It also uses the same directory structure, the exe lives in steamapps\common\counter strike global offensive\
That's because in previous CS games there's always a chunk of the community that wants to stay behind for whatever reason. Valve doesn't want anyone on CS:GO anymore, so they just updated all copies to CS2.
For what it's worth Dota 2 lives in \Dota 2 beta\ because they didn't want people to redownload the game after launch, and probably didn't want to break things by messing with paths for cosmetic reasons.
Oh wow interesting, so you can’t play cs:go anymore? IMO this is a good idea as the community didn’t want to move to source a while back (it was a bad game tho)
It's a little quirky indeed, as the newer version completely shuts out part of the player base: If you try to launch CS:GO on Mac, it automatically deletes itself and updates to CS2. Then it tells you that it can't run, because cs2.exe can't be found.
I had the same issue on Linux 4 hours ago, and then got a 37 GB update which fixed it. I think the update is just rolling out slower than the library page change that tells it to launch cs2.sh
This is as annoying as the Amazon listings that switch products. How am I supposed to know if the ratings and reviews are related to the new game or the old one?
Agreed, but it seems like they didn't want to split the community again - people are still playing the original Counter-Strike and Counter-Strike: Source as well and I suppose they didn't want people sticking with Counter-Strike: Global Offensive as well.
I wish I could get into this game, but I just can't. The difficulty curve isn't so much a curve as a wall (see also Dota 2) and there's weird (to me) things like you can't change ADS to "hold the right mouse button" instead of "click the right mouse button". The most I can do in it is play against some very dumb bots.
Hope it's a nice upgrade for the people who enjoy it! Good to see it has a native Linux build as well (I know all Valve games do, but in my experience native builds don't always work as well as the Windows versions under Proton).
Edit: I installed it and lo and behold they have an option to make aiming a hold vs toggle. Now the only barrier is my incredible lack of talent and skill.
getting better at this game requires fundamental lessons that are hard to communicate (like counter-strafing, how important it is to have good aim AND good movement). AKA level 1
and then there's the teamwork aspect (comms, strats, etc...) aka level 2
and then there's the game sense (counter-stratting, countering opponents bad habits) aka level 3
honestly the wall can be less intimidating if you work on your mechanics (level 1), which is the base of all of this
I probably wouldn't get past level 1! Despite playing FPS for decades at this point I've never been able to develop super accurate aiming. I'm good enough for vs CPU games (usually) but against humans I end up with around 5-10% accuracy.
Agree with these points, but at 1.5 I'd insert: intimate knowledge of the maps. "Holding angles" is such a profound advantage, and requires knowing the maps inside-and-out.
sometimes it's stuff that's just weird esoteric game mechanics - like for a very long time the distance you stand from a corner while peeking will determine if the enemy can see you before you see them. You will never learn that unless someone just tells you.
Just play fun games at your skill level, and/or play with friends. It’s all about having fun. Don’t try to get into competitive games right from the start. Or if you feel like you can, join a team at your level.
Oh no, I never meant to get into it competitively. I don't get much joy out of that. But it'd be nice to have a PvP shooter I could screw around in every so often. CoD kind of used to be that for me, but it's both gone in a direction I don't enjoy and doesn't work well on Linux due to anti-cheat.
Those help but they are definitely not required. CS is fundamentally a game about first aiming skill (which you have to train) and reflexes, and then with skill becomes a game about strategy and map knowledge. Obviously at the highest levels you're not getting very far on a $5 mouse and a 60FPS monitor but you can get about halfway up up the ranks before it starts being a problem.
Just mouse should be sufficient. Back in 2015 I managed to get up to DMG rank on Macbook with a decent Razer mouse.
Now you can get gaming mouse with a good sensor for ~20 eur.
I reccomend playing arms race to get good at the mechanics of it. Constant fighting, a lot of fun, and if you're not good at moving and aiming you'll get good because it's constant practice.
