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dustintrex · 4 years ago
For comparison, alcohol is well known to have a dramatic impact on both sperm and testosterone production once you exceed a fairly modest threshold (5 drinks/week):

https://pathfertility.com/how-does-alcohol-affect-male-ferti...

kwdc · 4 years ago
Those phytoestrogens play some interesting games. As does a liver with damage caused by alcohol. Add to this the irony of all the advertising around beer being a predominantly "man's drink" and it gets even more interesting.
krageon · 4 years ago
> fairly modest

> 5 drinks/week

This makes me wonder strongly what you would consider a significant amount of alcohol consumption, because 5 drinks/week seems like a huge amount to me already.

rozab · 4 years ago
Where on earth do you live? Looking at some stats, that number was the average for the UAE in 2016. At this time it was illegal to drink without a license, and Muslims could not obtain these at all.
dekhn · 4 years ago
significant is more like 5 drinks/day, not /week
agumonkey · 4 years ago
Biking too
dumbfoundded · 4 years ago
Hot tubs are the closest thing we have to male birth control.
sydthrowaway · 4 years ago
People who have ED need to read this.
LargoLasskhyfv · 4 years ago
Why? An erection is just a natural delivery mechanism, no measure of healthy, or rather fertile sperm. Besides that Weed tends to give me a real hard boner.

So I don't get your point?

froh · 4 years ago
What does ED stand for?
iammisc · 4 years ago
5 drinks/week is a lot.
dustintrex · 4 years ago
It's not a huge figure though: a glass of wine with dinner most nights, or a couple of brewskis with boys on Fri & Sat night. For men, the bar for "heavy" drinking is 15+ drinks/week.
gremloni · 4 years ago
Not even remotely. That’s less than a drink a day.
DeathArrow · 4 years ago
I'm not sure my kids would agree with that.
elmomle · 4 years ago
Anecdotes are irrelevant when discussing large-scale statistical trends.
dustymcp · 4 years ago
Haha my thought exactly
mpfundstein · 4 years ago
+1
cmckn · 4 years ago
The important bit:

> Current research suggests that cannabis may negatively impact male fertility. Further studies are needed to validate that robust findings in animal models will carry over into human experience.

My takeaway: if you are having trouble reproducing, and/or your doctor finds some anomalies in a full fertility workup, you may want to talk about your marijuana use with them. That's about it.

rusk · 4 years ago
> to our knowledge these results have not yet been replicated in human studies
neonate · 4 years ago
If you read that in context, it's clear that the qualification only applies to some of the results they're reporting:

The strongest evidence of cannabis induced alterations in male fertility is in the category of semen parameters. Research supports a role for cannabis in reducing sperm count and concentration, inducing abnormalities in sperm morphology, reducing sperm motility and viability, and inhibiting capacitation and fertilizing capacity. Animal models demonstrate a role for cannabis in testicular atrophy, and reduced libido and sexual function but to our knowledge these results have not yet been replicated in human studies.

"These results" clearly refers to the animal model studies they mention later, so that caveat does not apply to the "strongest evidence" they lead with, about sperm motility and viability, etc. At least not to judge by the abstract.

cmckn · 4 years ago
Yup, this is just a literature review and there have been no human studies on this specific scenario.
actually_a_dog · 4 years ago
> My takeaway: if you are having trouble reproducing, and/or your doctor finds some anomalies in a full fertility workup, you may want to talk about your marijuana use with them. That's about it.

You should discuss all use of non-prescribed drugs with your doctor on a routine basis.

cmckn · 4 years ago
Absolutely; in my experience, they always ask (you probably won't have to be the one that brings it up). Healthcare is expensive, at least get your money's worth!
jallasprit · 4 years ago
In Norway, admitting usage of recreational cannabis to your doctor is likely to result in your driver's license being suspended as they are known to forward the information on to police.
14 · 4 years ago
Do you not worry about buying life insurance and then asking for your medical history and then denying coverage or increased premiums?
keyle · 4 years ago
Are we really doping animals to find out that potheads can't reproduce as easily? To what benefit?
xcambar · 4 years ago
Medical and therapeutic marijuana has a wide range of benefits, from depression to Parkinson to glaucoma.

