Finally, someone offering a proper Danish keyboard. Denmark, Sweden and Norway have long been stymied with the low-effort that is the Nordic keyboard layout. The problem is if you are not familiar with keyboards, then the labels are supposed to help you, but they don't on the Nordic layouts, because it just show three different keymap's labels on some keys, but you don't know which belong to which.
I know Apple also offers a proper Danish keyboard, and I've seen some modern Thinkpads with proper Danish keyboards.
I normally use a US Intl keyboard, but whenever I see a Danish keyboard, I struggle to find the | key.
Nordic keyboards were a mistake. Should be redone. They are bad for both writing and coding. Changed to US International years ago too, and will never go back.
Coding in Swedish keyboard mode in a Mac with (){}[] all on the same two keys with various vulcan neck pinching modifiers is definitely not one of my favourite things!
I don't care much about keyboard layouts anymore. I use a mix of FI/UK/US normal/Mac layouts almost daily, and it rarely matters much. Maybe the layout used to be a bigger deal before smartphones, but touchscreen interfaces have taught me to expect that the layout changes randomly all the time.
You try it once, and you see which colour applies to your language. It's not really a big deal. (And even that's only required to disambiguate between danish and norwegian.)
As someone who grew up having to write both on a regular basis, it was neat having both on the same layout. Now that I use Linux it doesn't matter as much since altgr lets me type æø instead of äö, but back on Windows you'd have to switch layout for that.
It's too bad they didn't at least ship nordic as a separate option.
Even worse for Icelandic ones. Keychron used to show the Icelandic flag on their Nordic keyboard page, despite that layout not including Icelandic-specific characters (Ð / Þ missing, Ö in the wrong place). I asked them to start including those characters, but now they just removed the flag.
While we're talking about keyboards, why won't they put dedicated page up/down keys ? There are 2 empty spots right above the left/right keys that would be ideal for this and are basically just wasted, being left empty, as one can see on the photos. It's one of the reasons that makes me cling on my old Thinkpad for so long, I use them all the time.
> There are 2 empty spots right above the left/right keys that would be ideal for this and are basically just wasted, being left empty, as one can see on the photos.
In my opinion and experience it’s utter shite: the precision of fingers on half keys is not great, so it’s way too easy to hit the page keys when just trying to move two characters sideways, and now you need a few seconds to realise what the fuck just happened.
It’s exactly what my current work laptop has, and if I had to use its internal keyboard for any length of time the laptop would long have gone out the window.
If I’m paging, it’s easy enough and a lot more intentional to press the FN up/down key. I could see the argument for TKL laptops but this is garbage and I hate it.
My T420's keyboard has some next/previous page keys there. I have zero idea what to use those for. The previous page key makes a nice additional modifier key though (e.g. for Compose) as it's next to the Ctrl key.
From reading comments around, is this "Nordic" layout just those four different languages overtyped on top of each others for users to ignore irrelevant parts? That sounds insane.
It shouldn't really be all that bad; it's just two letters that differ -- both in actual font design and keyboard placement. Swedish and Finnish write the letters Ö and Ä; in Danish and Norwegian they're Æ and Ø. The really weird thing is that the latter swap places between the languages; in Danish the keys are Æ to the left, Ø to the right; in Norwegian it's the other way around. So we have these two keys to the right of L that are marked, respectively, ØÖÆ and ÆÄØ.
Fortunately, the Å key seems to be the same for all four languages, and stay put in the row above the aforementioned ones, to the right of P.
Can someone explain to my why some keyboard layouts hide some of the most important terminal punctuation in everyday use? For example, on an Apple Swedish keyboard you're not allowed to natively access your home directory ~, nor pipe anything |.
What idiot came up with that, or is there legitimate reason?
Learning to touch type is one of the best investments I made early in my career. It's never too late. The fact that you will no longer need to care about whatever is printed on your keyboard is only a minor bonus.
It took until reading this comment that I understood why everyone's going on about the keyboard layout when it's always only ansi or iso anyway. I care that the left shift is long because then my hands can reach things like shift+4 comfortably (this php coder needs that $ a lot, my hand at an internship actually hurt from trying to use the bad layout), but beyond the physical keys, it wouldn't even occur to me that anyone who's into Framework hacker laptops cares about the print on them! Thanks for that hint
It's not just what's printed on them, really. I touch type, but a US keyboard have different shapes. For instance a longer left shift, and then go straight to Z, while we have an extra button inbetween. After jkl we have three buttons and then a thin and tall enter, but you have two and a short enter.
