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astrange · 4 years ago
This article is a bit old (like the other comment about missing year tag says).

I think there's newer news that AKG, an easy to get and cheap supplement, has anti-aging effects with no known issues.

https://www.science.org/content/article/bodybuilding-supplem...

mbreese · 4 years ago
The actual paper is here [1]. And it’s not quite as conclusive in mammals yet. But it sounds like there is a clinical trial to actually study the supplement, which is a welcome thing in the anti-aging world. I’m happy to read that this work came out of the Buck Institute in Novato, which is a solid research institution. It’s also a beautiful campus.

Disclaimer: I was there for a short stint as a postdoc a while back and not connected to this paper at all.

[1] https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cmet.2020.08.004

gniv · 4 years ago
That articles says "Alpha-ketoglutarate is a key metabolite in the tricarboxylic acid (TCA) cycle, and its levels change upon fasting, exercise, and aging."

But there is no citation for this statement. Any idea where to read about how these levels change naturally?

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yojo · 4 years ago
I went down this rabbit hole a little. It does seem like the specific formulation of AKG may matter. The commonly available supplements are L-Orthinine Alpha-Ketogluterate (OKG) and Arginine-Alpha-Ketoglutarate (AAKG).

The study in question used Calcium Alpha-Ketoglutarate (CAAKG).

There are a few sellers of CAAKG, but it is an order of magnitude more expensive than the others. (~$1.50/gram for CAAKG vs ~$.08/gram for OKG and ~$.05/gram for AAKG)

There have been studies in the past (for non-aging conditions) that have demonstrated a difference between OKG and AAKG, so it's reasonable to assume there may be a difference between CAAKG and the others as well. Without a study, who knows.

Also as other commenters have mentioned, the only evidence so far for aging related benefits is in mice. Of the human trial studies I could find for OKG use, it does seem like there were no reported side effects, so it might not hurt you, but it also might not do anything for you.

nick__m · 4 years ago
That article says that AKG was 2% of those mice diet, that a lot of supplements if the dosage transpose linearly to humans!
hilbertseries · 4 years ago
Anti-aging effects in mice*
jeroenhd · 4 years ago
If we make these mice strong, smart, and immortal enough, we may convince them to find anti-aging drugs for humans as well!
IshKebab · 4 years ago
We've got to be careful or we're going to end up with super-intelligent immortal mice!

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jamesblonde · 4 years ago
Epigenetics is fascinating. I just came back from a project meeting, where i work with people who discovered that HRT (hormone replacement therapy) slows down epithelial cell aging. Epithelial cells are the cells that cover all your vital organs, so they are important for aging.

Now, there are even commercial companies that measure Epigenetic age of cells with a technique called DNA methylation.

References: https://investinaustria.at/en/news/2022/03/epigenetic-clock-...

https://www.mydnage.com/?gclid=Cj0KCQjwheyUBhD-ARIsAHJNM-Mrk...

realitsflat · 4 years ago
DNA methylation is not a technique that can be applied. It is a biological system present in your cells silencing expression of genes that are not useful for a cells current behavior. Differently differentiated cells have different "genes methylated" and thus inactivated which govern their behavior and potential for further sub-differentiation. Indiscriminately "reversing methylation" would probably lead to a lot of "cancering".
jamesblonde · 4 years ago
You don't apply DNA methylation - it is the basis for measuring epigenetic age. I mentioned HRT as one way of reducing epigenetic age for epithelial cells.
aaaaaaaaaaab · 4 years ago
Time to hit up my gymrat brother for some testosterone I guess!
moonchrome · 4 years ago
Not sure riding high on dirty test (dosing TRT levels off toilet test going around gyms will be next to impossible) will slow down ageing - but it will probably make you juicy. Make sure to hit the gym to double the gainz.
monus · 4 years ago
They're conducting a Phase II trial now with 85 participants, the completion date is set to November 2022.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04375657

