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modeless · 10 months ago
I have been receiving regular spear phishing calls from these guys, or someone who bought the leaked data, with classic tactics like claiming that I need to confirm a potentially fraudulent transaction. They speak perfect English with an American accent, sound very friendly, and have knowledge of your account balance. Thankfully on the first call I realized it was a scam right away, and Google's call screening feature takes good care of the rest. Wish I could forward them to Kitboga[1].

I guess they didn't have as much luck as they wanted scamming Coinbase's customers, and once they had their fun they decided to try extorting Coinbase themselves.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNziOoXDBeg

panarky · 10 months ago
If you had any significant assets on Coinbase at any time prior to this breach, spear phishing is the least of your worries.

Coinbase not only leaked your full name and address, they also gave up your balances, your transaction history, and images of your government identification.

People with "significant" crypto balances are being assaulted on the street and in their own homes, and family members are being kidnapped for ransom.

"Significant" in this case can be $10k or less.

Until now, your best defense secrecy. Never talk about crypto in public in any way that could be traced to your real-world identity.

Thanks to Coinbase that defense is now gone.

The bad guys can see who has ever had a significant balance on Coinbase (even if they don't right now), whether that balance was sold for cash and how much, or if you've ever transferred tokens off the exchange to a self-custody wallet.

Now the bad guys know who's worth kidnapping for ransom and where you live. For most people, a Google search of your name and home address turns up the names of family members who would would also be lucrative targets for kidnapping and threats of violence.

Coinbase will never be forced to reimburse all the damage they've done because the true cost would bankrupt the company.

suzzer99 · 10 months ago
Florida teens kidnap Las Vegas man, drive him to Arizona desert, steal $4M in cryptocurrency

https://www.yahoo.com/news/florida-teens-kidnap-las-vegas-20...

ClumsyPilot · 10 months ago
> will never be forced to reimburse all the damage they've done because the true cost would bankrupt the company

This story keeps repeating. Maybe we should try it and see if it works as a deterrent.

dachris · 10 months ago
Why is this such an issue with crypto?

Wealth status is often very well known for public figures and entrepreneurs. People are driving around in $200k cars.

Is it due to the liquidity of cryptocurrencies that $5 wrench attacks work better?

krunck · 10 months ago
But hey, at least by being forced to give crypto exchanges all our personal details we're all super protected from the four horsemen: money laundering, drugs, terrorism and pornography.
zamadatix · 10 months ago
> People with "significant" crypto balances are being assaulted on the street and in their own homes, and family members are being kidnapped for ransom. "Significant" in this case can be $10k or less.

I wonder why, select a person completely at random and by median you'll get just as much from what they have sitting in their checking account. Select a nicer area for an order of magnitude more. That's not encouragement to go assault people in their homes or kidnap families... just confusion.

andy_ppp · 10 months ago
Companies should seriously consider implementing GDPR even in the US, it certainly made taking data dumps of customer data a lot harder and certainly private images like Government IDs were encrypted on disk. I’m surprised at the lack of security if I’m honest, at Yahoo! almost nobody had access to prod user data.

Essentially you cannot trust Coinbase IMO, might move the few hundred dollars of BTC out of there :-)

beaned · 10 months ago
They said less than 1% of users were affected.
_Algernon_ · 10 months ago
How can I check if I am affected by this?
gxs · 10 months ago
And yet, Coinbase goes Scott free

Someone, someone at that company should be going to prison for negligence

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cyanydeez · 10 months ago
"decentralized currency"
aeternum · 10 months ago
Why do you see this as the fault of Coinbase? Do other companies somehow have employees that are immune to bribes and blackmail?

This is due to US Government KYC laws that forced Coinbase to associate government identification with all accounts. No crypto company required ID until they were forced to.