Yeah I've had laptops with various hardware layouts and don't really care, other than I prefer a Nordic layout on Macs where the Enter key is tall rather than wide. But it's a trivial adjustment.
A Swedish keyboard layout works for Norwegian, as long as the Ö maps to Ø and Ä maps to Æ. Or the Danish as well, except there for some reason Æ must map to Ø and Ø must map to Æ, otherwise they're identical. So most keyboards sold in Scandinavia just has one button with ØÖÆ on it and another with ÆÄØ on it, and then based on OS keyboard setting you get the correct one.
Point is, I'm curious why they also just don't release in Norway when they have made the layout? But I guess it's because we're not in the EU that makes it harder?
Personally I just use a US layout with alt gr for æøå. The Norwegian layout is very awkward for C style languages(and the unix shell), I find. The US one feels more natural, which makes sense considering the modern US layout is very similar to the layout of the teletypes used at bell labs in the 70s.
Took a while to get used to it, but only a month or so to be just as fast as I was previously on the Norwegian one.
My reason for learning the US layout back in the days was because of Counter Strike. For some reason it didn't adhere to your OS keyboard settings when chatting, so trying to write ø always became ; etc, so we kinda after a while just learned how it worked (didn't even know it was a US layout thing to look up, just bruteforced and memorized).
The danish layout is brain damaged indeed. My greatest daily annoyance is shift+7 to get "/", when navigating around folders in the terminal, but on the other hand I have ~30 years of built up muscle memory at this point.
Agreed, takes honestly a very short time to get used to it but the benefits are large, as a programmer at least. I don't think I would ever go back to the other layout again.
Yeah. Norwegian living in the UK, and I use a US layout as well. I do have a keybinding to swap to Norwegian keymap that I use occasionally, but it doesn't see much use.
Lack of keyboard as my reason for not buying a Framework laptop when upgrading last year. I wouldn't mind them releasing a Nordic keyboard, which isn't ideal but better than nothing (as a migrant I'm never quite sure what character I'll get when I hit those keys!).
It seems Norway is often left out as being outside the EU and having it's own tax, customs and consumer rights requirements puts a large burden on companies to officially support a market here, especially when it's a relatively small market.
I always wondered why the special non-language characters are in different places in various language specific keyboards.
Do Danish people not pipe their standard output as much? Do Swiss people not write emails as much? Are Europeans bad at finding the return key, thus requiring a larger one than Americans? These are all things I've actually come across.
Why are the special characters in all sorts of weird places? One of the great mysteries of life.
Oh… My framework laptop is two years old now and it starts showing. Had to replace the fan already (twice in fact) and now some random stuff with keyboard started to happen.
10 year old thinkpad in comparison can still be used both as a daily driver, a hammer and to barricade oneself during the zombie apocalypse
How good are these? They are pretty highly priced (1600-2000 USD), comparable to a mac laptop. I would expect the quality to be on mac level if i would pay this price for a laptop.
You will not get mac level finish or integration, nor battery life.
But you will get a lot of ram and disk for this price, a robust and fast laptop.
And something you can repair.
If you are a mac person, there is no substitute for the mac, by definition.
If you don't care about mac, then the framework is a good machine.
I rocked dell for a long time, I switched to framework, and so far, it's been great. The keyboard is comfy, the touchpad is good (for a non mac), the mate screen is productive and I enjoy its format.
The specs have not let me down perf wise, the extension system is fantastic, and the value proposition of being able to be repaired is unmatched. I assembled it, and you can see they care a lot.
Dual boot windows + linux on it is quick and easy. Support is perfect, including sleep, wifi, fingerprint reader, webcam, etc. The mechanical off switch for the mic and cam is a plus.
The battery life sucks, and I can hear the fans more than I want. It's not as stylish as other notebooks.
That's it.
Mostly, I forgot about the machine in a week and it's transparent to me: it's plugged on a USB dongle that powers it, hook me to ethernet and extends the screen. I used it on the go twice, nothing special to report.
I'll co-sign everything you said, other than to say that if you care about the webcam or the sound, this isn't the laptop for you. I'd still recommend it highly despite those failings, though, as the configuration and the longevity is more than worth it.
Plus, who knows, they might come out with a webcam or sound upgrade kit one day.
> I would expect the quality to be on mac level if i would pay this price for a laptop
I'm not sure if the quality is "on the mac level" (I've heard conflicting things, like I have for Macs), but the repairability and upgradeability are a million times better. That means that you can buy the 8GB RAM version, and upgrade later if needed; you don't have to shell out 500euros more just to not have a useless device in a year or two.
