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sandymcmurray · a year ago
You paid by the minute to connect to CompuServe. I eventually found free software - shared in the CompuServe forums - that would dial up, collect messages from threads you had marked offline, then hang up your modem so you could read and reply at your leisure. This was my first exposure to shareware and a huge $$ saving. I contacted the developer and offered to pay him for this and he replied with, "No thanks. Just pay it forward." A couple of great lessons there.
cdchn · a year ago
A lot of BBSes especially those that had FidoNet or similar distributed message boards let you download all the message boards as QWK packets and software like Blue Link and others. It was a great feature. Reading/replying to boards offline was a much nicer experience, in addition to the cost savings.

EDIT: and as another bit of random trivia the guy who invented QWK format died of a heart attack after being swatted by an 18 year old who was after his @Tennessee twitter username.

andrelaszlo · a year ago
> the guy who invented QWK format died of a heart attack after being swatted by an 18 year old who was after his @Tennessee twitter username.

Very sad story. https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/07/serial-swatter-who-cause...

ghaff · a year ago
Even free/subscription BBSs often involved pretty expensive per-minute phone charges. Intrastate in the US could actually cost more than interstate. Phone calls were expensive historically. Maybe more than $1/minute except for very local in today's currency.

Compuserve also had different rates depending on the baud rate you connected at.

Having a computer and getting online was a pretty expensive hobby in the 80s and early 90s.

cbozeman · a year ago
> DIT: and as another bit of random trivia the guy who invented QWK format died of a heart attack after being swatted by an 18 year old who was after his @Tennessee twitter username.

That username should be permanently retired and the 18 year old prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for crimes which the law would or could hold him or her accountable.

kragen · a year ago
also fidonet itself worked like this; at mail hour, or when you asked it to, your node would dial up other nodes to exchange mail with them. you could set up a 'point' that was like a mini-node, not listed in the node list, that only talked to one full-fledged node.
loloquwowndueo · a year ago
Was it Blue link or Blue Wave?

A lot of us used SLMR (silly little mail reader) instead as it was cheaper than blue wave.

kmoser · a year ago
I discovered that if you were still connected when your account expired, you wouldn't get kicked off. I remember connecting just before the end of a trial period and staying up into the wee hours (well past the 12 midnight expiration time) downloading tons of Commodore 64 sound files.
ohjeez · a year ago
Initially called Zapcis, Howard Benner released the new shareware version as TAPCIS, which IIRC cost $35 to register. Worth every penny because I was paying long distance rates to access CompuServe, with phone bills regularly exceeding $250/month. (There were a few competitors, such as OZCIS.)

Far beyond automation, TAPCIS had messaging features that I wish I had today, particularly as sysop/moderator. For instance, if a message thread unraveled (as they do), and the conversation wandered from "snow tires two or four?" to "favorite radio stations"... the sysop could type Ctrl-S and snip into a new thread with a more suitable title. I WANT THIS EVERY SINGLE DAY.

onemoresoop · a year ago
I remember those times as well, I remember using Listserv quite a bit, sending the Listserv commands while offline, composing emails/replying to emails and then connecting briefly to the mail server. And yes, the phone was paid by the minute, it wasn't very cheap so I'd try to lower the usage as much as I could. And then there were the BBS-es where I'd spend the time limit (I think it was 30 minutes) when I could find a line that wasn't busy...
SpaceNoodled · a year ago
Do you recall who that was? Name & fame?
rqtwteye · a year ago
I think I had a software called wigwam.
chgs · a year ago
In the U.K. you paid by the minute for phone calls too. That’s on top of tue per minute compuserve charge and the monthly charge.

While the extra charges ok top of the phone we’re slowly removed, the genral per monute phone costs remained well into the late 90s and the gradual rollout of broadband (512k adsl)

illwrks · a year ago
There's a great TV show called "Halt And Catch Fire" that parallels the development of the tech industry, including what I think may be a nod to CompuServe mentioned in the article. It's only four seasons, it has some fantastic characters, excellent writing and is thoroughly enjoyable. It's fresh in my mind as I've only just rewatched it!

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2543312/

jll29 · a year ago
I fully second that, this is a must-see for any geek, much more so than e.g. War Games.

