When I was a kid, I once brought a stethoscope with me on the airplane so that I could watch the movie for free. (Or rather listen to it.) I pulled off the heart-listening cup part of the stethoscope and inserted beverage straws into the rubber tubing. Then I put one straw into each of the two little holes in the armrest.
It worked perfectly! Until a stewardess caught me and made me stop.
Sounds ingenious but I don’t quite follow the story. Why would a stewardess make you stop? Was there some system where you had to pay for headphones separately to hear a movie? I’m pretty sure all I remember are headrests having standard 1/8” audio jacks.
I've never heard this before! When I started flying it was just the 2 mono jacks that you still see on planes that haven't been updated (always wondered why it wasn't just a stereo jack)
Pretty surprising to hear there's air/sound tubes rigged on to every seat on a plane.
> (always wondered why it wasn't just a stereo jack)
Either because they didn’t want you to take their headphones from the plane, or so they could charge for use because you couldn’t just plug in your Walkman headphones.
I flew some overseas trips on Delta 767s in the late 1990s that still had the tube headphones. I was pretty intrigued by the concept, you could hold your hand up to the tube holes in the arm rest and hear the music echo off your hand.
Either on the headphones themselves or in the little overwrap bag there was a note to leave them on the aircraft when you deplane, because they (obviously) wouldn’t work elsewhere.
In my "maybe I'll need it some day" pile, I still have the two-mono-plugs to one stereo jack adapter I bought at Radio Shack so I could stick it to The Man. I think I only used it half a dozen times.
I'm 40-ish, and I remember them as a child, so they were definitely still kicking around in the mid to late 80s, most likely on KLM and Pan Am, that were the airlines of my childhood.
The only passenger aircraft I've ever encountered this on in 39 years of flying regularly were domestic US flights up until ~2000 or so. To the point where it's still a story I tell about the ridiculous levels of penny-pinching of US airlines (United wanted $5 to rent a plastic tube to let you listen to the inflight entertainment, with no way to plug in your own).
It was united that I most recently encountered this too. It was 2005ish and they flew a 747 with pull down theatre screens and pneumatic headphones on an australia-us flight.
Not sure if that was the backup plane or they were just desperately holding out to upgrade the fleet.
Having said that anyone that flew just over 30 years ago would have likely used pneumatic headphones and watched on a shared pulled down theatre screen. It was the norm not that long ago.
Twelve channels of the weirdest and/or lamest music you'd ever heard in your life, all in a faint, tinny form that makes AM radio sound audiophile quality.
Does anyone know why old aeroplanes used the plastic tube style of headphones, instead of copper wired? From the blog post, it makes very good sense why the MRI headphones are necessary in that setting.
Yes— there was a time where the free headphones were this style and you could bring your own electrically conductive headphones (with the right adapter, since it had separate RTS jacks for left and right channels) to enjoy a slightly better and louder sound quality
I was intrigued to see a lady at the crosswalk the other day wearing earbuds with thick tubing instead of wires. Googling it, I discovered they were "EMF free headphones". Apparently enough people think electromagnetic radiation in the ears is a problem that there are now dozens of these headphones on the market that put the driver half way along the cord, with tubes proceeding to the earpiece.
> Apparently enough people think electromagnetic radiation in the ears is a problem
Even Andrew Huberman, one of the most popular health science podcasters, has dabbled into anti-EMF quackery. On one podcast he claimed that his Bluetooth headphones produced notable "heat effects", implying that the electromagnetic energy was enough to produce palpable heat in his body.
It's obviously placebo effect to the extreme (physically impossible given the amount of RF energy) but nevertheless he made the claim. Millions of people listen to that podcast.
Of course, people are catching on that Andrew Huberman isn't really a good source of scientific information (nor really a good person, given recent revelations) but the damage is done.
Well, non-ionizing radiation (NIR) cause cancer has being debated such as this [1]. It wouldn't surprise me that it will be a bit like the Roundup/Monsanto situation. I don't blame people wanting to use these kind of protection just in case.
And iPhone also had this in their Product Information Guide:
"When using iPhone near your body for voice calls or for wireless data transmission over a cellular network, keep iPhone at least 15 mm (5/8 inch) away from the body, and only use carrying cases , belt clips, or holders that do not have metal parts and that maintain at least 15 mm (5/8″) separation between iPhone and the body."
Despite the questionable goals of the consumer, I have to credit hollow-tube technology as at least a reasonably non-fraudulent attempt to satisfy them.
