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sschnei8 · a month ago
The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.
01100011 · a month ago
and shorting something priced in a currency is effectively going long on the currency as well. If the USD takes a dive due to, idk, increasing populism from both major parties, stocks will do quite well in nominal terms. Your shorts will burn and you'll end up far worse than just staying in cash.

For most people, the best way to short is to just hold cash equivalents like short-term treasuries.

skluug · a month ago
You can use the cash you get from shorting to invest in other assets. Shorting doesn’t require you to hold cash.
stogot · a month ago
What is an example of shorting something not priced in a currency?
bequanna · a month ago
Said another way: “being too early is the same as being wrong”
cal_dent · a month ago
I’d change to “can be the same as being wrong” and agree. All these people out there thinking their being oh so clever with bubble this short that etc. Everyone knows.

One of the idiosyncrasies of modern human society is that we’re pretty good at knowing how things we create or initiate can go wrong, particularly with the economy. We’re just not great at perfectly understanding the degree of risk or the probability or at what point/level it goes wrong. That’s why I’ve never really got all the chat of “economists have predicted xx of the last x recessions yadda yadda”. I’m fine with that, I’d be more concerned if they predicted 0 of the last x recessions.

fhrjfjfnd · a month ago
Your quote is something that AI mania speculators often like to reassure themselves with, but consider the fact that it took 17 years for the NASDAQ to recover from the dotcom bubble when adjusting for inflation. What's being early by a year or two when the consequences take decades to heal over?
DaveZale · a month ago
also you may have to pay interest on shorted shares. Better to take a Burry/Taleb approach of extreme option bets with small money.
treetalker · a month ago
My understanding is that an extremely OTM put on a clear, strongly held thesis would be Burry-like, and many people would be able to do so.

But Taleb's point is that (non-insiders) cannot accurately predict regarding individual securities (hence derivatives), but can identify over-/under-priced OTM options — and that, trading these systematically, one can suffer many repeated "small" losses that become outweighed by the Big One that eventually (yet unpredictably) hits, thus generating overall positive expected value. But, as I further understand Taleb, most people don't have the huge capital that enables such a strategy, and that doctors, lawyers, dentists, etc., are better off making money by plying their professional services and perhaps investing in index funds and the like.

oa335 · a month ago
You will end up paying that "interest" on long put positions. The advantage of options is an ability to make more granular bets.
hypeatei · a month ago
You also have to pay dividends on the shorted shares.
matt3210 · a month ago
The market is rational. If it's is not doing what you expect, then you are the irrational one.
3eb7988a1663 · a month ago
When pets.com is selling dog food for less than it costs, but the stock price keeps going up, that is rational?
the__alchemist · a month ago
Thought terminating cliches only terminate thoughts if you allow them to.
bdangubic · a month ago
this statement could be just replaced with TSLA :)
rasz · a month ago
Nicola scam was still worth real money a good year after CEO conviction.
skybrian · a month ago
https://archive.is/TJAfs

It's pretty clearly not a "how to" that ordinary people can practically use. More like "How someone else might do it."

the__alchemist · a month ago
I got in on 4 of the big quantum computing stocks ~a month ago. I haven't felt this good about a short since Nikola; one of the few times I will use "money left on the table".

I miss Hindenburg.

Unfortunately, most of the scammiest companies (e.g. ones you hear about on HN) are not IPOed, so you can't short them using traditional methods. I'm glad the article points out some non-traditional ones, but I'm not clear on how to actually do it.

cl42 · a month ago
Do you ever pair trade or hedge your shorts by buying indices? For example, short the quantum stocks but buy NASDAQ index (or call options) in case everything keeps going up?
the__alchemist · a month ago
Hard to say, because most of what I own is indexes. I do explicitly do an inversion of this: Counter my index positions of certain stocks I don't want to own by shorting them in small amounts. So, these shorts are a hedge, vs a stock I think is worthless/fraud like the QC ones.
dionian · a month ago
I just use $QTUM
brcmthrowaway · a month ago
do you have a stop loss?
delichon · a month ago
I hope you lose a lot of money on at least one of those positions. I want to be in a timeline where quantum and AI computing grow up together.
jazzyjackson · a month ago
What do you want quantum to do? I thought it's good for medicine discovery and material discovery, where you might simulate physical quantum processes, but it's quite theoretical that we actually get an outcome from that isn't there? Is there any drug/protein/molecule simulation that people are trying to do but classical hardware is too slow to bother?

Qubits are neat and all I just won't be places bets.

rimbo789 · a month ago
So you want all the humans replaced then?
iloveurcelsnuf · a month ago
"how to take a mom from a toddler" when nobody is around?

I bet there's an entry in some dude's journal from the 1100s