I've played the beta for about 30hrs. I'm really enjoying it.
The new grenades work so much better. Smokes can give you a small peek, flash grenades feel more fair, molotovs have the right mix of cluttering the view and preventing progress.
Also love small details lile the shading being very dull during the buy time, and likening up when the round starts.
The game feels very tight, and less likely to rely on exploits ("put the smoke on this pixel and crouch here so you can see them!") than before.
On a minor note, I wish Valve's reporting system was a bit more friendly. They could take some UX lessons or two from Overwatch.
Sorry to comment just on one singular aspect but...
85 GB of free storage listed as minimum system requirement?
Granted, I haven't seriously played any major games for at least 10 years I'd say. My occasional playing is limited in time and scope and usually involves reliving some old titles... is this really a new normal? We're also not talking about a big MMORPG with an incredibly wide world... Counter Strike is still a FPS you play on small maps right?
(edit: I just rechecked to make sure it doesn't say 8.5 GB, which would have also seemed a lot to me... I'm really getting old)
RAGE, a game from 2011 takes 25 GB, with compression and blurry graphics. DOOM (2016) is 55GB and Doom Eternal is 80GB.
The reason: huge textures, where every detail is unique and that look good up close. Let's say you map the world at a millimeter scale, let's a byte per mm2, 1GB is 1000m2, which is about the size of a typical backyard, small maps are bigger than that, have a bunch of them and you can get to tens of GB easily. Plus textures are not just colors. Normals, material properties, etc... are mapped to textures too.
I don't know how Counter-Strike 2 gets to 85GB, but if you want things to look good up close and avoid repetition you get these sizes. Also, storage is cheap, so if it makes the game look better, why not use it?
Halo Infinite is around 50gb but has compressed textures and audio so it can fit on a blueray disk for Xbox One (the third xbox). It's a very cookie-cutter game and also far far smaller on biomes compared to previous halo games (I think it's only 2-3: mountain grasslands, and desert on a multiplayer map, and interiors if together you want to call them a biome).
PC games will tend not to use compressed textures and audio so the games load faster (they don't need to spend time decompressing) so they can easily reach 85gb. Faster loads is more important in games where there are many matches.
Borderlands 3 and Call of Duty: Modern Warfare are about 135gb.
ARK is the poster child of unoptimized messes, though. It might be a bad example.
Someone hit me with the trivia: How big was Titanfall 1 initially, with its library of totally uncompressed audio for every localization in the base install?
Ark Survival Evolved ?
Base game should be around 135GB, and you don't have to install all the different maps at the same time since you won't be switching between them frequently.
If you want to run a dedicated server on top of that, those are around 25GB per map, so it is not that crazy I think.
High quality models, textures, animations and more takes a lot of space, like a lot a lot.
But, I just installed CS2 and I think it only downloaded about 20GB or so, that maybe decompresses to about 40GB in the end. Maybe someone else can verify what it ended up taking on disk?
That's a lot of high def textures, yep. Every (base) gun, user model, map. If you'd asked me over/under on 90 gigs I'd have really struggled to guess right.
Thanks for the number. Why do they inflate the disk space needed by a factor of ~2.5 I wonder...
I understand you would want to have some leeway so someone playing the game doesn't surpass the 'disk space required' within the first three days just because of a few additional maps/skins/textures downloaded while playing... but over 50 gb of leeway given an install size of 33.6 gb?
Maybe pointing towards something else about gaming I don't understand...
This has been an incredible year for gaming already but even more so for classic series. So far we've seen a new Zelda, Diablo, Final Fantasy, Balder's Gate and Counter-Strike come out. The last time this happened was back in 2000.
Sequels of sequels are hardly a good thing for gaming. Maybe I was spoiled, but in the '80s/'90s we'd get multiple genre- creating titles every year or so. As good as these sequels are, they're not creating any new genre.
