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mock-possum · 2 years ago
My fun little factoid about criticality is: sometimes it just happens naturally, on earth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_nuclear_fission_reacto...

> The natural nuclear reactor formed when a uranium-rich mineral deposit became inundated with groundwater, which could act as a moderator for the neutrons produced by nuclear fission. A chain reaction took place, producing heat that caused the groundwater to boil away; without a moderator that could slow the neutrons, however, the reaction slowed or stopped. The reactor thus had a negative void coefficient of reactivity, something employed as a safety mechanism in human-made light water reactors.

> After cooling of the mineral deposit, the water returned, and the reaction restarted, completing a full cycle every 3 hours. The fission reaction cycles continued for hundreds of thousands of years and ended when the ever-decreasing fissile materials, coupled with the build-up of neutron poisons, no longer could sustain a chain reaction.

What a wild story!

Terr_ · 2 years ago
Interestingly, the -oid suffix usually refers to things that only resemble the thing, so an andr-oid is not really a man, a meteor-oid is not really a meteor, and fact-oid... might not really be a fact.

However the really amusing bit is that that everybody can agree--for different reasons--that:

> Here is a factoid: A factoid is a small fact.

danielbln · 2 years ago
The correct word would be a factlet, but factoid has been defacto taken its place. The fluidity of language, I suppose.
cafard · 2 years ago
My recollection from many years ago is that Norman Mailer coined "factoid" to refer that what looked like facts, were offered as facts, but weren't facts.
JadeNB · 2 years ago
Similarly, 'factitious' sounds like it should be an antonym to 'fictitious', but it very much isn't. And 'factious' is another thing entirely.
adrian_b · 2 years ago
Yes, the -oid suffix is cognate with words like video and vision, referring to sight, so X-oid means something that looks like X.
taneq · 2 years ago
The letter u is a void. ;)
defrost · 2 years ago
It was a different time then

    approximately 1.7 billion years ago, during the Statherian period of the Paleoproterozoic, and continued for a few hundred thousand years, probably averaging less than 100 kW of thermal power during that time.

danparsonson · 2 years ago
At least we now know how early life kept their devices charged.
fastneutron · 2 years ago
Nuclear criticality safety was one of my favorite courses back during my nuclear engineering degree. The failure modes, like the article mentions, can be incredibly non-intuitive. Swirling vortices, firefighting foam, and even the mere presence of a human body can lead to a fatal power excursion. A lot of complex computational modeling and simulation goes into determining safety limits for fissile systems, as well as a lot of sheer imagination.

The most important thing I took away from that experience is the concept of engineered compliance. People will break administrative rules and regulations all the time if they get int the way of work, so you need to engineer the physical system to account for that (e.g. flat or skinny geometry, or lots of neutron absorbers). This can apply to any compliance activity related to safety and security, so the lessons are universal.

Los Alamos published a good survey on various worldwide criticality accidents (PDF): https://www.nrc.gov/docs/ML0037/ML003731912.pdf. Worth a read for all the various ways things can go wrong.

jiggawatts · 2 years ago
> People will break administrative rules and regulations all the time if they get in the way of work

The example I like to use is that the more paperwork you require for something like "obtain an internal use certificate for API endpoints" then the direct consequence will be less encryption of internal API endpoints.

Note that I didn't say "there may be", or "I predict that". No. It's a guaranteed consequence, like gradient descent making AIs better at meeting loss function. Except that it's gradient ascent, and you're making it steeper and expecting people to climb harder instead of just going around your pointless obstacle.

"More paperwork" -> "Less security"

"Less paperwork" -> "More security"

Choose.

hilbert42 · 2 years ago
"More paperwork" -> "Less security"

"Less paperwork" -> "More security"

That's almost an axiom in some circumstances but with criticality accidents there's a difference—first, the stakes don't get much higher, at close quarters death's a certainty and it's about as unpleasant as it gets; second, it's all over and irreversible in milliseconds.

There is no time to think, the body-brain reaction time is far too slow to take corrective action no matter how effective it may be when deployed.

That's different to giving consideration to a course of action based on the difficulty of obstacles in one's way—choosing the path of least resistance, etc.

The issues with that infamous photo are different, there was no obvious logical if decision to be made—it was all very straightforward, lay the Pu out and photograph it. The problems, however, are multifold: (a) those involved didn't have sufficient understanding of the possible consequences (of the physics involved), (b) they were poorly trained in safety procedures, and (c), the work environment wasn't 'engineered' to ensure compliance—that is, nothing stopped them from doing it.

