From YouTube comments, it seems was an experiment of 2023 with video only uploaded now. It also looks like was not that successful, as they were too slow, and ended up causing problems for the meat based drivers...
>> to investigate what the advantages of autonomous transport can be and what employees think of it.
Lets not kid ourselves. The only real "advantage" would have been one less driver earning a paycheck.
I've been on the airside passenger busses at Schipol. They move faster than the average bus. I cannot see this tiny thing ever competing with those pro drivers.
Complex human flesh is the point of all this stuff we make and do, maybe we shouldn’t put all that meat out of a job for no good economic reason? Busses, trains, ships, etc don’t need to be automated, one or a few professional humans can operate those cheaper and safer than an advanced AI system.
> Lets not kid ourselves. The only real "advantage" would have been one less driver earning a paycheck.
Given that all modern, developed countries have to fight with a population decrease, this is actually a good thing. We have to prepare for a future where there will be barely anyone left to do relatively low-skill jobs, and the earlier we begin to automate them, the better - otherwise, we'll be in quite the bind in a decade or two, once the last boomers that work high into their 80s just to survive are finally dead.
Self driving is a bit of a stretch here. There are already a lot locations around the world where autonomous vehicles are driving, even in the Nederlands.
For example in the Netherlands there is a container terminal that has been using autonomous trucks for decades. And since 1999 there have been autonomous busses in Rotterdam.
Yes they are self driving, but not as smart as self driving means today.
Self-driving in ports is a vastly simpler problem though because the environment can be closed and controlled and devoid of any UX concerns, making it basically a simple robotics problem.
Yes there doesn’t seem to be anything interesting here. They obviously aren’t developing anything remotely like the Waymo/Cruise tech, and no reason to think they’ve developed anything useful even within some highly constrained setting. I’d guess it’s a corporate feel-good project that will be wound down after the press release.
Any chance we can get the title modified to read "Schiphol airport ..." as many won't know if this is a company, a town, or what until paragraph 4 of the press release?
It's literally Amsterdam Airport? I don't think it needs clarification. It's like saying "JFK/Heathrow/LAX conducts trial with self-driving buses on airside"
Hum... I don't automatically read any of those names as airports. The title is a bit clear because of the "airside", but people that don't have lots of experiency in airports won't recognize that word either.
Half of people I know wouldnt recognize LAX just casually mentioned, you may realize 95% of human population doesnt live in US and folks from many backgrounds come here.
I for example know the name only due to flying to/from it during work & travel stint during university times, otherwise nope. Simply not that famous in Europe, even JFK as an airport name aint guaranteed to be recognized here (but more than LAX).
I only learned about it last week because I was considering a trip to Amsterdam. But I'm also happy to have "airport" added to "JFK" "ORD" or "SFO" which strike me as obviously airports.
Never heard of schipol. I’m sure there are many things I think are very famous that you’ve never heard of as well. World is big yadda yadda I think two words to explain what a schipol was would be nice is all
I'm with you! I thought it was a town for most of the release. I didn't know what "airside" meant either, pardon my ignorance. I've never encountered that word in American English.
I think there's enough uncertainty in the post where assuming it's an airport would have a significant chance of being wrong. Nobody enjoys being corrected on a mistaken "obvious" assumption.
It's a pretty big global airport, isn't it? Maybe for freight more than passangers, but I definitely know the name and I've never been to the Netherlands.
A quick look on wikipedia says it has about the same passenger and freight numbers as JFK, though I guess that's more well known because of all the sitcoms set in New York.
I was at Dulles/DC and the air-side transportation was interesting: the jetbridge was also a bus. It's a "mobile lounge" and I guess a few airports have them. There's definitely something interesting when transit isn't seen as transit...but just mobile public spaces?
Yep, Dulles opened just as jet bridges became common. They were originally used for embarkation/disembarkation as well.
These days, they're mostly used to transport international arrivals from the gates (which have jet bridges) to the terminal that contains immigration control. Non-international have an option to use the lounges or a subway (usually depending on which gate you're at and where you need to go - sometime the lounge is faster than the train).
