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adamsvystun · 4 years ago
Funnily enough the biggest offender of Cumulative Layout Shift (CLS) metric in my daily life is google search with its "people also search for" feature that causes me to constantly misclick.

Lighthouse is great though :)

bobbylarrybobby · 4 years ago
And some PM is probably looking at those misclicks and seeing “engagement”
mimsee · 4 years ago
And on mobile Google likes to switch the order of the nav buttons: "All, Images, Maps" to "All, Maps, Images" depending on the search query.
stefanfisk · 4 years ago
They do that on desktop as well, and I hate them for it. For anyone who's never noticed it, try googling "backpack" and then "backpacker".
gempir · 4 years ago
I tried so many ways to avoid that "feature" but they keep changing their implementation every few weeks.

It's super frustrating.

This is my current uBlock filter against it, I think it still works?

google.com#?#div:has( > div > div > h4:-abp-contains(People also))

tootie · 4 years ago
I'm guessing google search doesn't care about SEO
johtso · 4 years ago
This trips me up at least a few times a week. Infuriating!

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polyvisual · 4 years ago
ha, yes, absolutely. That shift of content is beyond frustrating.
dmix · 4 years ago
Curious how HN itself stands now.
rozenmd · 4 years ago
manojlds · 4 years ago
Why? HN is one of the most bare bones and barely usable sites.
jffry · 4 years ago
It's good to see that they've added a Content-Security-Policy related test. I checked and Lighthouse 8.0.0 still penalizes you on "best practices" if your CSP does not allow inline styles.

Something that Lighthouse injects for testing tap-targets has inline styles, and Chrome will log a warning to the console, and Lighthouse penalizes you for that: https://github.com/GoogleChrome/lighthouse/issues/11862

hoten · 4 years ago
This admittedly slipped our minds. We'll be sure to fix this for the next release. Thanks for the reminder.
jffry · 4 years ago
Thanks! It's not a huge issue, just moderately amusing. Thanks for the work on Lighthouse.
CalChris · 4 years ago
The title's use of V8 is misleading because Google uses the name V8 to refer to its Javascript engine. It should be v8.0.0.
Possiblyheroin · 4 years ago
This is so exhausting, infuriating and perplexing.

Just 1 week after managing to claw our LightHouse score up to 90 - its shot back down 72. The arbitrary nature of their weighting is just tiring - and its compounded by the fact that noone actually knows how much this actually impacts SEO.

IMTDb · 4 years ago
Looks to me that you are not. using Lighthouse for the right reasons.

Lighthouse isn't there to improve your SEO. It's just a set of heuristics that make you website performance - as perceived by end users - measurable, and thus improvable. They add a quantitative score on a very qualitative process.

If you clawed your Lighthouse score to 90, you should have improved your end users experience, and that's what matters. Your score shot back down to 72, you know have new areas to investigate, super cool ! Your SEO will not suddenly improve or worsen due to this change. If you don't, however, address the new advices given by Lighthouse over a long period of time, other websites will, and their UX will be better than yours. And your SEO will reflect that. But that's the game with technology: over time, technology evolves, requirements change, and expectations shift.

rhdunn · 4 years ago
Google's Web Vitals page tracks things like Cumulative Layout Shift (CLS), First Contentful Paint (FCP), and Largest Contentful Paint (LCP). -- All of those metrics are visible in the Performance tab and are recorded by lighthouse.

From [1]: "The first reason is that cumulative layout shift will become a ranking factor in May 2021."

[1] https://huckabuy.com/2020/12/30/introduction-to-cumulative-l...

katzgrau · 4 years ago
> Your score shot back down to 72, you know have new areas to investigate, super cool !

I generally do not find it "super cool" when I suddenly/unexpectedly have new areas to investigate.

In most cases, the developer dealing with lighthouse scores is someone who just built a website to a client's spec, only to find out that there are things that it flags which are very time consuming to deal with. Set expectations all you want, but they want a near 100%.

To do all that work only for the score to drop later makes you as a developer look bad. A client who doesn't know any better will suspect you did faulty work.

topicseed · 4 years ago
All the publishers I know (being one myself) only care about CWV for SEO.
pupppet · 4 years ago
Google needs to market Lighthouse to only developers. No good comes from your customers running these tests.
madeofpalk · 4 years ago
Is there any indication that Lighthouse affects SEO at all?
synthmeat · 4 years ago
When it completely rolls out during this month, it's going to be tie-breaker which, supposedly, happens a lot more often than people think.

Additionally, it's not the Lighthouse score that you need to worry about, but WebVitals (FID, LCP, CLS) and only that for Field data, if your main concern is SEO.

Lighthouse is just a general tool that can hint you at performance issues.

rozenmd · 4 years ago
Your performance affects SEO, and people take the Performance Score as measured by Google Lighthouse to be a proxy for how Googlebot will rank their site.

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rozenmd · 4 years ago
If you're running Google Lighthouse manually, you might want to check out a tool I'm building - https://OnlineOrNot.com - it automatically monitors your page speed (as well as uptime, and soon Puppeteer checks). It uses Google Lighthouse v8.0.0 as of this morning (Australian time).

We have a free tier with no time limit or credit card required, if you want to check it out.

httgp · 4 years ago
Thanks for building it! I use it on my personal website and it’s been really good.
rozenmd · 4 years ago
Thanks!
shmoogy · 4 years ago
Still haven't received my magic link :-(
rozenmd · 4 years ago
Hey, looks like Mailgun is having an outage - any chance you have a gmail account you can try it with?
Aissen · 4 years ago
It seems Accessibility measurement broke on web.dev/measure (the report mentions lighthouse 8.0.0):

Background and foreground colors have a sufficient contrast ratio - Error!

axe-core Error: Cannot read property 'filter' of undefined

This website had ~80 in accessibility before.

Edit: this issue was known before release: https://github.com/GoogleChrome/lighthouse/issues/11384

hoten · 4 years ago
All of the reported URLs showing this issue no longer do, in the latest version of Lighthouse or on web.dev. Can you provide the URL (either here or in that issue) for which you still get this error? Thanks!
Aissen · 4 years ago
Sure. Just commented on the bug report.
hobbescotch · 4 years ago
Not sure if it's just me, but the Lighthouse CLI is so buggy that I've resorted to setting to up to run in a docker container so that it doesn't crash when trying to load certain sites/configurations. Hope that they work on improving stability at some point. That being said, kudos to the team on the release, I'm sure this is a challenging project to work on!
disasterkitsltd · 4 years ago
Ironically I've found the CLI to be the only stable channel of Lighthouse. What do you see that docker fixes?
hobbescotch · 4 years ago
Fixes this issue basically: https://github.com/GoogleChrome/lighthouse/issues/6512#:~:te....

Tried all of the proposed solutions and this error still pops up on certain sites and certain configuration settings. Felt totally random when it started happening.

rhdunn · 4 years ago
Is there a way to run lighthouse 8.0.0 on older versions of Chrome for local (development) websites, so we can test them now instead of waiting until Chrome 93 is released?
hoten · 4 years ago
In addition to the other comment, you could also install Chrome Canary to use the latest Lighthouse + Chrome.

If you don't have Canary installed, the CLI will use Chrome Stable. If Canary is present, that is the default. This can be configured with CHROME_PATH.

Deukhoofd · 4 years ago
Run the terminal command in the README of the repo on your sites.
rhdunn · 4 years ago
That works. Thanks.