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londons_explore · a month ago
You can do a while lifetimes work, and yet sometimes it's a tiny action like this which can have the biggest benefit to mankind.

Just think how many billions of times someone has avoided pulling up to the wrong side of the pump because of this arrow - literal lifetimes of effort saved.

lostlogin · a month ago
The person (committee?) who came up with USB A needs sanctions.

And Apple Needs more, for putting power buttons and key ports at that back.

qwertytyyuu · a month ago
No the people who decided that usb 3.2 gen 2x2 and usb 4 version 2.0 gen 4x2 were acceptable names are the ones who should be sanctioned
pa7ch · a month ago
whats wrong with usb-a? I feels more sturdy and less likely to have connection issues then usb-c in my experience.
stephenr · a month ago
Which rear facing "key port" on a Mac are you suggesting should be on the front?

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jstanley · a month ago
What's wrong with pulling up to the wrong side of the pump? I do it all the time when the petrol station is busy, just pull the hose over to the other side and fuel the car anyway.
tpoacher · a month ago
just because there's nothing particularly wrong with only getting the usb in on the 3rd try doesn't mean it's not a minor inconvenience worth resolving.

but if you want a more dramatic example, it's right there in the text: Moylan got soaked because of this inconvenience. if he'd gotten a pneumonia as a result of this and died, then that is suddenly much more than a minor inconvenience.

CoastalCoder · a month ago
The hose won't always reach.
schmuckonwheels · a month ago
2020s UX "experts" would bury the entire instrument cluster under a hamburger menu if they could get away with it.

The fuel gauge would be moved three menus deep and thus impossible to find, then removed in subsequent model years when their telemetry data "proved" no one used it anymore.

hexbin010 · a month ago
BMW would put it behind a subscription
lostlogin · a month ago
Next up: buy a new one when the old one runs out.
eastbound · a month ago
It drives usage up! Seriously, I wonder whether this “Make things to annoy people” trend is a normal situation, or an emerging behavior due to our era, and whether it will be solved one day. Example: In 2003 all UX was abominable, programs were ugly and black and white and text and boring, then came the iPhone with the idea to hire designers for apps, it was entirely new and absolutely unseen before. It was necessary during the take off phase of our industry, but are we simply witnessing the regression to normal, with UX being driven by corporate suits?
unglaublich · a month ago
In the end, these engineers' job is make profit for the company. If the customer allows for all this crap, and still buys cars/fridges/tvs with such horrible UX, then it's the way forward.
schmuckonwheels · a month ago
>If the customer allows for all this crap

You imply they ever had a choice.

Companies like Tesla and Rivian pioneered the trend of bringing webshit-as-an-instrument cluster to the mainstream. Other car companies saw dollar signs, rode their coattails and immediately copied it.

What is a customer supposed to do? Buy a Mitsubishi Mirage? Build their own instrument cluster?

toast0 · a month ago
Most of the instrument cluster is superfluous. My 81 Vanagon has only these and it's fine:

Speedometer (which starts at 10 mph and I've managed to adjust so it's about right at 40ish but reports 70 mph when you're doing 60), odometer (5.1 digits), fuel gauge (non-linear, but consistent, the top half is a lot bigger than the bottom half, no arrow because it hadn't been invented yet). And then some lights: brake warning lamp (but the bulb is burnt out and doesn't seem replacable), high beam indicator, alternator indicator, turn signal indicator (one led for both directions!), low oil pressure indicator, and EGR indicator which really just turns on 10,000 miles after you push the button on the box under the front of the car.

Don't even need a tach, cause they put one dot on the speedo where you should shift out of first, two dots where you should shift out of second, and three dots where you should shift out of third.

The gauge lights come on when the headlights are on, so that's a subtle indicator too, I guess.

Don't really need much more than that. There was an optional clock in my model year, but mine doesn't have one.

fragmede · a month ago
It's all optional if you have enough mechanical empathy. No speedo, oil light, odo, gas gauge. You just get a feel for how fast you're going. You haven't really lived until you've ridden a salvage titled motorcycle with zero instrument cluster across 17 without headlights after the sun's gone down. Sometimes I'm surprised I made it this long.
b112 · a month ago
Speedometer could be due to different size tires.
wombatpm · a month ago
Which is great for new cars. I drove a 78 Buick Riviera. Friends couldn’t figure out how to fill it up. Because the gas cap was behind the license plate in the back!
waldrews · a month ago
Why didn't they just ask ChatGPT?

Oh wait.

charcircuit · a month ago
For those curious, the first sentence of the response from ChatGPT gets it correct.

>On a 1978 Buick Riviera, the gas cap is hidden behind a flip-down license plate on the rear bumper.

yunnpp · a month ago
TIL: There is an arrow signaling which side to refuel a car.

And while I am only slightly embarrassed that I did not know this, I am more excited about having learned this now. Yup, I just checked my car and it really is there, guys.

lproven · a month ago
I was scrolling down the comments waiting for the first comment from someone experiencing this revelation.