I heard that upgrading the framework laptop would end up costing about the same as just buying a new regular midrange laptop entirely, at which point I'm not really sure if I'd care about the upgradeability.
Update: updating the main board (e.g CPU) would cost anywhere from 500 to 1000 EUR (https://frame.work/marketplace/mainboards). I'd much rather stay with a desktop PC where all the parts are also upgradeable, but much, much cheaper to the point that it actually makes sense.
> you don't have to shell out 500euros more just to not have a useless device in a year or two.
I have a 12yo iPad, a 8yo Macbook Air, and they're still going strong. I think after around 10 years you may not be able to update the OS anymore?? But tbh after 10 years I really want to change laptops, it's about time :)
And hopefully one can install Linux on the Mac and keep using it for other things, I think... the hardware is just very good.
I bought the new framework 13 with a ryzen config (forgot which chip it was, i think i went for the 6 core one) with 16gb ram @5600Mtransfers/sec and 1tb wd black ssd with the cache thing, no OS. I also got 2 usb a, 2 usb c, and 1 hdmi ext. card.
paid around 1300eur netto, and i found the build quality to be on par with my old macbook 13. Matte display is also nice, though the brightness settings are not as 'wide' as the macbook's. The fan rarely ever ramps up, the keyboard is very comfortable compared to a 1st gen butterfy keyboard, and you can set the battery charge limit in the bios settings (e.g. limit charging to 60 %)
I was in the market for a decent Linux laptop, but after having seen one in person, I'm less convinced. Note: I'm talking about the 13" one.
The battery life using Linux isn't good, the screen is isn't that good, the touch pad is okay, but not great, the layout of the arrow keys is ridiculous. I don't get how something can market itself as an enthusiast laptop and come with arrow keys like these. And I agree that for this price, you should expect best-in-class components.
But the killer for me was seeing the modular port concept in action. It's the kind of thing that sounds great on paper, but in practice doesn't really work. It just wastes space that could be used for a larger battery, while limiting the number of ports that the laptop can fit at any one time. It's not a Linux laptop, but just for comparison, a Macbook Pro has way more ports, and all of them are usable at once.
I'm sure things will improve, but basically my impression is that the Framework concept doesn't seem that well thought out yet. And the upgradability guarantee might lock them into their unfinished ideas for a lot longer than other manufacturers would be. I really hope they can solve these issues, because what they're trying to do is fantastic, but it’s not for me just yet.
Yeah, I have a HP laptop for work, with the same cursor setup - it is terrible. Thinkpad FTW! The only thing that saves it for HP is that you get an extra column of Delete/Home/PgUp/PgDn/End keys on the side.
ps. Tuxedo has the same problem. No Linux-native laptop suits me :( Thinkpads it is.
You're saying you're in the market for a Linux laptop and compare it to a macbook. I don't see the fair comparison to be honest. Sure there is Ashai and you could install Linux on an Intel MacBook, but for those setups you don't have company that has explicitly support for Linux.
As for your other points, those are fair even though subjective.
I really do like the modular ports, especially because they expose the possibility to build your own modules (or buy community made modules) for the laptop because everything is open source.
As someone who went through two of the touchbar macbook pros up until recently getting a M2, "on a mac level" is a pretty tricky metric these days. Apple were charging crazy prices for garbage quality machines for years.
A friend has a frame.work & I've trialed it a fair bit - combining his review with my hands on experiences I'd say it's not quite as nice as the new Ms nor up to the level of the old pre-2018 macbooks but it is very close, & certainly far better build quality than what Apple were churning out in those intervening years.
The last few generations of intel macs weren't great indeed. The 2018 model I had had the flaky keyboard that ultimately destroyed the laptop when a loose key inserted itself in between the screen and the keyboard. Still angry about that.
But I must say the M1 mac book pro (14", 16GB) is one of the nicest laptops I've ever had. The second best would be a 2011 era mac book pr 15" that I used for several years (pre-retina).
I'd be interested in a decent linux laptop but so far everything I look at has compromises on quality, screen/resolution, trackpads, etc. These framework laptop come close. Especially now that they finally have decent screens that aren't the industry standard 1080p garbage. Not quite upto Apple's standards (colors, contrast, dynamic range, etc.). But it's nice enough. It does seems a bit bulky for my taste. But I could probably live with it. I'd use it for gaming and Steam mainly. I have a shitty old laptop I use for that currently but I hate the screen, keyboard, trackpad, and the anemic performance.
