chefandy (u/chefandy)

chefandy commented on DiffRhythm: Fast End-to-End Full-Length Song Generation with Latent Diffusion aslp-lab.github.io/DiffRh... · Posted by u/CrypticShift

01100011 · 6 months ago

I'm friends with plenty of starving artists or folks working day jobs and forced to keep their music on the side. If you're sad about not making money in music then there are dozens of other things you can blame besides AI that doesn't actually work well enough to take the job you currently don't have because of reasons not controlled by the evil software nerds.

chefandy · 6 months ago

I’m talking about problems a lot more broad than music, hobby artists are a completely different entity than commercial artists and conflating them is targeted willful ignorance. And frankly, developers comprise the most coddled, overprivileged, out-of-touch professional sector south of the c-suite in any industry: your musings about income for anyone outside of the software business are meaningless.

Enjoy your mass layoffs because they aren’t stopping in my sector. Oh, are you one of the special ones too talented to be affected? That’s good news because all developers are according to them. Good luck.

chefandy commented on DiffRhythm: Fast End-to-End Full-Length Song Generation with Latent Diffusion aslp-lab.github.io/DiffRh... · Posted by u/CrypticShift

dang · 6 months ago

Can you please make your substantive points without snark or fulmination? We're really trying for something else here.

This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

chefandy · 6 months ago

I get it, but the anguish of people who were paid dramatically less and treated dramatically worse than software developers whose livelihoods are being deliberately harpooned by the software business is not "sour grapes." I'd expect the software culture to be tolerant of the upper class being being indifferent to that anguish, but I see people around here all but dancing on their graves with no real push back. I think y'all generally do a good job with this place but frankly, the utter lack of consideration for the people most affected while being quick to make sure they don't get too touchy about it says everything there is to know about SV culture: all the talk of ethics and fairness get thrown right out the window the second they start to conflict with the bottom line. Fortunately American culture on a whole seems to be following suit so at least it won't seem weird. I don't think I can even passively participate in this culture anymore. I bid you well.

chefandy commented on DiffRhythm: Fast End-to-End Full-Length Song Generation with Latent Diffusion aslp-lab.github.io/DiffRh... · Posted by u/CrypticShift

perching_aix · 6 months ago

No, I only understand that you're doing your best to be hostile and strawman me. So please, do kindly explain.

chefandy · 6 months ago

I’ll get right on that

chefandy commented on DiffRhythm: Fast End-to-End Full-Length Song Generation with Latent Diffusion aslp-lab.github.io/DiffRh... · Posted by u/CrypticShift

perching_aix · 6 months ago

?? How do you think what you say follows from what I said?

chefandy · 6 months ago

You don’t understand how the ‘bonkers’ cost of creative worker relates to businesses that make creative products?

chefandy commented on DiffRhythm: Fast End-to-End Full-Length Song Generation with Latent Diffusion aslp-lab.github.io/DiffRh... · Posted by u/CrypticShift

6stringmerc · 6 months ago

It’s just combining sample WAV files without human coordination, talk about a lame-ass achievement. It’s already easy enough to set BPM and load in files in Ableton and warp them into unison, from what I heard this is basically just that with”HOORAY FOR AI” slathered as a veneer on top.

If you think I’m being harsh, I have my reasons as a professional musician to critique these things in an unflattering light because they are my competition. Thankfully actually “generated” AI music is trash. Copyright is problematic in the US, I admit, but tech bros using copyrighted material to train programs to put us out of business - without paying a penny which even Spotify doesn’t per stream - yeah, I’ll have some disdain about this scenario and I feel it’s justified.

Just because you can doesn’t mean you should.

chefandy · 6 months ago

Sorry no. Here on HN, your having a vested interest in some market makes your opinion entirely invalid. That is, enless you're interested in one of the correct markets such as software or AI services.

chefandy commented on DiffRhythm: Fast End-to-End Full-Length Song Generation with Latent Diffusion aslp-lab.github.io/DiffRh... · Posted by u/CrypticShift

perching_aix · 6 months ago

If I was a business I'd "hate" creatives too, and I'd also want to automate them away. The costs of producing (truly) creative works is utterly bonkers, and so are the risks associated.

chefandy · 6 months ago

That's why corporations that have made creative products have traditionally never gone anywhere. They all just went out of business. And all the artists got rich.

chefandy commented on DiffRhythm: Fast End-to-End Full-Length Song Generation with Latent Diffusion aslp-lab.github.io/DiffRh... · Posted by u/CrypticShift

dimatura · 6 months ago

One thing that strikes me about almost every AI-generated track (from academic or commercial generators), is that even if it's often "competent" - in that it has reasonable melodies, chord progressions, etc - is how average it is. Mediocre, taking the term literally. In a way that also highlights cliches and crutches that are common in human-made music. Somewhat reminiscent of GPT text that drones on and on in a grammatically correct way but conveys little of interest. This is of course not unexpected, given how these models are trained. I wonder if this will have an effect of pushing (human) musicians to be more experimental - to move away from the conventions that are now just a click away for anyone.

chefandy · 6 months ago

Yeah-- in a professional workflow, at best, these tools are for getting ideas rather than creating output that will be used directly. Lots of folks use them for actual creation because they're just so enamored with the ability to create vaguely technically competent output from text, but they're all pretty much a bee-line to mediocre, and overcoming mediocrity is absolutely the most difficult part of working with AI output. The same is true with text, as you mentioned, and image generators. As Charles Eames said, "The details are not the details. They make the design." Well, these tools suck with details, and details convey character, perspective, message, meaning, etc. Surely the tooling will improve this in years to come, but it certainly hasn't yet.

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Juliate · 6 months ago

Totally with you. But it's the trend we get to re-balance in a good way:

> People that never considered the value of artistic process until it was the topic du jour unilaterally decided that it was inefficient, oppressive, complex, frivolous, and unfairly inaccessible to those that hadn't put any sustained effort into developing theirs.

This is eerily reminiscent of what's happening inside the USA government & administration today...

chefandy · 6 months ago

It's incredibly elitist to gatekeep people having their plans, actions, opinions, and philosophical ideas taken seriously just because they haven't trudged through the onerous process of considering what humanity has already learned about those things. Do these people expect everybody that wants to profit must try to predict the damage that their actions could cause among people that will obviously be affected? Some people just don't like ethics that much, and expecting them to be beholden to their boundaries is pretty old fashioned.