Wasn't it easier to create new genres back when there weren't many yet? In the 80s you were lucky to get hundreds of games a decade. Now we get that in a week. But there are still many innovative indie games.
The sequels still sometimes offer cool things. BG3 is a very big change from BG2, as much as Divinity Original Sin is different from Divinity 2. It's not like the Calls of Duty.
But granted, that's an exception. Diablo 4 is a soulless cash grab. Payday 3 was a bust.
But there are still plenty of innovative games these days that create new or hybrid genres. Bridge Constructor. Portal. Slay the Spire. Frostpunk. Guitar Hero. Dead Cell. Firewatch. Braid. Human Fall Flat. Among Us. Superhot. Stanley Parable. Viewfinder. Rocket League. Surgeon Simulator. Overcooked. Soooo much more...
I wish FF[1] had fared better, but it was too late, especially with TF2 coming as an official title.
There is TF2C[2], but I have yet to try that one. Interestingly, it's still going strong with relatively recent content updates[3]. I'll give it a try, but at first pass, the gameplay appears to deviate too far towards TF2 and away from TFC.
I know that the Mac gaming crowd isn't huge but this bums me out. My MacBook Pro and MacBook Air were both completely sufficient for playing games when my gaming PC was inaccessible and CS was one of those games. It's a shame they seem to have killed it. :(
It ran via proton during beta but VAC did not allow playing on Valve servers. Now there is also a proper Linux version. Though I am not getting any sound for some reason. I'm sure there will be a fix soon.
Check audio settings. There are selection for audio output (Settings Menu -> Audio -> Audio Device). I didn't have any sound but selecting anything else than "Default Device" worked.
I love a numbered series but if you are going to use numbers, use them in sequence. This is Counter-Strike 5.
Counter-Strike (2000)
Counter-Strike: Condition Zero (2004)
Counter-Strike: Source (2005) (that one is a port to Source really)
Counter-Strike: Global Offensive (2012)
Counter-Strike 2 (2023)
I suppose this is not as bad as Battlefield 1, the tenth game in the Battlefield series... released after Battlefield 2, Battlefield 3, and Battlefield 4.
There's also Neo, Online, CS-CZ Deleted Scenes, and I'm sure I'm forgetting some, because I have bought the pack back the day, and it had like 6 titles.
Counter-Strike: Neo was an arcade game I think, Counter-Strike: Online (and Counter-Strike: Online Zombies) and Counter-Strike: Online 2 were both reworks for the Asian market, Deleted Scenes was the single player bundled with Condition Zero and off on a tangent was Tactical Intervention which was a similar game made by Counter-Strike's original creator.
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The developer in me find it weird that they didn't make a new database record for this internally.
That's because in previous CS games there's always a chunk of the community that wants to stay behind for whatever reason. Valve doesn't want anyone on CS:GO anymore, so they just updated all copies to CS2.
For what it's worth Dota 2 lives in \Dota 2 beta\ because they didn't want people to redownload the game after launch, and probably didn't want to break things by messing with paths for cosmetic reasons.
"SeniorThesisPresentation_Rev3_7.23.09_finalfinal_ReallyThisTime.ppt(2)" lives on.
The 'steamcmd' tool used to manage servers uses the same IDs.
The configs probably differ, that'll be fun. My client config seems to need updated, it's not executing.
Edit: For those with custom client configs, they used to go here, under the 'Counter-Strike Global Offensive' dir:
They now go here:Dead Comment
Hope it's a nice upgrade for the people who enjoy it! Good to see it has a native Linux build as well (I know all Valve games do, but in my experience native builds don't always work as well as the Windows versions under Proton).
Edit: I installed it and lo and behold they have an option to make aiming a hold vs toggle. Now the only barrier is my incredible lack of talent and skill.
and then there's the teamwork aspect (comms, strats, etc...) aka level 2
and then there's the game sense (counter-stratting, countering opponents bad habits) aka level 3
honestly the wall can be less intimidating if you work on your mechanics (level 1), which is the base of all of this
Oh well!
