agumonkey (u/agumonkey)

agumonkey commented on AI fatigue is real and nobody talks about it siddhantkhare.com/writing... · Posted by u/sidk24

parpfish · 17 hours ago

For me the fatigue is a little different— it’s the constant switching between doing a little bit of work/coding/reviewing and then stopping to wait for the llm to generate something.

The waits are unpredictable length, so you never know if you should wait or switch to a new task. So you just do something to kill a little time while the machine thinks.

You never get into a flow state and you feel worn down from this constant vigilance of waiting for background jobs to finish.

I dont feel more productive, I feel like a lazy babysitter that’s just doing enough to keep the kids from hurting themselves

agumonkey · 10 hours ago

Isn't that similar to the FSD issues where people cannot engage deeply enough because it's "FSD" but they still have to switch back a little, and sometimes go into crisis to avoid a wreck ?

agumonkey commented on How to effectively write quality code with AI heidenstedt.org/posts/202... · Posted by u/i5heu

samiv · 2 days ago

I feel the same. And I expect even a lot of the early adopters and AI enthusiasts are going to find themselves as the short end of the stick sooner than later.

"Oops I automated myself out a job".

agumonkey · 2 days ago

I've already seen this play out. The lazies in our floor were all crazy about AI because they could finally work few and finish their tasks. Until they realized that they were visibly replaceable now. The motto in team chats is "we'll lie about the productivity gains to management, just say 10% but with lots of caretaking" now

agumonkey commented on How to effectively write quality code with AI heidenstedt.org/posts/202... · Posted by u/i5heu

cyber_kinetist · 2 days ago

Actually for me it was the opposite: before I wasn't able to play around and experiment in my free time that much, because I didn't have enough energy left to actualize the thoughts and ideas I have since I have a day job.

Now, since the bottleneck of moving the fingers to write code has gone down, I actually started to enjoy doing side projects. The mental stress from writing code has gone down drastically with Claude Code, and I feel the urge to create more nowadays!

agumonkey · 2 days ago

you have a point.. i'm still confused about how this will affect jobs, markets

in a way a personal project is different from a job duty, here you're exploring, less if no deadline.. at work if I feel the llm is doing everything and I don't really master, i risk my job and my skills rot.

agumonkey commented on How to effectively write quality code with AI heidenstedt.org/posts/202... · Posted by u/i5heu

atentaten · 2 days ago

Can you provide links to these videos?

agumonkey · 2 days ago

This one is in french (hope you don't mind), https://youtu.be/4xq6bVbS-Pw?t=534 mentions the issues for students and other cognitive issues.

agumonkey commented on British drivers over 70 to face eye tests every three years bbc.com/news/articles/c20... · Posted by u/bookofjoe

agumonkey · 2 days ago

I wonder if there are non optical visual tests, like cognitive ability to perceive multiple details at once.

agumonkey commented on How to effectively write quality code with AI heidenstedt.org/posts/202... · Posted by u/i5heu

andhuman · 2 days ago

I have this nagging feeling I’m more and more skimming text, not just what the LLMs output, but all type of texts. I’m afraid people will get too lazy to read, when the LLM is almost always right. Maybe it’s a silly thought. I hope!

agumonkey · 2 days ago

there are some youtube videos about the topic, be it pupil in high school addicted to llms, or adults losing skills, and not dev only, society is starting to see strange effects

agumonkey commented on I'm going to cure my girlfriend's brain tumor andrewjrod.substack.com/p... · Posted by u/ray__

agumonkey · 2 days ago

best wishes..

some people do manage to cure their own disease sometimes.

agumonkey commented on How to effectively write quality code with AI heidenstedt.org/posts/202... · Posted by u/i5heu

sdf2erf · 2 days ago

So why havent you been fired already?

.......

agumonkey · 2 days ago

gemini has only been deployed in the corp this year, but the expectations are now higher (doubled). i'll report by the end of the year..

agumonkey commented on How to effectively write quality code with AI heidenstedt.org/posts/202... · Posted by u/i5heu

majormajor · 2 days ago

I wonder about who "anybody can now output something acceptable" will hit most - engineers or software entrepreneurs.

Any implementation moat around rapid prototyping, and any fundraising moat around hiring a team of 10 to knock out your first few versions, seems gone now. Trying to sell MVP-tier software is real hard when a bunch of your potential customers will just think "thanks for the idea, I'll just make my own."

The crunch for engineers, on the other hand, seems like that even if engineers are needed to "orchestrate the agents" and manage everything, there could be a feature-velocity barrier for the software that you can still sell (either internally or externally). Changing stuff more rapidly can quickly hit a point of limited ROI if users can't adjust, or are slowed by constant tooling/workflow churn. So at some point (for the first time in many engineers' career, probably) you'll probably see product say "ok even though we built everything we want to test, we can't roll it all out at once!". But maybe what is learned from starting to roll those things out will necessitate more changes continually that will need some level of staffing still. Or maybe cheaper code just means ever-more-specialized workflows instead of pushing users to one-size-fits-all tooling.

In both of those cases the biggest challenge seems to be "how do you keep it from toppling down over time" which has been the biggest unsolved problem in consumer software development for decades. There's a prominent crowd right now saying "the agents will just manage it by continuing to hack on everything new until all the old stuff is stable too" but I'm not sure that's entirely realistic. Maybe the valuable engineering skills will be putting in the right guardrails to make sure that behavioral verification of the code is a tractable problem. Or maybe the agents will do that too. But right now, like you say, I haven't found particularly good results in conceptualizing better solutions from the current tools.

agumonkey · 2 days ago

> your potential customers will just think "thanks for the idea, I'll just make my own."

yeah, and i'm surprised nobody talks about this much. prompting is not that hard, and some non software people are smart enough to absorb the necessary details (especially since the llm can tutor them on the way) and then let the loop produce the MVP.

> Or maybe cheaper code just means ever-more-specialized workflows instead of pushing users to one-size-fits-all tooling.

Interesting thought

agumonkey commented on How to effectively write quality code with AI heidenstedt.org/posts/202... · Posted by u/i5heu

stareatgoats · 2 days ago

Somehow I appreciate this type of attitude more than the one which reflects total denial of the current trajectory. Fervent denial and AI trash-talking being maybe the single most dominant sentiment on HN over the last year, by all means interspersed with a fair amount of amazement at our new toys.

But it is sad if good programmers should loose sight of the opportunities the future will bring (future as in the next few decades). If anything, software expertise is likely to be one of the most sought-after skills - only a slightly different kind of skill than churning out LOCs on a keyboard faster than the next person: People who can harness the LLMs, design prompts at the right abstraction level, verify the code produced, understand when someone has injected malware, etc. These skills will be extremely valuable in the short to medium term AFAICS.

But ultimately we will obviously become obsolete if nothing (really) catastrophic happens, but when that happens then likely all human labor will be obsolete too, and society will need to be organized differently than exchanging labor for money for means of sustenance.

agumonkey · 2 days ago

I get crazy over the 'engineer are not paid to write loc', nobody is sad because they don't have to type anymore. My two issues are it levels the delivery game, for the average web app, anybody can now output something acceptable, and then it doesn't help me conceptualize solution better, so I revert to letting it produce stuff that is not maleable enough.