I only learned maybe 5-6 years ago -- but then, I only bought my first car at age 55, because I have a kid and moved to a tiny country with infrequent public transport.

ryanjshaw · a month ago
Anybody else get confused by whether the arrow represents where the car should be or the pump?
LoFiSamurai · a month ago
No
sublinear · a month ago
I agree. As much as people appreciate the factoid, it's not an example of good design.

I don't ever recall the arrow being paid attention to until listicles and other blog spam were born. It has all the elements of great clickbait.

gk1 · a month ago
I actually use it all the time when driving a rental.
icambron · a month ago
I use it regularly when driving an unfamiliar car. I also don’t think it’s ambiguous: it’s a drawing of a gas pump and an arrow telling you where it should be from here, which is a convention from signage the world over. “Paris ->” has never meant “you are this way relative to Paris.”

The design I used to find confusing was the controls for periodic windshield wipers: does the width the triangle indicator represent frequency or period? I eventually just managed to memorize that it means frequency because you get more wiping as you turn it “up”. I don’t think anyone else ever found this ambiguous; we all have our little intuition gaps, I guess.

maxerickson · a month ago
Baader–Meinhof phenomenon.

The fact that it is consistent across vehicles sort of mitigates the problems with it. "Arrow points at fuel door" is not actually hard to remember.

jquery · a month ago
It’s terrible design. Until I encountered one of these listicles I had no idea what that arrow was.
mayneack · a month ago
I use it regularly
Taek · a month ago
The arrow indicates where the hole is.
michaelmdresser · a month ago
I think this is the source of me misinterpreting the symbol a few times, so yes.
mongol · a month ago
I do. It is not obvious in any case
KellyCriterion · a month ago
Isnt it that nowadays usually on the side of the driving seat? Or does this apply only to EU vehicles?

Im not a regular car user, if at all Im renting - but the last 10 times(?) it was always just on the side of the driving seat

onion2k · a month ago
Isnt it that nowadays usually on the side of the driving seat? Or does this apply only to EU vehicles?

That would mean designing two separate entire fuel tank placements, fuel lines, etc for cars that are available both in left- and right-hand drive variants, with different SKUs for each of the parts needed. There is no way a car manufacturer would do that.

tripledry · a month ago
Im not aware of such a convention, I'm in the EU and most cars I've owned or driven has it on the opposite side of the driving seat.

Might just be a coincidence

Sebb767 · a month ago
Usually, it will be where the passenger side is in the cars home market. That is left for Japanese and British vehicles and right for US and German ones.

Fun fact, for single exhaust cars, the exhaust will usually be on the driver side, in order to route around the fuel tank :-)

apparent · a month ago
I think it depends. Especially with PHEVs, which also have a charge port, whose location is determined by charging infrastructure, and which is not IME on the same side as the gas tank opening.
quickthrowman · a month ago
It points towards both the gas pump and also the side of the car that has the fuel filler, it’s impossible to confuse.
Revisional_Sin · a month ago
Yeah, it's a bit counter-intuitive.

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celeritascelery · a month ago
I had no idea till this moment that’s what the arrow was for…
acheron · a month ago
I didn’t know it was possible to not know this.
phantasmish · a month ago
Nobody ever told me and I drove my first car for a long time, rarely drove other people’s cars, and did not have the kind of lifestyle that either supported or required rental cars.

I found out around age 35, I think. From reading it online. I’ve told a bunch of people who didn’t know.

AlotOfReading · a month ago
I've encountered a few cars where the arrow points to the wrong side, and it's quite subtle if no one tells you.
dmead · a month ago
I'm in my 40s and just learned this right now.
apparent · a month ago
Who taught you? I didn't know until my 20s and have met many adults who didn't know.
ddellacosta · a month ago
You learn something new every day huh!
mlrtime · a month ago
lostmsu · a month ago
I haven't ever noticed the arrow in 14 years until this article (I believe).
nutjob2 · a month ago
I'm sure about 99% of people are in the same boat.
kirubakaran · a month ago
The signage is for cars, not boats.
toomuchtodo · a month ago
rationalist · a month ago
Another car thing that is named after someone:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroney_sticker

Also known as the "Window Sticker"

onionisafruit · a month ago
Mansfield bars too, if you don’t mind getting ghoulish
phibz · a month ago
On cars without the arrow they often follow the convention where the gas filler handle is depicted on the same side of the gas icon as the filler door is in the car.
nutjob2 · a month ago
First time I've heard of that convention.
snozolli · a month ago
Because it's a myth. It used to go around Reddit regularly.

There's even a Snopes entry:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fuel-icon-foolery/

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whiteboardr · a month ago
That was the original idea on how the icon should be used but obviously too subtle.

Moylan basically added a modifier icon for clarity.

pants2 · a month ago
I've heard that the gauge always points towards the side the cap is on when pointing to empty

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anjel · a month ago
Far too subtle