’m new in town and was hoping to meet some fun people

Turns it there is an underlying intention of meeting potential dating material, as I matched up with 3 single women.

Being a married man I had an amazing evening and lots of fun discussing dating apps and dating life, though I’m not sure if the ladies would rate the evening equally successful given the absence of potential dating material …

moralestapia · 10 months ago
They charge a lot of money for that. DOA for me.
Miraltar · 10 months ago
That actually sounds great
lenerdenator · 10 months ago
Man, if it has the same success rate as Tinder did for me, I'm gonna starve.
moffkalast · 10 months ago
Living proof that not even a top tier sense of humor helps, haha.
aruametello · 10 months ago
I must say, coming from a bad "tinder date" in the weekend i just lol´d, thanks stranger.
gverrilla · 10 months ago
That's on you and/or the other person, not on tinder...
raylad · 10 months ago
The app is unusable to me because you have to pick three out of only four initial options, none of which appeal to me actually. Another problem is that the initial options don’t list ingredients, so it’s unclear whether they contain anything that the user may not want to eat.
tourmalinetaco · 10 months ago
You may prefer favorite picker: https://github.com/antialiasis/favorite-picker

Your comment made me remember of and realize this is basically the same thing, just presented differently and with the need to populate the entries yourself.

kassner · 10 months ago
I solved this problem with a different approach: computer tells you what to cook, period. It allows some variation given you might not have all the ingredients at home, but that’s about it. I made a AGPL project out of it, been using it for a year now, and it has been surprisingly helpful.

https://www.kassner.com.br/en/2023/09/21/what-to-cook-launch...https://github.com/kassner/whattocook

bromuro · 10 months ago
> computer tells you what to cook, period.

I like to do sports, I prefer my body and physical activities help me decide.

CrazyStat · 10 months ago
This is a cool idea.

Unfortunately I’m not going to pay $20/year to make deciding on dinner slightly easier. Sorry. I understand why people want subscriptions for recurring revenue. But I hate having dozens and dozens of subscriptions for niche services.

If this was like a $10 one time purchase I might go for it.

woadwarrior01 · 10 months ago
> $10 one time purchase

Author of a $10 one time purchase app here. People have been acclimatized to paying rent on apps for so long that I routinely get emails asking for a cheaper monthly option, because $10 is too steep. :)

dmurray · 10 months ago
There's a business idea: let users buy apps that cost $10 for say $2/month, 3 months minimum. Eat the risk of users cancelling, make bank on the large minority who end up paying 50 times. Add some dark patterns and confusing language to keep your margins up. Liberally claim fraud for apps where users consistently pay $6 but you're out $10.

If you could execute this technically it's clearly a billion-dollar idea, but maybe the only people with the right connections to do it are Apple and Google.

nkrisc · 10 months ago
Add a $3.99/mo recurring subscription option.
rafamvc · 10 months ago
I think there is a market. I pay for mealime monthly, I don't even know how much it costs. The cost of an app to help the family choose a dinner menu instead of eating out is worth it. Not only for money savings, but for health as well.

One of the best features is to streamline the online ordering from the app.

It works very well.

spamtarget · 10 months ago
well said, this makes zero sense to be a subscription service
smt88 · 10 months ago
All web-based software makes sense as a subscription because of ongoing maintenance costs. Servers, security updates, bug fixes, dealing with app stores, testing on new devices... it adds up in an unpredictable way.

That's not even considering the many subscriptions a developer has to pay, including to Apple.

shadowmnifold · 10 months ago
Really one of the most ridiculous things I can remember seeing.
fsckboy · 10 months ago
I'd like to see a new subscription model emerge:

some base price quote.

then, the more I use it, the cheaper it gets, or at least never "the more expensive it gets" (in this way we can get tiers, but it's not quoted as screw-you plan)

and, I stop using it, I stop paying

If the base price is attractive to try, put in my credit card and try. If I keep liking it, I keep using it, if I don't, I don't. It's what we all want, just give it to us.

ccozan · 10 months ago
usually called "pay by use".... tinder does that: you get free swipes. and fill in the top and bottom with relevant ads. You go premium...well then depends.

But I have to admit, a food matching app with this approach would be strange since the person I am truing to match is know to me and possibly living in the same place.