VectorLock · 10 months ago
I just switched to iPhone from a pixel device and I’m shook by all the spam calls. How do iPhone users deal with this?
conductr · 10 months ago
It’s my biggest gripe. They can pretty accurately flag a number as Spam or Telemarketing but in the “Silence Unknown Callers” setting I can only silence every single unknown caller. I can’t silence every single number that’s not in my contacts. When the plumber calls to confirm he’s in route, my phone needs to ring. Stuff like that.
dx4100 · 10 months ago
Also, on TMobile if you dial #662#, it'll block the Scam Likely calls at the carrier.
taude · 10 months ago
Yeup, I finally broke down went from Android -> IPhone 16 Pro. I like a lot about Apple's personal security policies for their consumers vs Google, but damn, I miss google's automatic call spam detection and management. All day long my Apple phone rings, and I just have to ignore the calls.
patatino · 10 months ago
I don’t get any calls, seems to be an US problem?
sameline · 10 months ago
Verizon (and I assume many other US carriers) offer junk call identification which your iPhone can block if you have ”Silence Junk Callers” toggled in Settings > Phone > Call Blocking & Identification.

https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/block-or-avoid-unwant...

ellisd · 10 months ago
Unfortunately blocking all unknown calls is the only way to sanity. Otherwise we're talking 6-9 calls coming in ALL DAY, EVERY DAY.

The calls are coming from new numbers, across multiple area codes. A few months ago I would have advised using Begone (https://apps.apple.com/us/app/begone-spam-call-blocker/id159...) to block but that only worked since these calls were isolated to blocks of area codes that were pretty safe to block like 888-XXX-XXXX, but now ZERO of these calls are using a fixed area code that would be relative safe to block.

dx4100 · 10 months ago
I have my phone set to silence Unknown callers. What did you have setup on the Pixel before to block them?
ge96 · 10 months ago
I never answer my phone, also turned off sound except alarms a couple years ago
scarface_74 · 10 months ago
Settings -> Phone -> Silence Unknown callers
tziki · 10 months ago
I have the exact same experience. I felt like I went back to a phone from 2018.
HWR_14 · 10 months ago
You turn off the notifications from unknown callers? How does Android handle it?
parliament32 · 10 months ago
Yeah you went the wrong way there brother.
koakuma-chan · 10 months ago
If it’s says Rogers you know it’s a scam
acheong08 · 10 months ago
iPhone user here. I put on airplane mode unless I'm making or expecting a call. Otherwise, I make it clear that email is my primary form of communication.
coolcase · 10 months ago
"Yeah yeah... installing your app now... oh there is an error... will try again..."
conductr · 10 months ago
I started getting regular Coinbase login confirmation codes text messages with no attempts on my end

Same with my Microsoft account actually

I usually just ignore it but I assume someone is testing if my email can be used to login.

modeless · 10 months ago
Oh yeah I get the Microsoft account emails, and Instagram ones, randomly (I have an account but never use it). I'm pretty sure SMS 2FA is turned off on my Coinbase account, which is highly recommended.
lavezzi · 10 months ago
> I have been receiving regular spear phishing calls from these guys, or someone who bought the leaked data, with classic tactics like claiming that I need to confirm a potentially fraudulent transaction.

And how long has this been at an increased level? Because i'm not buying the coinbase narrative that they thought this was a systemic issue until they were contacted by the 'cybercriminals'.

modeless · 10 months ago
It started around the beginning of April, at the same time as I got an initial email from them about my account information being accessed. Which I'm thinking is probably the same breach as they're talking about here.
dx4100 · 10 months ago
Scams have gotten better since AI. Most of the common spelling mistakes are gone.

I was looking through some phishing e-mails the other day out of curiosity and found a weird unicode character mistranslated. Immediately knew it was an artifact of bad translation. So they're not perfect, but they're damn good.

genghisjahn · 10 months ago
The common spelling mistakes are there for a reason most of the time.
the_clarence · 10 months ago
Where was the number from? I received an impressive number of phonecalls attempt but thankfully I never answer to unknown numbers. With google call screen they hung up everytime so I assume its a scam.
taude · 10 months ago
I got probably three or four in the past week.
hooverd · 10 months ago
I wonder if some of that perfect accent might be ML.
mistrial9 · 10 months ago
> They speak perfect English, sound very friendly, and have knowledge of your account balance.

.. and are former employees of Coinbase .. oh! just imagining!!

cyanydeez · 10 months ago
its a shame it'll never stop, and the criminal element is now a legal capitalism
thepasswordis · 10 months ago
The problem is that it seems like the data that leaked is also the data that would be used to do account recovery.