In contrast, consider the glut of products involving magic nonsense about hematite beads or whatever.
They also use a similar mechanism for the "get me out of here ASAP" panic button [0] that staff place in your hand and tell you to squeeze if required, all it does is detect a change in air pressure on the other end of the tubing.
A button for garbage disposal before you have a chance to dry your hands? What does this button do, activate some pneumatic tube system so you don't have to carry trash to the bin?
I sympathize with that, more than once I've eyed mine's regular-light-switch and thought: "Surely the remaining water on my hands has too much surface-tension to go through any of those tiny gaps in the plastic... Right?"
I believe this is required by code in some places, depending on the location of the switch. Mine is inset into the counter top, so plenty of opportunity for water to pool around it which I think would rule out an electrical switch.
There's a sci-fi book I read a while back that had as a plot point an alien species that had algorithmically optimized its decision-making processes so much that it was no longer recognizably conscious. I think about that now and again when I get a little too invested in some system or practice.
I find the exact opposite problem, I go with old faithful over new.
It's for this reason that when I put my clothes away I simply take the stack of clothes in my dresser out, put all the fresh stuff on the bottom, then put the clothes that were in the drawer stuff on top.
I always grab the top sweater, t-shirt socks etc and I don't think about it at all.
Haha, funny. It was just yesterday that I listened to a german kabarett recording which featured the fact that women are driving consumerism. And he used the exact same example: "When does he buy new clothes? When you tell him to! He would keep his current set for a lot longer." (translated from memory)
Your linked article confirms the semi-humorous statement just a day later.
There was a YouTuber (WhiteBoy7thSt if anyone is familiar) I watched over ten years ago now that came from very humble beginnings, and when he started to make real money, his first splurge (and one he stuck with) was new socks. When I say new socks, I mean new socks most days, maybe even a new pair for every day of the year. These were normal white socks, not any nice wool socks, so it was still fairly cheap, but when he grew up, they always had beaten, old socks.
God, this blog post is hysterical. It reads like a David Foster Wallace treatment! Next time he posts something good, please -- someone -- submit on HN!
Completely tangential story. A few months back I was getting an MRI. I stashed my belt, coins, keys, and phone. The machine started its clicking and thumping when I realized I had my wedding band on my ring finger. Immediately my mind raced to a video I once saw of an MRI machine propelling a fire extinguisher across the room. I braced for my finger to be torn off while I slowly took the wedding band off using only one hand. Luckily it stayed put through the whole scan and nothing happened.
If it was ferromagnetic you would likely feel it tugging as you got close to the magnet. Gold, silver, titanium are ok in MRI. However, next time, the second you realize you have metal on your person you should immediately inform the techs rather than try to just hold onto it! Aside from the risk of injury, it can be a real pain to get stuck items off the machine.
Taking off metal jewellery in the scanner is about the worst thing one can do - it’s then loose. It would be very unlikely to move from a clenched fist, even if ferromagnetic. However having it escape your hand isn’t that difficult.
I’ve seen most these things play out. And as you say, it’s exactly what the call bell is for.
I work on software for MRI machines, and one of the first things they do is high powered magnet safety training which is mandatory for everybody.
Even non-ferromagnetic materials react to the high field strength, and to show that, they let me hold a ring of aluminum just outside the bore. You can feel it "snap" to either parallel or perpendicular to the table when you try to turn it. It was a surreal experience.
I forgot to take my tungsten carbide wedding band off as well for an MRI, nor did the MRI techs say anything. It was in the middle of the MRI scan that I realized it was still on and then my fingers on the ring hand kind of started to feel fairly warm, but not certain it that was actually the ring picking up magnetic energy or if it was psychosomatic, but no harm became of it.
I looked it up afterwards and tungsten apparently as little to no magnetic effects, but depending on the amount of carbon used in it, it can.
Tungsten carbide jewelry is a mixture of tungsten carbide powder and a metal binder, typically cobalt or nickel. The metal binder is electrically conductive and thus susceptible to the induction heating you felt.
What you were experiencing was a) probably real and b) due to the conductive properties of the ring , not magnetic.
Oversimplification: Moving a conductor in a magnetic field or vice versa indices current in the conductor , resistance in the conductor results in heat.
The main field in an MRI is static but there are a lot of other fields moving around…
Similar happens on your body also (eddy currents) and deeper tissue gets energy which has to be controlled for - it can cause stimulation in peripheral nerves and heating .