losvedir · 4 years ago
I'm getting somewhat interested in this topic. How did you know about this trial? I'm curious what good news sources are to follow so I can see when the results are out.
davidedicillo · 4 years ago
For anyone interested in the topic, I'd encourage reading "Lifespan" by David A. Sinclair. As someone with little to no-knowledge about aging (other than feeling the effects of aging on myself) I found it very instructive on how our aging clock works and what are some of the ongoing studies to slow down or revert aging.
jeppebemad · 4 years ago
I can the recommend recent interview with him on the The Knowledge Project podcast. Had a lot of aha-moments listening to that.
bredren · 4 years ago
Thanks for the tip.
jamesblonde · 4 years ago
Sorry, but he oversells his work. He has not contributed so much on epigenetics, but rather nad as a supplement. He oversells nad as a longevity aid. However, he advocates intermittent fasting, and i heard from a epogenetics research leader that there is an ongoing trial for intermittent fasting reducing your epigenetic age. So sinclair is not wrong on that, probably.
narrator · 4 years ago
You can do this at home, except for the little inconvenience that growth hormone is a scheduled drug. I wonder what the results would be with just growth hormone. Let's ask Sylvester Stallone[1] who looks great for 75 and got caught trying to get into Australia with illicit Growth Hormone a while ago[2].

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvester_Stallone

[2]https://abcnews.go.com/Health/ActiveAging/story?id=3176015

nick__m · 4 years ago
You can significantly boost your growth hormone level by using nicotinic acid (Niacin) and exercise, have a look at figure 3 in this paper https://journals.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/japplphysio... .

According to that paper it doesn't have a significant effect on the performance during exercise but it has a large effect on the serum level of GH. However it should be noted that this experiment was conducted on young healthy men and I have no idea if Niacin have the same effect in women or older men.

chefandy · 4 years ago
GH by itself decreases insulin sensitivity, aggravates insulin resistance, and may significantly increase cancer risk.
thelittleone · 4 years ago
Insulin sensitivity and resistance are a non-issue if combining HGH with a low carb diet (such as keto) and fasting.
pseingatl · 4 years ago
It has to be refrigerated, which makes travel difficult. Not to mention the hypodermics needed for intramuscular injections.
thelittleone · 4 years ago
Growth hormone can be injected subcutaneously. They now come in convenient pens with adjustable dosage that are so fine you can't feel the prick. But yes, they must remain refrigerated.
cycrutchfield · 4 years ago
Ask Dave Polumbo
__warlord__ · 4 years ago
I'll be happy if two things happen:

1. I can have "better years" in the same lifespan. Lots of energy at 90 for instance.

2. I can increase the lifespan of my dog by 50 years :)

xiphias2 · 4 years ago
90 is still an exceptional lifespan even if you take care of yourself. Human system breaks down randomly after the age of 70, and the complete breakdown depends on luck.
gdudeman · 4 years ago
If you have a large dog, you can sign up for a lifespan extension study now with rapamycin. https://dogagingproject.org/
more_corn · 4 years ago
I think daily exercise can get you #1 As for #2 Totally. We’ll only show that we deserve longer lifespans if we solve it first for dogs.
Shorn · 4 years ago
You are planning on asking the dogs if they really want to do that first, right?
asimpleusecase · 4 years ago
I’m no fan of death, but death (by natural causes - age, sickness , accident) has been how different generations have gotten rid some of the worst despots.
mrcartmeneses · 4 years ago
“The hate of men will pass and dictators die. And the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never perish."
richardw · 4 years ago
Similarly:

"Science progresses one funeral at a time".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck%27s_principle

D-Coder · 4 years ago
"Give me liberty AND give me death"?

I'd prefer to solve the despot problem in a way that doesn't involve me getting dead.

Several countries have managed to not have despots for long periods.

Dudeman112 · 4 years ago
Sounds like a self solving problem.

I reckon people will start caring about their despots if they expect to live a millennium under the despots' boot

BurningFrog · 4 years ago
I suspect people not caring is not the main underlying cause of despots.
r3drock · 4 years ago
I would not be so sure about that.

If you were expecting to live a much longer life, people might grow more fearful about the consequences of speaking up against a dictator.

kalimanzaro · 4 years ago
Does anybody know if the East German sportsfolk doped HGH? According to a recent HN post, their lifespan got reduced by around a decade.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31591777

erosenbe0 · 4 years ago
HGH seems to increase insulin resistance so without other interventions (e.g. metformin) it may be pro-aging.

Exceptional athletes in general may not have the same lifespan as age-matched healthy counterparts so not a good population to look at.

jokowueu · 4 years ago
Teens there were give mega doses of multiple anabolics steroids

Also hgh at a young age won't increase life span later in life anyways