And what that means is that

1) If you lose access to your account (through either your own fault, or coinbases fault) that the process of recovering it may not be so straightforward anymore.

2) Hackers can try to “recover” accounts now using this leaked info.

This is a huge problem. What coinbase needs are IRL offices where you can go and do things like account recovery, and where people trying to steal money can be caught and prosecuted (and makes a huge barrier for the overseas thieves who are usually doing this)

The only solution here is: hardware 2 factor like yubikeys.

SimianSci · 10 months ago
The Crypto industry continues their speedrun of rediscovering all of the reasons for why the global financial system exists.

What you've described is the same thing that many Crypto enthusiasts call a "Bank"

lxgr · 10 months ago
Many banks don't have physical branches.

One that I'm using does, but I find it extremely annoying when they have me go to a branch to unblock my account that they locked due to a poorly calibrated risk system (that they need due to not supporting actually secure 2FA methods).

knowitnone · 10 months ago
except banks staff can easily be bribed too. There is plenty of bank fraud happening.
woah · 10 months ago
Coinbase is identical to a bank because it holds customer funds. Your comment isn't quite the dunk you think it is. Blockchains allow money to be held anonymously without any banks involved. Centralized exchanges are just profiting on speculation and probably should be banned.
piva00 · 10 months ago
> What coinbase needs are IRL offices where you can go and do things like account recovery, and where people trying to steal money can be caught and prosecuted (and makes a huge barrier for the overseas thieves who are usually doing this)

That's just a bank.

lovich · 10 months ago
Watching crypto enthusiasts run into every problem that society already tackled with in the past when developing currency and its controls, and then coming up with solutions that look exactly the same as what dirty fiat currency uses, has been a source of much entertainment the past few years
dowager_dan99 · 10 months ago
Beyond the regulatory-dodge and crypto marketing explain to me how Coinbase is NOT a bank
thepasswordis · 10 months ago
Correct. Coinbase is a bank that holds cryptocurrency.
ClumsyPilot · 10 months ago
> The only solution here is: hardware 2 factor like yubikeys.

And when that’s lost, what do you do? Aren’t you back to account recovery step?

drexlspivey · 10 months ago
Then you send your iris scan to sama
whoopdedo · 10 months ago
If you ever sent money to or from a wallet you control, I'd think a reliable recovery factor would be to use that key to sign a message that Coinbase can verify with the address in their records. Cryptocurrency after all is just another PKI.
whoopdedo · 10 months ago
And dumb-dumb me just realized how trivial that would be to break. Social engineer someone into sending/receiving money to/from your wallet then pretend to be them requesting an account recovery.

Coinbase would have to make you sign a challenge ahead of time that would mark the wallet as the authorized public key for your account.

SoftTalker · 10 months ago
The the data that would be used to do account recovery is 99% either public record or already part of dozens of prior major data breaches.
lxgr · 10 months ago
> What coinbase needs are IRL offices where you can go and do things like account recovery, and where people trying to steal money can be caught and prosecuted

People getting locked out of their account (which can happen due to no fault of the user, e.g. by an overly nervous risk system) will be really happy to have to potentially travel to a different city to regain account access...

thepasswordis · 10 months ago
I would be very happy to do this.

Fine, make it optional. I actually would love a version of cold storage that is: never release this money unless I personally travel to an office if NYC and authorize it.

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scyclow · 10 months ago
I'd imagine that anyone who's sophisticated enough to use a yubikey would just buy a hardware wallet and self custody.
josu · 10 months ago
> What coinbase needs are IRL offices where you can go and do things like account recovery, and where people trying to steal money can be caught and prosecuted

Is this satire?