I got my third MRI after having a titanium plate put in my neck, and wow was I more nervous that time than the earlier two times. I made the tech let me test the panic button to prove it worked. Of course there was no problem with the MRI.
I asked about mine, and they said it was fine for the 1.5-tesla machine but they probably would have had me remove it for the 3-tesla one. I did feel it pulsing, but not noticebly warmer.
One of the things MRI do to create images is to pulse magnetic fields during imaging. These pulses are far weaker than the main field but will cause vibration of metals due to Lenz's and Faraday's laws. As the magnetic field changes it induces current in the ring, current in the ring interacts with the magnetic field to produce a (small) force on the ring. If you were getting a head/brain scan in a typical MRI your hand will lie near the locations within the scanner that see the largest swings in magnetic field. Beyond the vibration, rings are generally too small to be a heating issue even at 3T.
Best practice for at least a decade is to always remove all rings and all jewelry and failure to detect rings or other jewelry is generally seen to indicate a problem in screening. That is... if a radiologist sees evidence of a ring on the images there better be an explanation. The reality is that particularly older people have not removed their rings in decades and their joint disease may have expanded so much that it simply cannot be removed and the risk/benefit doesn't justify damaging the ring nor denying them the benefits of a scan. But if the patient can't take the ring off, the magnet wont either.
Just for reference, people get head scans with braces pretty regularly and it's not considered a safety issue. Braces and rings can affect image quality though so that's usually the concern. So if the ring is near the body part being imaged you'd probably be asked to remove it because they'll easily cause undesired issues (in, say, roughly a 3-6inch radius) that can result in images that radiologists deem unusable for making a diagnosis.
One of my favorite ISMRM posters that I saw in Toronto years ago was titled something like "a low-cost MRI-compatible communication system". It was really well written and you had to look at the photos to fully realize it was actually two Dixie cups connected by a string.
I'm pretty sure it was the 2008 ISMRM meeting (small chance it may have been 2003). I don't think it was actually submitted, because I couldn't find it in the proceedings even back then. I think whoever it was smuggled the poster into the hall and hung it among the others as a prank. I'm pretty sure the dead salmon fMRI poster was also there at the time but I can't remember if that was in the proceedings. The dead salmon fMRI did end up being published though and making quite a stir.
High-end headphone brand Audeze recently made an electrostatic headphone that works in MRI machines.[1] No air tubes needed and much better sound quality (and much more expensive).
I made the mistake of brining an episode of 99% Invisible to an MRI. The sound quality is so bad that you barely can't make out voices. It was excruciating to listen to something I could almost understand for that time.
I guess I'm old now because this style of headphone was present on every model of passenger aircraft in the sky when I was a young adult.
It worked perfectly! Until a stewardess caught me and made me stop.
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Pretty surprising to hear there's air/sound tubes rigged on to every seat on a plane.
Seems like the sound tubes ended in the 70's: https://apex.aero/articles/sound-tube-surprising-history-air...
Either because they didn’t want you to take their headphones from the plane, or so they could charge for use because you couldn’t just plug in your Walkman headphones.
Or both.
Either on the headphones themselves or in the little overwrap bag there was a note to leave them on the aircraft when you deplane, because they (obviously) wouldn’t work elsewhere.
I was still encountering them in the early '90s, although by that time they had become uncommon.
I'm 40-ish, and I remember them as a child, so they were definitely still kicking around in the mid to late 80s, most likely on KLM and Pan Am, that were the airlines of my childhood.
https://avidproducts.com/2023/12/08/celebrating-70-years-of-...
apparently the speaker was in the armrest.
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Not sure if that was the backup plane or they were just desperately holding out to upgrade the fleet.
Having said that anyone that flew just over 30 years ago would have likely used pneumatic headphones and watched on a shared pulled down theatre screen. It was the norm not that long ago.
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From this URL: https://avidproducts.com/2023/12/08/celebrating-70-years-of-...
This type of headphones are called pneumatic headphones.
Cost: one speaker and tubes was probably cheaper than 200.
Weight: old headphones were chunky, see above.
Comfort: not wearing giant chunky headphones you weren't accustomed to might have been preferable
Breakability: pneumatic headphones were harder to break, cheaper to replace
Stealability: passengers would have no reason to steal the headphones, and if they did it was cheap to replace.