A bit of an anachronism today. But, having grown up in the DC area, they're definitely have a nostalgia factor.
These things have a high 'what might have been' future factor, but man they are annoying in practice. Because you have to wait for everyone to cram inside, it feels much slower than a train or moving walkway. They're very frustrating after a long flight when you just want to get to customs and get home.
I grew up near Dulles. Everybody seems to hate on the mobile lounges, but I've never not beaten my luggage to the baggage claim, and I haven't found it any quicker to get from my gate to the exit at other similarly large airports. In any event they are being retired in favor of below-ground trains.
I was flying to Schiphol on Monday and use that airport as my favorite for long-haul flights, even though I'm from Germany. It's a really nice airport.
Whenever I travel in a group through Shiphol, at least one piece of luggage gets missing every time. Yes, they manage to get it back to you eventually (although I did lose an expensive pair of running shoes there), but the amount of hoops you have to jump through at times is complete madness. After ten years of going over Shiphol 1-2 per year, I'm now at a point where I just try to find a route around it.
Weird, Schiphol is my least favorite major airport. Poor dining options, for one, but the worst is how narrow the pathways are. If you're trying to pass a gate that's within twenty minutes of the boarding time, you've got to push through a crowd. (And I can't blame the crowd, as there's not nearly enough seating.)
This is when flying Air France/KLM within Europe. Maybe it's better in other terminals.
It's one of my least favorite airports in Europe. The number of times my luggage got lost there alone is enough for me to avoid whenever possible. The shops and restaurants are also extremely bland.
The needed context seems to be that the person you are replying to is German. I don't love Schiphol either, but it beats any German airport (looking at Frankfurt in particular).
I've several times made it from a hotel room in town to my gate at Schiphol in under an hour. Without trying, and walking/taking the train from central.
As people already mention positive aspects about Schiphol. The new hand luggage scanners allow you to finally take liquids of any volume with you, forget max 100ml sized containers. One of the few airports that has them afaik
Next step: Going down from your plane, your Apple Video Bus strolls around the tarmac, passes through a giant Xray scanner, checks your passport (embedded on your seat), suggests a thousand duty-free products and makes you wear a luxury watch for about 8 seconds just for marketing, rolls straight onto the highway and drops you off at the hotel. No airport facilities.
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Lets not kid ourselves. The only real "advantage" would have been one less driver earning a paycheck.
I've been on the airside passenger busses at Schipol. They move faster than the average bus. I cannot see this tiny thing ever competing with those pro drivers.
Immunity to strikes, illness, and all those pesky complexities with meat and flesh
Given that all modern, developed countries have to fight with a population decrease, this is actually a good thing. We have to prepare for a future where there will be barely anyone left to do relatively low-skill jobs, and the earlier we begin to automate them, the better - otherwise, we'll be in quite the bind in a decade or two, once the last boomers that work high into their 80s just to survive are finally dead.
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For example in the Netherlands there is a container terminal that has been using autonomous trucks for decades. And since 1999 there have been autonomous busses in Rotterdam.
Yes they are self driving, but not as smart as self driving means today.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ParkShuttle
I for example know the name only due to flying to/from it during work & travel stint during university times, otherwise nope. Simply not that famous in Europe, even JFK as an airport name aint guaranteed to be recognized here (but more than LAX).
The word "airside" in the title already gives a pretty enormous clue !
A quick look on wikipedia says it has about the same passenger and freight numbers as JFK, though I guess that's more well known because of all the sitcoms set in New York.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_lounge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3OqAN4ISOw
These days, they're mostly used to transport international arrivals from the gates (which have jet bridges) to the terminal that contains immigration control. Non-international have an option to use the lounges or a subway (usually depending on which gate you're at and where you need to go - sometime the lounge is faster than the train).
A bit of an anachronism today. But, having grown up in the DC area, they're definitely have a nostalgia factor.
This is when flying Air France/KLM within Europe. Maybe it's better in other terminals.
Worse than Frankfurt? It seems like the only food you can get there is a hot-dog...
It’s not as great as SIN, ICN or the once dominant HKG though.
- which means that ...