sgarman · 10 months ago
I tried to reach out to coinbase customer support to see if I was impacted. Once I wasted my time with the AI bot and got a human they were unaware of the breach. I was the first person to inform them about it.
modeless · 10 months ago
They emailed impacted accounts. Source: I was impacted
mns · 10 months ago
Not sure what to say about that, I had an account with them, but I couldn't verify it, had email, phone and could be some sort of ID scanned - don't remember. Haven't used the account ever since and had nothing there, since January I have been getting regularly calls about my account being "compromised". This leak probably happened way earlier, because there was no way someone knew I had an account there and knew exactly the email I had with them.
lavezzi · 10 months ago
I don't believe they did, and I also believe they have known about this issue for a long time, and they should have been required to disclose their mandatory 8k a lot earlier.
w-ll · 10 months ago
Was this the general "Important Notice" email that went out this morning, or something more specific.
AustinDev · 10 months ago
What was the title of the email? I got a generic looking email at 7AM EST this morning describing the breach.
rasz · 10 months ago
You were read "Wow we didnt know about it, you are the first person talking about it to me" script line.
ycombinatrix · 10 months ago
Maybe the actual first person got unlucky with a lazy customer support agent.
molticrystal · 10 months ago
And the reason Coinbase has to keep all that sensitive stuff, much more than what would be required to identify and authenticate you, which you hope will never be stolen, is because of know your customer laws, so you can thank your government that pictures of your passport got stolen and for whatever criminals and rogue Coinbase employees do with that info.
ryuhhnn · 10 months ago
There are very good reasons for KYC, the problem here is not the government regulation, it's once again private companies being sloppy with their customer's data because sloppy is cheap and it's not their info on the line, it's yours, so there's little motivation for them to safeguard it _unless_ they're compelled to do it by law.
goobie · 10 months ago
The people who designed a government regulation to deputize private companies couldn't possibly have known how sloppy private companies are with other people's data?

They could have designed KYC to minimize long-term storage requirements etc at some cost to what they could enforce, but a government like the US is inherently sloppy with the rights that are reserved for parties besides itself.

benced · 10 months ago
This is costing Coinbase $400M. They are well incentivized to prevent this.
J0nL · 10 months ago
They're not just another free-to-use site where you're the product. Their reputation and viability are on the line.

For a site such as this the odds aren't in their favor anymore.

lavezzi · 10 months ago
> And the reason Coinbase has to keep all that sensitive stuff, much more than what would be required to identify and authenticate you, which you hope will never be stolen, is because of know your customer laws

Real cop out here, be honest. Why should every single agent have access to your identity documentation (which is only required for KYC) in perpetuity?

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rkagerer · 10 months ago
Coinbase seems to be going to great lengths to try and distance themselves from the so-called "rogue overseas support agents".

If they were Coinbase employees or contractors, that means the company basically sold its own data to hackers, who then turned around and demanded a ransom.

Reimbursing duped customers makes sense, as it seems like they would have a pretty straightforward case to make in court that Coinbase's actions led to their loss.

I'm more curious if someone who feels the need to move, change banks, change their email, hire a security detail etc. could successfully sue the company to recover some or all of those costs.

vonneumannstan · 10 months ago
>If they were Coinbase employees or contractors, that means the company basically sold its own data to hackers, who then turned around and demanded a ransom.

This seems like a strange interpretation. If an employee at your company, against policy and likely illegally extracts proprietary data and gives it to hackers in exchange for money you can hardly say that "My company sold it's data".

rkagerer · 10 months ago
I agree it wasn't authorized, but I should absolutely still be able to hold the company responsible for the damage. My business relationship is with you, not your employees or vendors.

They in turn could go after the perpetrator. If they're using contractors who are cheap, unvetted, untrustworthy or don't carry liability insurance that's their problem and shouldn't excuse them of accountability.

behringer · 10 months ago
In a way you can. A company is its employees. If you want employees with integrity you might need to pay better than bottom dollar employees from the cheapest countries possible.

I once applied for a bank position, and they wanted to run a credit check. If you're in a position of handling money, the company has a responsibility to vet its employees. Do I agree with credit checks? Absolutely not, but the point is, Coinbase is partially responsible and that's why they're refunding duped customers.

How far that responsibility goes is up for debate.

mavelikara · 10 months ago
> This seems like a strange interpretation. If an employee at your company, against policy and likely illegally extracts proprietary data and gives it to hackers in exchange for money you can hardly say that "My company sold it's data".

When an employee ships a new feature, do you say "My company shipped a new feature?"

skybrian · 10 months ago
Blog post is here:

https://www.coinbase.com/blog/protecting-our-customers-stand...