I own a MBP M1 13' and a Framework 16 with GPU.
Build quality, battery life, sound and display are better on the macbook.
But! The Framework has a very good build quality compared to every other laptop maker. All other aspects are good to decent. I'd say thats about 80% of the price. The other 20% are for:
- Not having a solid piece of metal and plastic that only a specialist can repair.
- A company that values you as a customer and seriously wants to help you with your problems.
- Investment in a future where there are real alternatives to all the other non-repairable crap thats out there.
The moment you want to upgrade it, or have a broken part out of warranty it's infinitely better. You can not only get actual parts for it there are repair guides endorsed by the manufacturer.
"Mac level" quality isn't all it's cracked up to be, to be fair. They're great for "premium feel" and all. But in terms of durabilty and repairability they leave a lot to be desired.
I'm curious why you say they leave a lot to be desired in terms of repairability. I don't have one, but my understanding is that you can get a replacement for pretty much any part directly from the manufacturer along with a guide to do the repair yourself. I don't know of any other brand on the market that does that.
Doesn’t even come close. Especially the trackpad, the built in speakers, and the fans. Mind you M* Macbook Airs doesn’t even have fans and Framework will start spinning the fans sooner or later.
They are nice laptops but not in the category of a Macbook or a Thinkpad X1 Carbon
I bought a framework laptop (13in, intel, 13th gen) at the end of 2023 and have had nothing but problems with it. Mostly stability issues. It freezes entirely without warning after about 3-5min of use, regardless of whether I'm booting into a linux kernel or windows machine, from the ssd or the usb. very unhappy that I spent money on it. support has been unhelpful.
the idea of a DIY laptop that I could upgrade, et cetera, was something I could really get behind. but in practice it just feels like a waste of time and money. The machine does have to actually work.
So run Memtest86+ If it fails, replace one DIMM at a time and retest until it passes; as soon as it passes, the DIMM you just replaced was bad. If it passes, replace the motherboard, ideally under warranty.
Perhaps, but when the asking price is on the same levels as a mac book pro, i think its fair to compare it against one. Personally i have been using macs since 2012 (windows and ubuntu before that), and can not go back to anything else yet because of the insane quality of the mac hardware. My favourite ones are the 2012 MBP, and then later (what im still using) is the M1 from 2021.
I don't see how it's a problem to stock all keyboard types, such as for the Nordics. It's the same layout, just with different letters. They could just have blank keyboards with the most commonly used layouts and put them in a laser etch jig for custom orders. Similar what they are doing now for screen protectors where they cut them in-store
They were already available since they started selling to the first EU country. As an EU citizen, you have the right[1] to purchase a product from any EU country. Geo-blocking is often prohibited. They now only ship to those countries as well, so you don't have to pick it up from another EU country.
By that logic, they were available even before, because you could fly to US and buy it there. Being able to buy a laptop in finland is pretty much the same hassle for me as if i bought it in US... less custom fees, more shady remailers and a language I don't understand.
Half of amazon.de won't deliver to my (not germany) EU country, half of amazon.it won't either, and sometimes there' stuff that one of them will send but not the other (stuff sold by amazon, not third party sellers), and some things are impossible to get (lipo batteries) while other companies somehow manage to ship them.
EU is far from a "unified market" (in a way where buying stuff from other EU countries would be the same experience as buying stuff from your own). Even large retailers like amazon don't even care about the difference, since they have your shipping address, notify you that your shipping address is set to <address> with a popup, let you search for an item, show you an item in the search results, and only when you click on the item, they tell you that they can't ship it to your address.
The bigger thing is having Nordic keyboard layout available. Also we use ISO layout with more keys and shapes/sizes.
> With this launch, we’re adding Danish and Swedish/Finnish keyboards that you can order now with a Framework Laptop 13 or as a standalone Keyboard or Input Cover Kit.
For me the biggest issue is the different shape enter key causing me to miss click it all the time when using standard (ANSI?) qwerty keyboard.
I've tried that before, and I've not been able to find stickers that will last long (trust me, you'll have sweaty fingers from time to time). A better solution is to use a white permanent marker on the keys instead. It doesn't last, obviously, but it doesn't make it awkward to type, and you can just re-apply it as the keys lose their labels.
On my keyboard (not a Frame.work), the only letters that are still readable are Q, Y, U, J, Z anyway. The rest are worn down, some with nail striations in the plastic... I'm not sure how cool it looks, but clearly I manage without the labels.