I would personally open a chatGPT session and tell what I have eaten today or this week and should suggest from the history when I need it.

bossyTeacher · 10 months ago
Unfortunately, the Apple Developer account is not a one-time purchase and neither is the recurring payment to keep the server used by the app. People need to stop expecting one-time payments for online services
Kwpolska · 10 months ago
Skip the Apple tax and build a web app. A simple web app like this should not cost a significant amount of money to host.
CrazyStat · 10 months ago
My favorite restaurant’s rent isn’t a one-time purchase either but they still manage to sell me a meal without an annual subscription.
icemanind · 10 months ago
You should have started the app on an Android first. An Android developer license is only a one time $25 fee. Once you build it on Android, you can gauge the response and determine how much to charge on other platforms. And build it using a build once, deploy many framework, such as React Native or Flutter, that way porting it to any device would be a sinch! My piece of advice.
bravoetch · 10 months ago
It's almost like so many things are broken at every level...
dvngnt_ · 10 months ago
online services do have inherent costs that need to be paid especially for products that provide value.

i do wonder if for new products they should opt for a webapp instead which would negate the apple/google tax and it would allow android users to also try

yreg · 10 months ago
Apple dev account costs $99/year. Do you really need to recoup that from the first 6 customers? (5 + 1, since one has to pay for the 15% Apple cut.)
reddalo · 10 months ago
> $10 one time purchase

I miss when good apps were selling for $2 on the app stores.

paulddraper · 10 months ago
The HN crowd isn't going to like it, but this is the perfect one for ads.

Perfect.

spamtarget · 10 months ago
I hate ads, but you're actually right in this case. If done with moderation and purpose—like the YouTube videos that promote a high-quality cooking ingredient while meaningfully explaining why it’s better—it could work well.
philipwhiuk · 10 months ago
Or, commission from ordering items from the recipes via local stores.
mocamoca · 10 months ago
There are servers needed for the app to work, right? So I guess subscription makes sense?

Of course then there is the price of the subscription... But I'm talking about the model, not the cost.

wfleming · 10 months ago
The trouble is the justification of a subscription is evaluated differently by businesses and customers, and both perspectives are rational. If you’ve got servers to pay for, subscriptions are a very appealing model since it makes the “is this business sustainable” math very easy (and less charitably lots of businesses are after that sweet sweet subscription revenue because it tends to be sticky). As a customer, I think it’s also very reasonable to get annoyed that “everything is becoming a subscription” and say “why would I pay this much for something I might need once in a blue moon.”
OJFord · 10 months ago
GP did say they understand why. Doesn't mean it's compelling from the other side.

'Pay for what you use' (micropayments?) seems under-explored outside of cloudhosting to me. Some small cost per meal solves the same problem while seeming more reasonable (or more obviously reasonable) to the consumer, doesn't it?

stavros · 10 months ago
Honestly, the servers an app like this would need would be a $3/mo VPS. I'm not arguing about the price, the author can charge whatever he wants, but I don't think he'll get many customers that way. It's a good thing that the server requirements are minimal.
Diti · 10 months ago
OP mentioned this is a “simple app”. They should follow the example of the author of parcelapp.net, which charges less than 5 EUR a year. That’s 50 k€ per year (judging by the ten thousand of reviews (4.8/5 star average) on the Apple App Store. Without taxes, of course.

More than enough to pay for server costs.

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bigiain · 10 months ago
> There are servers needed for the app to work, right?

But why?

This is described as "a simple app, in which we listed all the recipes we ever prepared, and it would propose randomly three of them. We would then choose together one of them."

You could, if you chose to, built/architect that in a way that doesn't require a backend at all.

You can use deep link URIs to send a _lot_ of data in a link in an email (like literally gigabytes on iOS). Easily enough data to send each other newly added meals/recipes.

You could also encode recipes in QR Codes, so one person enters a new recipe and the other can scan a QR Code the app generates to grab it - you can get about 4kb into a high density QR Code that'll read reliably off a phone screen.

Use one of those to maintain the whole meal/recipe database on each device, no backend required.

Maybe use a date based PRNG so both ends will pick the same "three random recipes" every day.

Send messages between apps as emails with deep links in them, so one user can use the native iOS "share by email" widget to send a "hey, what do you want for dinner" email, with an app generated message with three deeplinks, one for each random choice. Recipient responds by tapping the deep link for their recipe choice, which opens their version of the app - and the app digs the data out off the deeplink URI to pres3ent a "share your choice" button that also uses the native iOS "share by email" widget to send the response back to the first user.

Tapping links in emails and sharing via email isn't as "nice" as an app with a centralised database and push notifications, but it also has zero ongoing cost to run and you know for sure the developer has no lever to enshittify the service, and has no user PII or usage data to sell to surveillance capitalists.

Hmmm, I wonder if you could do this entirely as a web app?

jhanschoo · 10 months ago
For stuff that I'm not sure that I'm going to continue using, I subscribe, then immediately cancel.

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