All of these go away as proper headphones get increasingly small and cheap.
Even Andrew Huberman, one of the most popular health science podcasters, has dabbled into anti-EMF quackery. On one podcast he claimed that his Bluetooth headphones produced notable "heat effects", implying that the electromagnetic energy was enough to produce palpable heat in his body.
It's obviously placebo effect to the extreme (physically impossible given the amount of RF energy) but nevertheless he made the claim. Millions of people listen to that podcast.
Of course, people are catching on that Andrew Huberman isn't really a good source of scientific information (nor really a good person, given recent revelations) but the damage is done.
a) he's obviously done a LOT of steroids or something, which aren't really great for you
b) At least half of what he says appears to be made up woo-woo nonsense
And iPhone also had this in their Product Information Guide:
"When using iPhone near your body for voice calls or for wireless data transmission over a cellular network, keep iPhone at least 15 mm (5/8 inch) away from the body, and only use carrying cases , belt clips, or holders that do not have metal parts and that maintain at least 15 mm (5/8″) separation between iPhone and the body."
1. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S02697...
It it was at the speed of light we might have a problem.
In contrast, consider the glut of products involving magic nonsense about hematite beads or whatever.
[0] https://www.mriequip.com/store/pc/MRI-Non-Magnetic-Magnalarm...
https://tomlingham.com/articles/an-unfortunate-hierarchy-of-...
I find the exact opposite problem, I go with old faithful over new.
It's for this reason that when I put my clothes away I simply take the stack of clothes in my dresser out, put all the fresh stuff on the bottom, then put the clothes that were in the drawer stuff on top.
I always grab the top sweater, t-shirt socks etc and I don't think about it at all.
Your linked article confirms the semi-humorous statement just a day later.
There was a YouTuber (WhiteBoy7thSt if anyone is familiar) I watched over ten years ago now that came from very humble beginnings, and when he started to make real money, his first splurge (and one he stuck with) was new socks. When I say new socks, I mean new socks most days, maybe even a new pair for every day of the year. These were normal white socks, not any nice wool socks, so it was still fairly cheap, but when he grew up, they always had beaten, old socks.
it seems 99% of gift clothing has some sort of special care requirements.
I’ve seen most these things play out. And as you say, it’s exactly what the call bell is for.
Even non-ferromagnetic materials react to the high field strength, and to show that, they let me hold a ring of aluminum just outside the bore. You can feel it "snap" to either parallel or perpendicular to the table when you try to turn it. It was a surreal experience.
I looked it up afterwards and tungsten apparently as little to no magnetic effects, but depending on the amount of carbon used in it, it can.
Oversimplification: Moving a conductor in a magnetic field or vice versa indices current in the conductor , resistance in the conductor results in heat.
The main field in an MRI is static but there are a lot of other fields moving around…
Similar happens on your body also (eddy currents) and deeper tissue gets energy which has to be controlled for - it can cause stimulation in peripheral nerves and heating .
Whether or not it’s a conductor is probably more of a concern. The loop likely wouldn’t be large enough to cause any drama though.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S193004331...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wellness/2023/07/26/mri-yoga-...
Best practice for at least a decade is to always remove all rings and all jewelry and failure to detect rings or other jewelry is generally seen to indicate a problem in screening. That is... if a radiologist sees evidence of a ring on the images there better be an explanation. The reality is that particularly older people have not removed their rings in decades and their joint disease may have expanded so much that it simply cannot be removed and the risk/benefit doesn't justify damaging the ring nor denying them the benefits of a scan. But if the patient can't take the ring off, the magnet wont either.
Just for reference, people get head scans with braces pretty regularly and it's not considered a safety issue. Braces and rings can affect image quality though so that's usually the concern. So if the ring is near the body part being imaged you'd probably be asked to remove it because they'll easily cause undesired issues (in, say, roughly a 3-6inch radius) that can result in images that radiologists deem unusable for making a diagnosis.
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I found a bunch of posters here, but I could not find the exact one that you mentioned:
https://www.ismrm.org/19/program_files/DP02.htm
Maybe lost now? Or a different page?
[1]: https://www.audeze.com/blogs/audeze-journal/press-release-fo...
Very vague explanation of how they work, and that link in the middle - I suspect that is the entire point of the press release.
> The CRBN headphones are integrated into the Lumica AV system from SMRTImage that provides images and movies
Maybe you can get more info out of them: https://www.smrtimage.com/