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I know Apple also offers a proper Danish keyboard, and I've seen some modern Thinkpads with proper Danish keyboards.
I normally use a US Intl keyboard, but whenever I see a Danish keyboard, I struggle to find the | key.
And why do we have μ? (I know it's because it's a metric prefix but has anyone ever used it instead of u?)
As someone who grew up having to write both on a regular basis, it was neat having both on the same layout. Now that I use Linux it doesn't matter as much since altgr lets me type æø instead of äö, but back on Windows you'd have to switch layout for that.
It's too bad they didn't at least ship nordic as a separate option.
For Framework I went with a blank ISO layout.
In my opinion and experience it’s utter shite: the precision of fingers on half keys is not great, so it’s way too easy to hit the page keys when just trying to move two characters sideways, and now you need a few seconds to realise what the fuck just happened.
It’s exactly what my current work laptop has, and if I had to use its internal keyboard for any length of time the laptop would long have gone out the window.
If I’m paging, it’s easy enough and a lot more intentional to press the FN up/down key. I could see the argument for TKL laptops but this is garbage and I hate it.
Fortunately, the Å key seems to be the same for all four languages, and stay put in the row above the aforementioned ones, to the right of P.
What idiot came up with that, or is there legitimate reason?
Point is, I'm curious why they also just don't release in Norway when they have made the layout? But I guess it's because we're not in the EU that makes it harder?
Took a while to get used to it, but only a month or so to be just as fast as I was previously on the Norwegian one.
æ = option + '
ø = option + o
å = option + a
It seems Norway is often left out as being outside the EU and having it's own tax, customs and consumer rights requirements puts a large burden on companies to officially support a market here, especially when it's a relatively small market.
Do Danish people not pipe their standard output as much? Do Swiss people not write emails as much? Are Europeans bad at finding the return key, thus requiring a larger one than Americans? These are all things I've actually come across.
Why are the special characters in all sorts of weird places? One of the great mysteries of life.
10 year old thinkpad in comparison can still be used both as a daily driver, a hammer and to barricade oneself during the zombie apocalypse
I am sure they will eventually, but quicker and less friction to expand to EU countries and later maybe to other EEA countries.
It will not be a hardware issues. All costs, red tape and priorities.
But you will get a lot of ram and disk for this price, a robust and fast laptop.
And something you can repair.
If you are a mac person, there is no substitute for the mac, by definition.
If you don't care about mac, then the framework is a good machine.
I rocked dell for a long time, I switched to framework, and so far, it's been great. The keyboard is comfy, the touchpad is good (for a non mac), the mate screen is productive and I enjoy its format.
The specs have not let me down perf wise, the extension system is fantastic, and the value proposition of being able to be repaired is unmatched. I assembled it, and you can see they care a lot.
Dual boot windows + linux on it is quick and easy. Support is perfect, including sleep, wifi, fingerprint reader, webcam, etc. The mechanical off switch for the mic and cam is a plus.
The battery life sucks, and I can hear the fans more than I want. It's not as stylish as other notebooks.
That's it.
Mostly, I forgot about the machine in a week and it's transparent to me: it's plugged on a USB dongle that powers it, hook me to ethernet and extends the screen. I used it on the go twice, nothing special to report.
It just works and I get things done.
Which is probably what a lot of people want.
Plus, who knows, they might come out with a webcam or sound upgrade kit one day.
I'm not sure if the quality is "on the mac level" (I've heard conflicting things, like I have for Macs), but the repairability and upgradeability are a million times better. That means that you can buy the 8GB RAM version, and upgrade later if needed; you don't have to shell out 500euros more just to not have a useless device in a year or two.
Update: updating the main board (e.g CPU) would cost anywhere from 500 to 1000 EUR (https://frame.work/marketplace/mainboards). I'd much rather stay with a desktop PC where all the parts are also upgradeable, but much, much cheaper to the point that it actually makes sense.
I have a 12yo iPad, a 8yo Macbook Air, and they're still going strong. I think after around 10 years you may not be able to update the OS anymore?? But tbh after 10 years I really want to change laptops, it's about time :)
And hopefully one can install Linux on the Mac and keep using it for other things, I think... the hardware is just very good.
The module expansion is looking good too.
paid around 1300eur netto, and i found the build quality to be on par with my old macbook 13. Matte display is also nice, though the brightness settings are not as 'wide' as the macbook's. The fan rarely ever ramps up, the keyboard is very comfortable compared to a 1st gen butterfy keyboard, and you can set the battery charge limit in the bios settings (e.g. limit charging to 60 %)
I am really happy with it.