"Halt and Catch Fire" (HCF) often is jargon that refers to documented or undocumented opcodes or code sequences that leads the CPU to crash:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halt_and_Catch_Fire_(computing...

With a hat tip to all Commodore C64/MOS650 enthusiasts, I shall end this post with my favourite HCF sequence: 4C 10 7E.

_Happy watching!_

sillywalk · a year ago
I recall BeOS had is_computer_on_fire()

double is_computer_on_fire();

Returns the temperature of the motherboard if the computer is currently on fire. Smoldering doesn't count. If the computer isn't on fire, the function returns some other value.

( https://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/bebook/TheKernelKit_Sys...)

kragen · a year ago
not 'crash', which for computers refers to a temporary halt to operations which can be resumed by rebooting. an hcf is more like a car crash: something that physically damages the processor. like, if you have a microcontroller with four pins wired together to give you more drive current, if you drive two of them low and two high, you are likely to have an hcf
EvanAnderson · a year ago
I'd say "Mutiny" is a nod to Habitat, too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habitat_(video_game)

EarlKing · a year ago
Kinda. It's sort of a mix of Habitat and PlayNET/QuantumLink... more the latter than the former.
Clubber · a year ago
I've seen it and it's good. Thanks for reminding me, I'll watch it again.
whyenot · a year ago
It used to be $6/hour (adjust for inflation, would now be about $18/hr). How do I know this? Because as a teenager, my dad let me use his account to play a multiplayer game called Island of Kesmai that was available through CompuServe, and I ended up putting hundreds of dollars on his credit card (and got in a lot of trouble). I worked as a page at my local public library in order to make enough money that I could pay him back, which itself led to a life-long love of books and reading. In the end, it was an important life lesson about moderation and personal responsibility.

Competitors to CompuServe were even more expensive. GEnie was $9/hr, and Byte Information Exchange (BIX) was $12, and I think at the start was even higher.

ryanstewart · a year ago
Thanks for sharing this story. Similar situation, but I think Compuserve had moved to monthly billing at that point, so this was about dial-up access. We lived in Wyoming and there wasn't a local Compuserve number for us to dial into, so we had to use a 1-800 number that charged by the time you used it. The first month we had access, I would sneak downstairs most nights and dial in to play around. I don't remember what I had to do to work off the bill, but my parents were not happy. It helped start me on a path to a tech career, though.
SapporoChris · a year ago
If I recall correctly it was $6/hour during their off times. Which was after hours on weekdays, weekends and holidays. During the work day I think it was $30 dollars.
whyenot · a year ago
I don't remember that part, but I guess it was a good thing I was in school during work hours.
jghn · a year ago
It also depended on baud rate. I remember2400 was cheaper than 9600
jghn · a year ago
It was possible to get a free account in that time period. However most of those games were blocked for free accounts.
kragen · a year ago
56 years ago tymshare connected the world before compuserve: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIWMvtM02NA (oral history interview with my friend ann hardy, who wrote the operating system that ran tymshare for many years)

but the more interesting systems, to my mind, were usenet (born 01980) and fidonet (born 01983), because those were bottom-up, federated, peer-to-peer, grassroots systems

sillywalk · a year ago
Thanks for the link. For those who prefer to read, there is a transcript[0].

[0] https://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/access/text/20...

Animats · a year ago
Oh, Norm Hardy's wife.

Tymnet was interesting. It was a virtual circuit-switched system for keyboard terminals. There was a central control machine, and a bunch of dumb switching nodes. The central control machine (an SDS-945 originally) would set up a route and send out "route channel 24 to channel 57" commands to each node. The nodes just forwarded packets per the set route. If the control machine went down, all routes stayed working, but new ones could not be set up. There was a second control machine that could take over if needed.

Nodes had a queue for each virtual circuit, and flow control. It wasn't end to end raw packets. In the days of expensive long haul bandwidth, this was essential. Pure datagram networks only work because our long-haul connections today have huge bandwidth. Datagram networks can't really handle congestion in the middle of the network. Virtual circuit networks can. Which is why, in the early 1970s, it looked like virtual circuit networks were the future. Even the original ARPANET had node to node flow control.

The Tymnet "backbone" was originally only 2400 to 4800 baud, so they had major lag problems. To help with this, they used local echo when possible, so local typing didn't lag. You'd type in a line, and at the end of the line, the whole line went across the network. The connection could shift from local to remote echo seamlessly.