As I pointed out in my earlier post, training is crucial and it cannot be just theoretical. When the stakes are this high training has to be ingrained to such a degree that certain procedures are automatic, similarly, dangerous situations don't just become obvious after thinking about them, they are so the instant the brain responds. For instance, one recognizes the danger as quickly as one would if one tripped over a snake.

That's what the military does with training, one automatically reacts to a situation with the correct response without thinking. And that takes practice until one's perfect.

It works, it's a damn long time since I did any military training and I can stil carry out certain actions and procedures I learned decades ago and do so automatically and without a moment's thought. The people who set up and took those photos should have been trained to a similar level of discipline.

formerly_proven · 2 years ago
Another typical example is charging internal applications for IDPs, guess what, people are just gonna use LDAP/AD directly, at a not-so-small detriment to application and user security.

These are things where cost center accounting just plainly hurts the company. (There are many cases where it works well and aligns incentives).

AnimalMuppet · 2 years ago
Same thing with problem reports and maintenance requests. The more work you make them, the more people will put up with things that kind of halfway work. That's bad for the productivity of the organization as a whole, though, no matter whether the more cumbersome process makes things more convenient for IT or management or auditors.
pixl97 · 2 years ago
That's why you monitor and block every non encrypted API as quickly as possible.
killjoywashere · 2 years ago
This is a good place to add to the reading list: strongly recommend Command and Control as well, by Eric Schlosser: https://www.amazon.com/Command-Control-Damascus-Accident-Ill...
hilbert42 · 2 years ago
It should not have been possible for that photo to have been taken anytime or anywhere since 1946, even during Manhattan with war deadlines it should not have been possible. That it was and as late as 2011 is of grave concern. Frankly, I find it very difficult to fathom.

Years ago when I approached my first reading of the full accounts of Slotin and Daghlian I did so as with any other info, since then I have forced myself to reread them several times as a reminder—as both the accounts and photos are grim. They ought to be part of compulsory safety training for anyone vaguely associated with the nuclear game.

Perhaps, as part of that training there should be more acting out roles with dummy materials similar to military exercises where adjudicators tag one as dead for making a 'lethal' mistake and can play no further role in the exercise. This may seem trite but it's not, being forced to play dead on the battlefield whilst the exercise continues because of one's incompetence is both formative and embarrassing (I speak from experience).

Moreover, like military training, the exercises should be practiced until one's actions are automatic.

That said, such training ought to be a second-line defense—as fastneutron rightly points out—as such work environments ought to be engineered to force compliance.

nerdponx · 2 years ago
Is the problem that plutonium doesn't look particularly scary on its own? It's just a chunk of gray metal. It's not fuming, it's not warm (I assume), it's not glowing, it's not particularly ugly, it's not a bright color. Very few people have experienced radiation poisoning and have a visceral understanding of the horror involved. None of our self-preservation instincts understand the danger.
HPsquared · 2 years ago
It's probably a bit like handling electric wiring. It doesn't look dangerous, until you short the terminals together or touch a high voltage contact.
hilbert42 · 2 years ago
Your question implies I've firsthand experience working with the stuff but that isn't so. It's true I've worked in the nuclear industry and keeping the stuff safe and out of harm's way was in my job description but I wasn't alone, many hundreds of us were (and are) involved in doing so. Luckily there were people between me and those who worked with the stuff and I'm very happy about that.

Still, you're right it's a silvery gray metal much like many others that oxidizes quickly in air to give it that dullish look. If you were to pick it up you'd notice it's very dense. It's marginally heavier than gold by about 0.5g/cc^3 at about 19.8g/cc^3. That it looks so boring could easily generate complacency when handling it.

Edit: the 238 isotope is much more radioactive than 239, so much so it'd be hot to touch. But you'd be mad to do so.

cyberax · 2 years ago
Weapons grade plutonium is slightly warm to touch.
jacquesm · 2 years ago
That's a nice example of the prevention paradox at work. You do your work well. Nothing happens for a while. You get laid off. Then eventually something happens...
2rsf · 2 years ago
A senior software tester here, welcome to my life
el_oni · 2 years ago
We hate you when the bug reports roll in, but appreciate you when the product ships in a much cleaner state
tetufiion · 2 years ago
And that's why you shouldn't just be testing manually but you should be writing automated tests that run again and again, even long after you have moved on.
mnw21cam · 2 years ago
If ever there was the need for Chesterton's Fence, this is it.
jacquesm · 2 years ago
It looks like amount wise they got lucky. I wonder how they were transported for that photograph. And whether or not the person that made it knew how far away from something really bad they were. That gives me the creeps.
doingtheiroming · 2 years ago
It’s worth reading about refineries and chemical plants. We’ve all heard of Bhopal and other disasters but it’s worth bearing in mind just how few disasters happen in these fearsomely complex and dangerous plants. Almost all are managed successfully by the private sector.

