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bbbbzzz1 · 3 years ago
The admin bloat ought to be cut in order to qualify for federal student loans.

I'm always baffled how much tuition was at my public university, yet teacher and TA salaries are so low. It's like everything except academics attached itself to drain money from students

lotsofpulp · 3 years ago
The more effective and quicker and cheaper solution is to get rid of taxpayer funded student loans. The bloat will disappear immediately.
xvedejas · 3 years ago
Indeed, much of the recently new administrative office space at my university was dedicated to workers tasked with securing funding. I imagine some combination of grant writing, lobbying, and compliance work?
shjake · 3 years ago
Or just cap them?
egberts1 · 3 years ago
Funded with bloats caused by student loans, many ex-politicians find their job as college administrators.

Cut that lifeline. Then it will revert back to the usual alumni fundraiser cycles for new teaching buildings.

Eddy_Viscosity2 · 3 years ago
If the top executives of the university aren't making 10s of millions of dollars, then it can't be a very good university. We should pay them more, much more, as its the only way to improve post-secondary education.

There should only be a single tenured faculty position and every one else is an adjunct or post-doc who gets paid $500 to teach a course. These adjuncts and post-docs have to work very hard for decades for a chance to be considered on the list to replace the tenured prof when they retire. Think the money that can then be directed to the university president and all the acclaim and prestige that high salary will give to institution. This is the only way forward.

readthenotes1 · 3 years ago
that works for companies too! Imagine how much better run they are now than in the '60s when CEOs only got 12x worker salaries.

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baron816 · 3 years ago
It’s amazing how the narrative around college has changed in the last few years. We often talk about government policy changes to do stuff like prevent kids from having to deal with college debt. But its presence in the pubic discourse can push kids to seek alternatives to taking those loans.
tacker2000 · 3 years ago
Between the high tuition fees, the amount of unnecessary or useless degrees and the wokification of nearly all of the admin body, I can see how people are choosing alternatives.

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peapicker · 3 years ago
Fire many of the deep layers Of administrators and get back to teaching.
swagasaurus-rex · 3 years ago
The teachers have been getting the short end of the stick for a long time now.

I remember a highschool teacher saying the students were never the reason she was frustrated. It was the administration.

emodendroket · 3 years ago
This idea sounds a lot more appealing when nobody has to specify which services they think should be cut.
CalRobert · 3 years ago
Everything athletic.
throwawaysleep · 3 years ago
This works for now, but what happens next recession when all those degree requirements return?

This isn't meant as judgemental, but people only employable due to the labour shortage and only accepted into their field due to the labour shortage are also the people who will struggle most come a lack of a labour shortage.

dannyw · 3 years ago
Those who have work experience usually skip degree requirements.
diggernet · 3 years ago
In some companies. Then there are others...

I know someone who has been acting as her boss's replacement since her boss left the company. But the company refuses to promote her into that job because she doesn't have a degree. 20 years of employment with the company, plus demonstrated ability by actively doing the boss's job, doesn't count as much as an old piece of paper.

To emphasize: This company has a degree requirement not just for hiring inexperienced candidates (of unknown quality), but also for promoting experienced employees (of known quality). Stupidest thing I've ever seen.

zxcvbn4038 · 3 years ago
I found that the first two years of college were basically a repeat of my final year of high school, done to get everyone coming from different high schools around the nation to the same level. There was a semester class on how to use the library, in geography I colored a map of the United States and was tested on state capitals, business class covered supply and demand for those not exposed to the concept previously, the history of the world ended in 1945 because everything after was too controversial to discuss in a state funded school - same as in grade school and high school. Then I ran out of money, so I left, and I never looked back.

Overall college was a waste - more useful for atheists to get married then anything else. In the age of tender and online dating maybe it’s not even good for that.

My advice to people is just leave, get an entry level IT job, start getting experience. You will be working next to people who have six figures of college debt, but unless you tell them they will likely never know. I’m happy to tell them which school I went to if it comes up in conversation, I just omit the part that I left without obtaining a degree.

In the beginning I got turned down for loans occasionally because I didn’t obtain a degree, but no bank has asked my educational background since the 90s.

Of course if you want a non-IT job like practicing law then this may not work because many state bars require a regular college degree in addition to everything else and there is no flexibility. Same with anything medical that doesn’t involve hair exclusively.

JamesAdir · 3 years ago
The cycle is already known - good economy less enrollment for colleges. Bad economy more enrollment. Would better wait for 2023 data.
Overtonwindow · 3 years ago
Between the absurd cost and administrative bloat of universities, to the severe decline in the quality of the education at most universities, maybe this will be a wake up call