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shortsunblack · a year ago
Related shenanigans: KPMG is the leading green-washer

https://www.icij.org/investigations/deforestation-inc/audit-...

danlindley · a year ago
Related shenanigans: KPMG misused confidential Australian government information to help big multinational companies avoid paying more tax (2023)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-05/pwc-pricewaterhouseco...

stuzenz · a year ago
actually, that was PWC - not KPMG. Although I think Deloitte was also implicated in some way

https://www.internationaltaxreview.com/article/2bxqngyds66en...

user_7832 · a year ago
As an outsider, all these firms appear equally (ethically) questionable. Is that correct or are there differences I'm missing out on?
NoPicklez · a year ago
As others mentioned this was PwC and has had enormous ramifications in Australia that will continue to get worse for the big 4
xyst · a year ago
> Revenue Increase US$36.4 billion (2023)[2]

[2] https://kpmg.com/xx/en/home/media/press-releases/2023/12/glo...

Just the cost of doing business at this point. Until executives and people start going to jail or companies face much worse repercussions. Then this behavior will continue across the market or industry.

wolverine876 · a year ago
The other missing cost is losing client business. How do clients see the fraud and still trust KPMG? Do you want to hire someone who can't even pass the accreditation test? An organization that tries to pass them off to you?
windthrown · a year ago
You're starting with the assumption that ethics are a priority for clients. While certainly and extreme case, don't forget that Enron was happy with Arthur Andersen's auditing for quite a while...
hightrix · a year ago
I worked at a company that was purchased by KPMG a while ago. On announcement, the first thing I did was a few internet searches.

I immediately started making plans to leave after seeing countless fraud cases against this company. I did not want to be associated with them.

So, they at least lost one software developer because of their practices. Possibly others.

Krasnol · a year ago
Where would they go to?

Which one of the big four are "clean"?

mcmcmc · a year ago
If that’s the biggest fine on record, not surprising that they keep breaking rules and trying to cover it up. KPMG cleared $35B last year, this is barely a slap on the wrist.
arp242 · a year ago
And the people involved walk away whistling without consequences. It doesn't matter if the fine is 0.1%, 10%, or 50% of yearly revenue if you're not the one paying it.
epalm · a year ago
More than that, the article says 36B last fiscal year. 25M is less than 1 tenth of 1 percent.
HenryBemis · a year ago
It would be worth checking 1-2 years from now how many clients they lost in the Netherlands. I suppose that an Audit Committee and an ExCo wouldn't like to have as "their auditor" someone who cheats, gets caught, gets fined.
louwrentius · a year ago
I’m listening to “The Big Con” by Mariana Mazzucato and Rosie Collington. This book discusses the state of CONsultancies (EY, KPMG, McKinsey, PWC, Atos, and so on.

Such a worthwhile read. Whatever you expect, it’s worse.

alephnerd · a year ago
KPMG is primarily an accounting and auditing firm. Same with PWC and EY.

While these companies have recently acquired management consultancies, they tend to firewall them due to accounting firms lack of prestige.

thundergolfer · a year ago
EY is banned in Germany from offering accounting services after this scandal: https://www.economist.com/business/2023/04/05/ey-gets-banned....

The others have similar but I think less severe scandals in other countries.

louwrentius · a year ago
Listen to the book as this topic is discussed at great length.
thundergolfer · a year ago
I found Mazzucato's Entrepreneurial State argument highly valuable in this day and age. I'll definitely check out this pod.

Big4 consultancies are decently desirable graduate hirers in my country, despite paying low, demanding long hours, and providing low value training. That's not to mention the malpractice scandals.

The fact that a graduate consultant gig is more respected than teaching roles and government positions shows the rot that's set in over the past 40 years.

stijnveken · a year ago
I'm currently reading through "When McKinsey Comes to Town" in the same vein. I recommend it!
louwrentius · a year ago
Thanks for the tip
javajosh · a year ago
They are moral-hazard-for-hire firms. Without their reputation they cannot function. Since govt uses them as much as biz govt has a disincentive to tarnish reputation.
sithlord · a year ago
Really not sure why the firm is paying fines for this. Seems more like each individual should lose their license.
badrabbit · a year ago
Because they use their consultants creds when selling services.
cosmicvarion · a year ago
Why doesn't the PCAOB improve the exam process to make this sort of cheating extremely difficult if not impossible? Why are the trainings and examinations being run in house at these firms?
guidedlight · a year ago
It’s likely all online and all multiple choice.

My (insert large financial company) has mandatory testing too, and there are no strict examination conditions. But nobody cheats.

There is no real consequence if you fail, you just resit it again. At worst you might have to brute force it.