Dead Comment
The new grenades work so much better. Smokes can give you a small peek, flash grenades feel more fair, molotovs have the right mix of cluttering the view and preventing progress.
Also love small details lile the shading being very dull during the buy time, and likening up when the round starts.
The game feels very tight, and less likely to rely on exploits ("put the smoke on this pixel and crouch here so you can see them!") than before.
On a minor note, I wish Valve's reporting system was a bit more friendly. They could take some UX lessons or two from Overwatch.
85 GB of free storage listed as minimum system requirement?
Granted, I haven't seriously played any major games for at least 10 years I'd say. My occasional playing is limited in time and scope and usually involves reliving some old titles... is this really a new normal? We're also not talking about a big MMORPG with an incredibly wide world... Counter Strike is still a FPS you play on small maps right?
(edit: I just rechecked to make sure it doesn't say 8.5 GB, which would have also seemed a lot to me... I'm really getting old)
The reason: huge textures, where every detail is unique and that look good up close. Let's say you map the world at a millimeter scale, let's a byte per mm2, 1GB is 1000m2, which is about the size of a typical backyard, small maps are bigger than that, have a bunch of them and you can get to tens of GB easily. Plus textures are not just colors. Normals, material properties, etc... are mapped to textures too.
I don't know how Counter-Strike 2 gets to 85GB, but if you want things to look good up close and avoid repetition you get these sizes. Also, storage is cheap, so if it makes the game look better, why not use it?
Halo Infinite is around 50gb but has compressed textures and audio so it can fit on a blueray disk for Xbox One (the third xbox). It's a very cookie-cutter game and also far far smaller on biomes compared to previous halo games (I think it's only 2-3: mountain grasslands, and desert on a multiplayer map, and interiors if together you want to call them a biome).
PC games will tend not to use compressed textures and audio so the games load faster (they don't need to spend time decompressing) so they can easily reach 85gb. Faster loads is more important in games where there are many matches.
Borderlands 3 and Call of Duty: Modern Warfare are about 135gb.
ARK is about 250gb.
Someone hit me with the trivia: How big was Titanfall 1 initially, with its library of totally uncompressed audio for every localization in the base install?
But, I just installed CS2 and I think it only downloaded about 20GB or so, that maybe decompresses to about 40GB in the end. Maybe someone else can verify what it ended up taking on disk?
I understand you would want to have some leeway so someone playing the game doesn't surpass the 'disk space required' within the first three days just because of a few additional maps/skins/textures downloaded while playing... but over 50 gb of leeway given an install size of 33.6 gb?
Maybe pointing towards something else about gaming I don't understand...
The sequels still sometimes offer cool things. BG3 is a very big change from BG2, as much as Divinity Original Sin is different from Divinity 2. It's not like the Calls of Duty.
But granted, that's an exception. Diablo 4 is a soulless cash grab. Payday 3 was a bust.
But there are still plenty of innovative games these days that create new or hybrid genres. Bridge Constructor. Portal. Slay the Spire. Frostpunk. Guitar Hero. Dead Cell. Firewatch. Braid. Human Fall Flat. Among Us. Superhot. Stanley Parable. Viewfinder. Rocket League. Surgeon Simulator. Overcooked. Soooo much more...
Also I can’t comment much about Zelda but it seems comprable.
I wish FF[1] had fared better, but it was too late, especially with TF2 coming as an official title.
There is TF2C[2], but I have yet to try that one. Interestingly, it's still going strong with relatively recent content updates[3]. I'll give it a try, but at first pass, the gameplay appears to deviate too far towards TF2 and away from TFC.
Original Team Fortress fork
Any indication of Linux builds being available?
edit: Updated, looks to be the case!
Awesome, we get Linux on release - but not during testing.Same here, actually - no sound. I don't even see the application in pavucontrol; even though the game sees my devices, it doesn't claim them?