The battery life using Linux isn't good, the screen is isn't that good, the touch pad is okay, but not great, the layout of the arrow keys is ridiculous. I don't get how something can market itself as an enthusiast laptop and come with arrow keys like these. And I agree that for this price, you should expect best-in-class components.
But the killer for me was seeing the modular port concept in action. It's the kind of thing that sounds great on paper, but in practice doesn't really work. It just wastes space that could be used for a larger battery, while limiting the number of ports that the laptop can fit at any one time. It's not a Linux laptop, but just for comparison, a Macbook Pro has way more ports, and all of them are usable at once.
I'm sure things will improve, but basically my impression is that the Framework concept doesn't seem that well thought out yet. And the upgradability guarantee might lock them into their unfinished ideas for a lot longer than other manufacturers would be. I really hope they can solve these issues, because what they're trying to do is fantastic, but it’s not for me just yet.
ps. Tuxedo has the same problem. No Linux-native laptop suits me :( Thinkpads it is.
As for your other points, those are fair even though subjective.
I really do like the modular ports, especially because they expose the possibility to build your own modules (or buy community made modules) for the laptop because everything is open source.
A friend has a frame.work & I've trialed it a fair bit - combining his review with my hands on experiences I'd say it's not quite as nice as the new Ms nor up to the level of the old pre-2018 macbooks but it is very close, & certainly far better build quality than what Apple were churning out in those intervening years.
But I must say the M1 mac book pro (14", 16GB) is one of the nicest laptops I've ever had. The second best would be a 2011 era mac book pr 15" that I used for several years (pre-retina).
I'd be interested in a decent linux laptop but so far everything I look at has compromises on quality, screen/resolution, trackpads, etc. These framework laptop come close. Especially now that they finally have decent screens that aren't the industry standard 1080p garbage. Not quite upto Apple's standards (colors, contrast, dynamic range, etc.). But it's nice enough. It does seems a bit bulky for my taste. But I could probably live with it. I'd use it for gaming and Steam mainly. I have a shitty old laptop I use for that currently but I hate the screen, keyboard, trackpad, and the anemic performance.
They are nice laptops but not in the category of a Macbook or a Thinkpad X1 Carbon
the idea of a DIY laptop that I could upgrade, et cetera, was something I could really get behind. but in practice it just feels like a waste of time and money. The machine does have to actually work.
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For me it boils down to (in order of importance):
1) Keyboard 2) Trackpad 3) Screen 4) Battery life 5) Performance
And overall OSX is just a good, solid OS. It never crashes, its fast and is UNIX-y enough for me.
My dream setup is a macbook with an 100% linux compatible OS. Something like Asahi Linux. Maybe in 10 years.... one can dream.
Buying RAM elsewbere for half the cost and bringing your SSD from your prior system can allow you stay below $1000.
Now, Japanese keyboard [1] is a whole other beast, but for the most part layouts customizing ANSI and ISO blanks should work just fine.
[1]: https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2F...
[1]: https://www.eccnet.eu/consumer-rights/what-are-my-consumer-r...
Half of amazon.de won't deliver to my (not germany) EU country, half of amazon.it won't either, and sometimes there' stuff that one of them will send but not the other (stuff sold by amazon, not third party sellers), and some things are impossible to get (lipo batteries) while other companies somehow manage to ship them.
EU is far from a "unified market" (in a way where buying stuff from other EU countries would be the same experience as buying stuff from your own). Even large retailers like amazon don't even care about the difference, since they have your shipping address, notify you that your shipping address is set to <address> with a popup, let you search for an item, show you an item in the search results, and only when you click on the item, they tell you that they can't ship it to your address.
it's like saying any product is available worldwide as long as you are willing to travel (or arrange) to pick it up
> With this launch, we’re adding Danish and Swedish/Finnish keyboards that you can order now with a Framework Laptop 13 or as a standalone Keyboard or Input Cover Kit.
For me the biggest issue is the different shape enter key causing me to miss click it all the time when using standard (ANSI?) qwerty keyboard.
How hard can it be to get the mappings for all keyboards from gnome or somewhere and apply whatever unicode symbol during the engraving process ?
I am thinking about leaving it blank tho, looks way cooler hehe
Note it's their Magic keyboards, not laptops.
https://community.frame.work/t/blank-keyboard-laser-etching/...