> We will reimburse customers who were tricked into sending funds to the attacker due to social engineering attacks. If your data was accessed, you have already received an email from no-reply@info.coinbase.com; all notifications went out at 7:20 a.m. ET on 5/15 to affected customers.

gkoberger · 10 months ago
The no-reply is an interesting decision. I get how difficult it is to run a company like Coinbase (their biggest strength, centralized + customer support, is also what enables this social engineering), but feels like an odd choice.
scotty79 · 10 months ago
no-reply is a good practice. No business should ever encourage their customers to reply to the emails they are sending out. That's what scammers do.

To contact the company you should go to company website at the address you know (which shouldn't be given in email as well), log in and send a message through internal message system, possibly referring to the email that you recieved through a random code (those can be auto-suggested if they recently tried to contact you by email).

If you do anything else your communication knwowingly mimics communication of a scammer.

Unrequested email should always only be one way communication. Email is too untrustworthy for it to be anything more.

sh34r · 10 months ago
Their "customer support" includes not expecting users to set up PGP to communicate with them. Email is not a secure method of communication by default.

It's fine to send a notification instructing them to visit the secure portal for more info, though. Hence, no-reply.

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PeeMcGee · 10 months ago
> No passwords, private keys, or funds were exposed and Coinbase Prime accounts are untouched.

I'm curious why no Coinbase Prime accounts were part of the leak (assuming that's what they mean). Is there some sort of additional layer of data protection behind the Coinbase Prime paywall? Or perhaps those accounts were intentionally avoided as they would presumably belong to more savvy users.

czk · 10 months ago
Coinbase Prime is its own exchange with its own support (actual humans in the USA that are available to chat to). It's for "institutional investors" so unavailable to most customers without the proper credentials/paperwork. They don't share the same outsourced "support" as the regular exchange, which appears to be the attack vector here.
mafriese · 10 months ago
> The threat actor appears to have obtained this information by paying multiple contractors or employees working in support roles outside the United States to collect information from internal Coinbase systems to which they had access in order to perform their job responsibilities

Based on the information present in the breach, I think it's likely that the source was their customer support in the Philippines. Monthly salary is usually < 1000$/month (entry-level probably even less than 500$) and a 5000$ bribe could be more than a year worth of money, tax-free. Considering the money you can make with that dataset now, this is just a small investment.

> •Name, address, phone, and email; •Masked Social Security (last 4 digits only); •Masked bank-account numbers and some bank account identifiers; •Government‑ID images (e.g., driver’s license, passport); •Account data (balance snapshots and transaction history); and •Limited corporate data (including documents, training material, and communications available to support agents).

This is every threat actor's dream. Even if you only had email addresses and account balances, this is a nightmare. Instead of blackmailing the company, you can now blackmail each individual user. "Send me 50% of your BTC and I won't publish all of your information on the internet". My guess is that we will have a similar situation like we had with the Vastaamo data breach...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vastaamo_data_breach

lm28469 · 10 months ago
> •Name, address, phone, and email;\

> blackmail each individual user

Blackmail would be the least of my worries, in France we had at least five kidnappings/attempted kidnappings related to crypto investors since the beginning of the year.

iamacyborg · 10 months ago
And more than one finger sent in the post.
bambax · 10 months ago
Yes that's true but it's weird they only focus on crypto investors' families? There are many rich people in France, what's the deal with cryptobros?
stringsandchars · 10 months ago
This may seem callous, but isn't a large point of crypto that you are 'free' from the shackles imposed by the State?

And I guess that includes protection from criminals by the oppressive forces of the State (aka the police). In which case being kidnapped and having your fingers sent to your family is an integral part of your 'freedom'.

avrionov · 10 months ago
It way worse. The US companies, pay $3-$6 per hour to outsource their support to the Philippines. The companies which provide the service have very high turnover rate. For some companies the employees stay on average about 6 months. There is absolutely no reason to be loyal.
brandensilva · 10 months ago
We are getting zero government regulations on AI, no punishment data breaches, and no human protections against wide scale abuse. The opposite is happening.

I suspect to see America in chaos from these disruptions in the very near future.

wslh · 10 months ago
Beyond the Philippines low wage, the point is that there is a price for "everybody" if it were in the US it will be a much higher price, and most probably paying for higher attack benefits.