It just seems like common sense that if you impose sanctions, tariffs, embargoes, etc. at a wide enough scale to a determined enough "adversary", they will just become more resilient, self-sufficient, and antagonistic than they were if simply left alone.
I don't know the answers to the questions of international cooperation and economic imbalances, but I am pretty confident that this is not the way. I haven't seen sufficient evidence to the contrary.
All of that being said, it's great to see a new operating system that (if I understand correctly) isn't just derived from an existing one.
This is true but it's also true in this instance that the adversary was already antagonistic and was moving towards self-sufficiency at their own pace while using your technology to do so.
The reasoning behind cutting them off through the methods you listed is to force them to move to self-sufficiency on your terms without as much access to your technology.
I'm not sure what technology you have in mind here. Correct if this is wrong, but China has required for transfer of technology when some business wanted to produce on its territory and has produced basically everything we can think of under the sun.
As the famous roll pen examplify, China can definitely make high tech products and it's more a question if economical relevance whether they will intensify in that direction
The thing I'd really like to see & try is DSoftBus. Theres a massive distributed computing toolkit built in to the OS, it does cross-device operations? That's supposedly integral to even regular apps? That's so neat.
Unfortunately the barrier to entry seems to be sending government identity to Huawei, and I'm not willing to do that to get access to their software development kits. There'a source available at least for the earlier OpenHarmony forks, but figuring out how to take all the pieces and weave together a working OS is probably quite complex & undocumented. Here's some kind of developer centric openEuler link, https://github.com/openeuler-mirror/dsoftbus_standard
There's been such a dearth of clear advancement for users in OSes, in IoT, in distributed computing. It looks like there's something super super cool here, but so far, that view has mostly been some 5 or 10 second clips amid product promos and demoes. .
ArkTS compiles into Ark Bytecode, and there is JIT on the user's device. According to feedback from the developer community, ArkTS is slower than V8, but Huawei has incorporated a multi-threading model into it.
Typescript is open source. It is a benefit for Huawei to use a language that is deeply supported by Microsoft, so clients have an easier time transitioning between ecosystems.
I feel great about a competing OS to further the imagination of developers and service providers to make their offerings more platform independent.
I feel great about a third platform pushing the UI space to something newer (like iOS created touch centric UI).
I feel great about a new approach to kernel science. (Like ChromeOS did).
But I am afraid of a bill-gates era move to crush competitors. (Let’s credit BG for making the innovation space un-innovative deeply linear and unifying!)
And I am afraid of the interfaces I have come to love be destroyed and brought to ruin by “copying” upcoming platforms (like in Windows 8/10/11).
And I am afraid that consumers and developers will be segmented and overwhelmed with new styles of doing things that they will give up entirely.
> consumers and developers will be segmented and overwhelmed
Plurality in the computer market is a good thing. You should be more scared of the monopoly of a company like MS over desktop OS for personal computers. That's what made it possible for the government to enact barriers against other countries, like they're doing with China.
Eclipse Oniro is an interesting proposal to build on top of OpenHarmony. Kind of "Palm/HP webOS and Firefox OS were right conceptually, but too early", minus Linux kernel and middleware.
Just checked it out. The site looks cool but I doubt OpenHarmony or Oniro will go anywhere. I just have a sense that it only exists to lend credibility to HarmonyOS outside of Huawei/China. Reminds me of MeeGo.
Any tips on creating a Huawei account in the US? I can decipher the captcha if I translate the browser-translated hints to Chinese-traditional, but SMS verification isn't working.
edit: not translating the page makes the captcha even easier, and I am an idiot.
I'm confused by the premise here, as repeated in the title and initial sentence:
Huawei Technologies on Thursday unveiled its first laptop that runs the company’s self-developed operating system, HarmonyOS, following the expiration of its Microsoft Windows license for personal computers (PCs) in March.
What kind of Windows license are we talking about here? I understood that Huawei is a hardware manufacturer. Any Windows license on a laptop they deliver would be an OEM license attached to the device, right? Are they saying that Huawei lost its contract to sell Windows OEM licenses with the devices it manufactures?
Is that a thing? Does Microsoft say to hardware makers that no, you cannot sell your hardware with Windows? What kind of dispute between Microsoft and Huawei leads to that outcome?
Okay some further searching indicates the license that is expiring is Microsoft's export license to export Windows to Huawei. After the previous round of sanctions on Huawei, Microsoft had applied for and received a license to continue selling Windows copies to Huawei for it to resell. That is expiring, and is not expected to be renewed.
So its really an export license from the US government that is expiring.
Nightmare for US is PRC throwing 10000s developers and billions at creating domestic professional photo/video/3d/cad editting software integrated into PRC cloud and giving it away for cheap/free/piracy.
If we can extrapolate the PhotoSir/himirage[1] example to the whole slice of creative industry software, there's no such top-down plan currently. OTOH, CapCut is fairly popular, while not being overly serious kind of "professional", but a TikTok influencer kind.
