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Tade0 · 5 months ago
I spent a couple of months in Switzerland for a project and supermarkets there often have this booth that me and my friends referred to as the "Kingdom of Cheese".

The Kingdom of Cheese is a climate-controlled enclave with just cheese - the person there is happy to help you decide because they know you'll be back eventually as indeed the products there have those crystals.

EA-3167 · 5 months ago
Back eventually? I'd personally set up a little tent in the foyer and live there year 'round, like an increasingly portly mouse.
throwaway889900 · 5 months ago
At that point just call it Redwall Abbey!
Tade0 · 5 months ago
I would do the same, but that is a particularly expensive diet.
derelicta · 5 months ago
Oh my! I do miss these kingdoms of cheese myself! No offence to the British but they don't know what good cheese is :p
ndsipa_pomu · 5 months ago
That's fighting talk round my way!

I submit to you that you've not tried the good British cheeses such as a Baron Bigod (Norfolk Brie), a nettle covered Cornish Yarg, the well-named Stinking Bishop, the rolled-in-ashes Kidderton Ash, Yoredale, Yarlington, Stilton, Beauvale, Gorwydd Caerphilly, Driftwood, Pevensey Blue, Witheridge in Hay, Ailsa Craig ...

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WillPostForFood · 5 months ago
I’ve always loved the crunch in a good Gouda, and it’s really fun to read some details about tyrosine crystals that cause it.
jinushaun · 5 months ago
Like adding acid to fake sourdough…
geetee · 5 months ago
How long until cheese makers start adding the crunchy crystals to give the appearance of quality without the actual quality?
IneffablePigeon · 5 months ago
This happens already, at least it does in the UK. Most cheaper brands of “extra mature” supermarket cheddar have added crystals. I don’t actually mind that much - I do think it is a genuinely slightly more enjoyable product with the crystals.
jb1991 · 5 months ago
There are also fake ways of accelerating aging to create this effect, like the Old Amsterdam cheeses you’ll find in the Netherlands. That particular brand has a lot of fake qualities to it that creates these effects.
geetee · 5 months ago
Is this something they disclose on the packaging? I'm curious how to identify this in the cheese I buy.
borski · 5 months ago
Aside from cheddar (or similar), the crystals are always inside the cheese, so the appearance is nearly the same as those without the crystals.
geetee · 5 months ago
Sure, replace "appearance" with "impression" for a more accurate representation of my intent.
borski · 5 months ago
Visited Gouda in the Netherlands and learned this. Best cheese I’ve ever had.
jajko · 5 months ago
Old aged gouda is the best cheese I ever laid on my tongue. We live in Switzerland next to French border, so there is no end to universe of fine aged original Gruyeres, Beaufort or even Cheddar (but that one probably worse than what one can get in UK), plus all AOC Italian ones. Simply hard cheeses with grain, there are hundreds to choose from.

I love them all, but that gouda taste is something else to me and my wife. French shops just around the border luckily import some of it, I never saw it in Switzerland shops.

One way to upmark any cheese for us to put ie black truffles or wild black garlic in it.

Talking about gouda, gotta get me some slices before kids munch it all again.

clmul · 5 months ago
People in the Netherlands are usually not at all proud of their cuisine, but the cheese is definitely a nice aspect (as someone who eats the >1 year ripened stuff almost daily)

Although for me some of the French cheeses are the best. Just what you're used to I guess :D

twic · 5 months ago
Have you tried Mimolette? It has a similar character to those very old Goudas.
goosejuice · 5 months ago
L'amuse will blow the mind. One of the best cheeses out there and I've had hundreds.

Chällerhocker is another great one in your neck of the woods.

borski · 5 months ago
Same, tbh. I love cheese. But that aged Gouda is absolutely memorable. I can literally taste it now haha
dfxm12 · 5 months ago
I think when someone thinks of the Platonic ideal orange cheese, they taste aged gouda on their tongue.
kirtakat · 5 months ago
It's funny how as soon as I read to Netherlands, my brain back-tracked to correct me on the pronunciation.