Since your understanding of marijuana usage seems limited to recreational usage and you pejoratively call the consumers "potheads", I'd suggest you turn to the scientific literature, conclusively applied as policy in a growing number of countries, and confront your views to what you'd read.

dumbfoundded · 4 years ago
To be frank, you sound pretty ignorant with this comment. I'm sure you didn't intend such but any modern perspective puts weed as a safer alternative to alcohol and a social indulgence used by many extremely successful people. This also ignores all of the medical uses which alone make it worth studying.
zxcvbn4038 · 4 years ago
I think this explains the sudden rush to legalize marijuana - if you can’t jail the pot heads then keep them from breeding! Solves multiple problems and so simple I’m surprised Nixon didn’t do this in the 70s.
vmception · 4 years ago
In most recreationally legal states, the legalization laws came from direct democracy with the people who would not be involved with any convoluted goal aside from the stated goal on the ballot. There is nothing a governor or representative could do.

The people decided that jail was a counterproductive public policy measure and the people decided that the supply chain could be controlled to protect consumers.

This concept will likely to be extended to most of the schedule, a new framework is necessary as prohibition is being repealed, again.

goldenshale · 4 years ago
Yeah, when we wanted to have a kid I quit cannabis and hot-tubbing for 6 months in anticipation of conceiving. It worked, and she's healthy! Sample size of 1, but it felt like kind of a nice way to commit to a family and get in the proper head space anyways.
devnull3 · 4 years ago
> hot-tubbing

How does this affect fertility?

loeg · 4 years ago
Regular exposure to hot water (baths or hot tubs) is a somewhat reliable male birth control.[1]

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat-based_contraception

op00to · 4 years ago
The hot water cooks your balls. There’s a reason they dangle outside the thermal mass of your body.
cmckn · 4 years ago
Tangential addendum: I used to smoke pot all the time. From my mid-teens to mid-twenties. At least once a day, increasing over time to 3-5-∞ times a day. In the last year, I have significantly reduced my marijuana usage to less than once a week. My mental health has benefitted tremendously (also thanks to a great therapist!). I sleep better, I eat less shitty food, I enjoy sex more, I feel overall more equipped to handle my daily life and be an adult. I only date people of the same sex, so standard reproduction isn't a big concern for me; but if you're a pothead like I was (am?)--there's a lot more to reflect on than your sperm count. :)
gremIin · 4 years ago
> I only date people of the same sex

I initially read that as a side effect of not smoking weed anymore.

cmckn · 4 years ago
hahahaha! In which case, can't recommend it enough!
dumbfoundded · 4 years ago
I think a lot of pro cannabis people are out of balance with viewing the negative side effects. It's a drug and has side-effects. It's much safer than tobacco and alcohol but it certainly has side effects including a strong psychological addiction potential.
rpmisms · 4 years ago
We don't have a mature culture around cannabis usage. Alcohol has this benefit, and we have some social norms on how to enjoy it. A big one is the "don't drink before 5" adage. Norms like this for weed will develop in time, I'm sure.
cyberpsybin · 4 years ago
Smoking cannabis 8 times a day in not being "pro" cannabis. Not wanting to get incarcerated for life for possession of few grams of a plant is "pro" cannabis.
medo-bear · 4 years ago
i don't understand this cannabis-is-safer-than-alcohol myth. for example, i know people that have an extremely low mental tolerance for cannabis while functioning completely normal on a bottle of beer a day. also, i think that it is fairly well known that cannabis has a worrying correlation with schizophrenia [0]

[0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7442038/

agumonkey · 4 years ago
Maybe a blend of low psychoactive cannabinoids + some THC could become a better norm.
agumonkey · 4 years ago
All things have negatives when overdone.

When my cousin stopped cold turkey, his speech/thoughts pace was a solid 50% up. It was surreal.

cmclaughlin · 4 years ago
Counter point - Bob Marley had 12 kids
kumarvvr · 4 years ago
There is an exception to every rule.

It just might be that BM was having a lot more sex than the average guy.

Probability alone would account for 12 (or 22) children.

lotsofpulp · 4 years ago
Quality could also have been affected.
monetus · 4 years ago
There is some debate there apparently. I once heard a wailer say that it was actually 22, but checking wikipedia it says 11.
blitzar · 4 years ago
He only had 12 kids.

The rate he went through groupies I would expect 100+

superdisk · 4 years ago
Weed was a lot less potent back then.
cudgy · 4 years ago
Probably not the stuff Bob Marley was smoking.
adminscoffee · 4 years ago
interestingly enough it actually increases testosterone
op00to · 4 years ago
Cool, do fast food or alcohol next!
amanaplanacanal · 4 years ago
Or plastic exposure. But I’m not sure how you would find a control group.
xer0x · 4 years ago
How to tell your brother to stop spending money on fertility treatment without telling your brother to stop smoking weed?