[1] YeeHeart Inc sells the Windows and macOS builds, but Linux versions are only available on the Chinese version of their site. Kylin package can be installed on Wayland-enabled Ubuntu. The UI seems to be Chinese-only. On-topic: they have a HarmonyOS Next port as well.
No, I think top down plan still focuses on industrial software, i.e. Huawei working on semi software. I think ZWCAD (which has decent penetration in PRC architecture/mechanical) to catch up in BIM, 3D, complex workflows. Maybe that flows into 3d software, simulations in other domains (structural, civil), then game engine etc. But there's nothing for _serious) professional creative piplines like photoshop, illusrator, premiere, max, blender etc. Some movement on AI enhanced lightroom stuff or other AI generated workflows because that's field is new/level. But IMO there really should be more effort to chip away at professional tools, where I don't think anyone is even trying because still largely competing with free pirated adobe/autocad software.
Aside from HarmonyOS, this was the first time I've heard about WPS Office. It's amazing that it's been around for so long and apparently is so widely used, yet this is the first I'm learning about it.
>Make development enjoyable with distributed technologies
>Hardware synergy for resource sharing
>HarmonyOS treats different smart devices into a single super device, behind which all devices work collaboratively and share their resources to offer a seamless experience for users.
Does anyone know what this means, because it sounds amazing. Does the OS natively VPN all your devices and expose their storage/computes/etc in a Plan9-esque way?
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I don't know the answers to the questions of international cooperation and economic imbalances, but I am pretty confident that this is not the way. I haven't seen sufficient evidence to the contrary.
All of that being said, it's great to see a new operating system that (if I understand correctly) isn't just derived from an existing one.
The reasoning behind cutting them off through the methods you listed is to force them to move to self-sufficiency on your terms without as much access to your technology.
As the famous roll pen examplify, China can definitely make high tech products and it's more a question if economical relevance whether they will intensify in that direction
https://theasymmetric.substack.com/p/china-ballpoint-pen-mac...
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https://developer.huawei.com/consumer/en/doc/harmonyos-guide...
I'd certainly be interested in benchmarks of running TypeScript via ArkTS vs transpiled JS in in V8.
Unfortunately the barrier to entry seems to be sending government identity to Huawei, and I'm not willing to do that to get access to their software development kits. There'a source available at least for the earlier OpenHarmony forks, but figuring out how to take all the pieces and weave together a working OS is probably quite complex & undocumented. Here's some kind of developer centric openEuler link, https://github.com/openeuler-mirror/dsoftbus_standard
There's been such a dearth of clear advancement for users in OSes, in IoT, in distributed computing. It looks like there's something super super cool here, but so far, that view has mostly been some 5 or 10 second clips amid product promos and demoes. .
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So Windows is super slow, but no way this could be even slower? How can it be usable at all?
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I feel great about a third platform pushing the UI space to something newer (like iOS created touch centric UI).
I feel great about a new approach to kernel science. (Like ChromeOS did).
But I am afraid of a bill-gates era move to crush competitors. (Let’s credit BG for making the innovation space un-innovative deeply linear and unifying!)
And I am afraid of the interfaces I have come to love be destroyed and brought to ruin by “copying” upcoming platforms (like in Windows 8/10/11).
And I am afraid that consumers and developers will be segmented and overwhelmed with new styles of doing things that they will give up entirely.
Plurality in the computer market is a good thing. You should be more scared of the monopoly of a company like MS over desktop OS for personal computers. That's what made it possible for the government to enact barriers against other countries, like they're doing with China.
I hope US/Europe's OSs can learn something from it.
edit: not translating the page makes the captcha even easier, and I am an idiot.
Huawei Technologies on Thursday unveiled its first laptop that runs the company’s self-developed operating system, HarmonyOS, following the expiration of its Microsoft Windows license for personal computers (PCs) in March.
What kind of Windows license are we talking about here? I understood that Huawei is a hardware manufacturer. Any Windows license on a laptop they deliver would be an OEM license attached to the device, right? Are they saying that Huawei lost its contract to sell Windows OEM licenses with the devices it manufactures?
Is that a thing? Does Microsoft say to hardware makers that no, you cannot sell your hardware with Windows? What kind of dispute between Microsoft and Huawei leads to that outcome?
US sanctions against Huawei mean that they can't sign a renewal.
So its really an export license from the US government that is expiring.
[1] YeeHeart Inc sells the Windows and macOS builds, but Linux versions are only available on the Chinese version of their site. Kylin package can be installed on Wayland-enabled Ubuntu. The UI seems to be Chinese-only. On-topic: they have a HarmonyOS Next port as well.
>Make development enjoyable with distributed technologies
>Hardware synergy for resource sharing
>HarmonyOS treats different smart devices into a single super device, behind which all devices work collaboratively and share their resources to offer a seamless experience for users.
Does anyone know what this means, because it sounds amazing. Does the OS natively VPN all your devices and expose their storage/computes/etc in a Plan9-esque way?
Not very exciting IMO.
Uhm, I don't think so. How did you came up with that impression?
It sounds more like IOT