If anyone else is ever in the Netherlands and has a chance, due the tour in Gouda, it's delightful and you get to try a bunch of gouda cheese!

borski · 5 months ago
I hate that I can’t say the word without saying it right, but that means that everyone else thinks I’m saying it wrong. Haha

Agreed btw, the tour in Gouda is wonderful. Show up for the morning when they have the cheese market; it’s a really fun time.

emmelaich · 5 months ago
It's Ghowda right? The gh like in argh and the ow in brown.
dekhn · 5 months ago
Cheese crystals are umami. Many of them are glutamate crystals. I am curious if the other amino crystals have a similar flavor profile.
jsbg · 5 months ago
In the sense that they contribute to umami taste, yes. But most commonly the nucleotides inosinate (from meat and fish) and guanylate (from dried mushrooms) are the other molecules that provide umami flavors.
facile3232 · 5 months ago
Also MSG, obviously.
rbrownmh · 5 months ago
The umami flavor of cheese, especially hard cheeses, is incredibly under appreciated. And I'll never understand the popularity of pre-shredded cheese...
dekhn · 5 months ago
Umami is a lot more present that people recognize. I've built up an intuition for this over the years, and also sort of trained my tongue.

What we call umami is a subjective experience that has an underlying molecular cause, but it's complicated: more than one molecule contributes to the sensation, different foods have different molecules, many people can't recognize it on its own, etc.

The most easily recognized umami tastes seem to come from hydrolyzed soy protein and yeast extracts- both are added to tons of food. The canonical example is Doritos, which are a masterpiece of modern food industrial optimization. Doritos are mostly corn, but they also add whey (cheese derived umami), MSG (molecular, isolated glutamate in salt form), buttermilk (multiple flavors including umami), romano cheese (more umami!), tomato powder (umami), inositate (umami). It's basically an umami bomb.

From what I can tell, the best umami flavors come from a combination of several different molecules combined with some salt. the combination seems to potentiate the flavor significantly. You can also saturate out your receptors- if you drink a highly concentrated broth, you'll see there's some upper limit to the amount of umami you can taste and after that, additional aminos are just wasted.

Cthulhu_ · 5 months ago
> I'll never understand the popularity of pre-shredded cheese...

If spending too much time in eve online taught me anything, it's that convenience is worth money. People are inherently lazy, and there's plenty of ways to exploit that.

The next level of pre-grated cheese is frozen pizza, for example.

frereubu · 5 months ago
Me either, but a relative who worked in processed foods told me the reason it exists isn't just lazy consumers, it's made from the oddly-shaped (by supermarket standards) offcuts that they can't sell otherwise.
7speter · 5 months ago
Was proud I planned out buying a couple of pounds of cheddar from the supermarket and keeping it in our spare fridge for a year and had aged cheddar for Thanksgiving baked mac and cheese last November.
floren · 5 months ago
If you're ever in Pullman, Washington, stop in at the WSU dairy store and get a few cans of Cougar Gold cheddar. Cheese in a can sounds weird, but it's delicious, made by the students, and it ages really well -- I've got some cans in my fridge which are coming up on a decade old now. It's kind of a waste to use an aged can for mac and cheese, but I used part of a younger can for mac & cheese and it came out beautifully.
psunavy03 · 5 months ago
As a Penn State grad I feel like WSU and PSU need to have a creamery-off for charity or something.
globular-toast · 5 months ago
Whenever I keep mild or medium cheddar too long it goes "mature" before long, but it doesn't taste good. French cheese, on the other hand, matures (affines) quite nicely at home.
shrubble · 5 months ago
Costco sells the Coastal cheddar which has a lot of this kind of crystals.
stevenwoo · 5 months ago
The Kirkland blocks of sharp cheddar can also have these on the outside.
NikkiA · 5 months ago
This thread makes me realise I must be the only person on earth that detests the taste of the crystals.
crossroadsguy · 5 months ago
And that I am the person who discards it trying not to hold with bare fingers whenever anything starts growing on any food item including cheese (which is a rare usage thing for me anyway; or maybe in my region; we use different kinds of cheese though, mostly consumed fresh).