There was an interview with Jim Radcliffe recently in which he described Ineos’ approach to safety. It’s a variation on what’s described my Steven J. Spears in his case study of Alcoa. The truth is that the private sector has innovated much of what’s best in modern safety practice in a way that has made monumentally dangerous industrial processes routine.

There are perhaps good reasons to keep nuclear weapons management in the public sector. Canards about the safety record of the private sector are not though.

vanderZwan · 2 years ago
> Almost all are managed successfully by the private sector.

Yes, because of a mix government regulations forcing them to not cut too many corners for the sake of saving expenses, and people like the author of the article pushing back against higher-ups who try to do so anyway.

Let's not pretend that workers didn't die needlessly in factory fires a century ago because the factory owners locked the doors.

dmbche · 2 years ago
The Bends were discovered when mysteriously, during the construction of the Brooklyn bridge, the underwater welders kept dying when coming out of the water.

After scientists found what happened and saturation diving was theorised - companies kept their protocols of not decompressing when coming back, and kept killing their divers.

jiggawatts · 2 years ago
It's not just government regulations. It's also a functioning judiciary and legal system where individuals can sue corporations and win.

As a random example where a non-functioning judiciary resulted in a catastrophe, take a look at the 2020 Beirut port explosion, which a lot of people saw coming a mile off, but were unable to do anything about because of inept and corrupt judges that couldn't make a decision.

Loic · 2 years ago
For the chemical plants and refineries, I really recommend looking at the videos of the CSB[0]. They are doing postmortem analysis of all the majors incidents in the US. They are extremely well done.

[0]: https://www.csb.gov/ U.S. Chemical Safety Board

Titan2189 · 2 years ago
Agreed, I've been subscribed for years

https://www.youtube.com/@USCSB

dmbche · 2 years ago
You made me realise that Canada does not seem to have something similar - we just have a transportation safety bureau that handles trains, pipelines and the likes. And the Titan thing that happened a few weeks back.

I'm a little worried.

sergioisidoro · 2 years ago
I mean, there are incidents in refineries and plants. It's just hard to know how common they are because many go unreported or just don't reach wide public knowledge.

Eg. Y12 criticality incident - https://youtu.be/HaOc8FhMdWc

hgomersall · 2 years ago
It's a shame they don't apply the same concern for safety to their externalities.
superchroma · 2 years ago
Seeing as we still see tiktoks of mud-covered men manually assembling or dissembling drilling equipment with no PPE, (intended to goad women about how the genders are unequal), I think additional government scrutiny can't hurt in this space.
meibo · 2 years ago
I get this same feeling when looking at some of the code people commit the day before a release.
The_Colonel · 2 years ago
The solution to that problem is to release every day. I'm not even kidding.
makapuf · 2 years ago
Critical staging code amount. Like that.
quickthrower2 · 2 years ago
And release branches. Commit away to main all you like!
belter · 2 years ago
Probably pushed by some recently rotated manager or new CEO dropped out of a recent acquisition...sometimes the code pushes the system over critically, sometimes it's just a code broken arrow event. Something to tell in the privacy of your next off the record interview or in your biography...
fouc · 2 years ago
Guess that doesn't apply to places with peer code reviews & continuous integration and continuous delivery/deployment (CI/CD).
avgcorrection · 2 years ago
It doesn't for release but it does for merging things to the main branch and seeing if it fails or not (cf. “not rocket science”[1]).

[1] https://graydon.livejournal.com/186550.html

sriku · 2 years ago
Deadly nightshade as in this? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solanum_nigrum

Is there a specific variety the author knows that's toxic? ... Because this (manathakkali or "fragrant tomato") features in South Indian cuisine and is rather yummy.

samwillis · 2 years ago
Nope, this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atropa_belladonna

> Atropa belladonna, commonly known as belladonna or deadly nightshade, is a toxic perennial herbaceous plant in the nightshade family Solanaceae

> The foliage and berries are extremely toxic when ingested, containing tropane alkaloids. These toxins include atropine, scopolamine, and hyoscyamine, which cause delirium and hallucinations

When I was a kid my Dad spotted it growing in my school grounds...

tleb_ · 2 years ago
This Wikipedia page mentions the following, with a link to the toxic plant that is probably described by the article author:

> Sometimes S. nigrum is confused for the more toxic deadly nightshade (Atropa belladonna)

Ginger-Pickles · 2 years ago
Detailed article on this and other criticality incidents: https://www.science.org/content/article/near-disaster-federa...