(Telnet, for the Internet, can do local echo, too, but Berkeley didn't put that in their BSD Telnet, so it fell out of use as network bandwidth increased. That worked in pre-BSD UNET, and echo would be local until you used some program, such as "vi", which enabled "raw mode".)

Here's a summary of the Tymnet technology.[1]

[1] http://cap-lore.com/Tymnet/TOCN.html

kragen · a year ago
thank you! i should have posted that
howard941 · a year ago
Telenet as you'll recall was a competitor. I used it to get into NJIT's EIES system, another terrific mulituser platform. Telenet seemed to perform better than Tymnet, with less jitter.

Both Telenet and IIRC Tymnet were portals into The Source which preceded CIS.

worstspotgain · a year ago
Telenet and Tymnet were the main US X.25 networks. [1] X.25 was the global standard packet-switched network that preceded the Internet. It was mostly B2B, as it was pay-by-the-minute plus pay-by-the-packet, plus of course the cost of the modem phone call if any.

Access to some of the X.25 networks was easily hacked, as there was almost no cybercrime back then outside of teenagers. In some cases, there was only a logon code - no password at all. I remember a network where the code was just a short-ish number, so it could be easily mined via brute-force search. The modem bank would disconnect you after X failed attempts, but you could just dial back in right away (there was no caller ID either.)

X.25 had hosts called Outdials in most area codes that would let you make a local modem call back out for no extra charge, as long as it was toll-free. [2] This was a way to avoid expensive long-distance BBS calls, particularly if you were using a mined X.25 logon. The latency was pretty bad but the connection could be much more reliable than a modem on a noisy long-distance line.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X.25

[2] https://github.com/maestron/hacking-tutorials/blob/master/Ba...

newobj · a year ago
clicked into the thread just to see if ppl mentioned tymnet and telenet

what up fellow olds

kragen · a year ago
eventually there were telenet and the source, yes
dctoedt · a year ago
I hadn't thought about my CompuServe ID in many years and wasn't sure I remembered it, but Google-searching it revealed exactly one hit, with three mentions, the first being from January 1990, when I uploaded something: "EMACS keyboard mapping for Word Perfect 5.x. Not complete implementation; please pass along any enhancements you make. Freeware - no warranties, no royalties, enjoy."

http://annex.retroarchive.org/cdrom/640_studio_ii/INFO/IBMAP...

jghn · a year ago
My Compuserve ID & ICQ ID are burned into my brain. Yet I can barely remember my childhood phone number!
mattw2121 · a year ago
I spent a lot of time, and a lot of my parent's money, on Compuserve in the mid to the late eighties. For me and my best friend all our time was spent in two places. First, and absolute foremost, was Island of Kesmai. This game, and its graphical successor Legends of Kesmai, was the stuff dreams were made of for me as a kid. I still play variants of this game today. The second big draw of Compuserve was "You Guessed It!". This was a wacky multi-player trivia game show. My friend and I (both around 13) posed as young navy fighter pilots (top gun was a thing at this time). We wrote down all the questions and answers and frantically looked them up in the next games.

Compuserve was a huge part of my life at that point in time and I'm so glad it existed. I'm really glad we got away from hourly charges though.

foobarian · a year ago
Any time I get the urge to complain about my kids Roblox usage I remember this ^ and bite my tongue :-)
SoftTalker · a year ago
> The second big draw of Compuserve was "You Guessed It!"

LOL until I read the next sentence I thought this was a reference to porn.

albeebe1 · a year ago
The first $5 i ever made online was on Compuserve. I was walking home from school (i think 1994) and i found a used Boston Bruins ticket stub on the ground. I put it on the classifieds section and sold it. The buyer sent me a $5 bill in the mail.
meow_catrix · a year ago
Cheap alibi
timr · a year ago
For years, there was a Commodore 64 in COSI (the science museum) in Columbus, OH, connected to CompuServe. I was fascinated with that thing as a kid -- it was this window into a parallel world that I didn't really understand, but immediately understood in a sort of a Snow Crash way. Looking back, it's quaint, but such a harbinger of the future!
supportengineer · a year ago
I feel like that was better than what we have now.