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xupybd · 4 years ago
The banning of politicians from any public platform raises questions about the level of influence these platforms hold and their impact on democracy. I'm not sure where things will land but this is a bold move by YouTube. I'm surprised they picked Ron Paul to test this on.
neonate · 4 years ago
https://twitter.com/RonPaul/status/1443643765567143950 suggests that this is not a political ban. If it were political, they'd have banned his main channel, not a "seldom used" one.

> To clarify: The Ron Paul Liberty Report YouTube account is still available. The Ron Paul Institute's YouTube account has been terminated. It is a seldom-used account and its termination is perplexing.

drcongo · 4 years ago
Suspended, not terminated. And actually unsuspended 12 hours ago too - https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1443662425790816262
gibba999 · 4 years ago
They didn't pick Ron Paul to test this on, and it's not a bold move. YouTube has been in the censorship game for a long, long time.

A lot of content creators -- of documentaries -- created Nebula because they were sick and tired of getting censored.

https://nebula.app/videos?category=history

These aren't wackos. These are mostly serious scholars, tired of a serious problem with Google. I'm giving this as an example; this has been a problem for a lot of people for a long time.

xupybd · 4 years ago
For sure this is not the first instance of censorship but I'm not aware of any famous American politicians getting censored before, are there any?
AnEro · 4 years ago
Comparing messy AI that will demonetize/remove historic retellings of traumatic events, wars, and hate crimes to 'censoring' Ron Paul is ridiculous.

Most of them moved to because of demonetization... Where swearing can demonetize a video as well as mentioning rape or murder in contexts explicitly. Yes that is horrible to punish literal historians talking about these events that really happened that we should be educated on but, how do you separate those from actually hateful content so charmin/coke/corporation still will pay you to run ads?

Letting people think the vaccine is dangerous without scientific proof when they could die without it, isn't government regulation friendly.

edit: to day I learned there's a down vote feature lol. Didn't know acknowledging a private company has interests beyond letting people saying w/e when want when it can negatively impact their bottom line would be so controversial. Also banning him for being conservative is very different from banning spreading vaccine misinformation. Then grouping that with removing historians incomes due to messy AI implementation to save YouTube's ad friendliness to keep their bottom line is just a victim complex.

AnEro · 4 years ago
> I'm surprised they picked Ron Paul to test this on.

It's the perfect way to approach it. If what is being said is verifiably false and causes tremendous harm to people why should politicians get treated differently?

What other policies should they be exempt from because they are trying to build a brand for politics?

xupybd · 4 years ago
I'm assuming they have a profit motive not a moral one. I could be wrong but I'm very cynical when it comes to the motives of big companies.
gfdgfd432 · 4 years ago
Should videos that advocate for abolishing the police be removed and their creators banned too?
gowld · 4 years ago
> what is being said is verifiably false and causes tremendous harm to people

What was being said that is verifiably false and causes tremendous harm to people?

I don't know, and YouTube won't say. They just say that "something" was wrong, but not what was wrong.

pupppet · 4 years ago
It's funny how we all begrudgingly accept them booting people off for copyright infringement, but when it comes to personal free speech that affects you and I, people want to hold the line.

Everyone has been subtly programmed that lines must be crossed to protect the mega-corp, but if joe sixpack harms himself, hey that's the price of freedom.

worrycue · 4 years ago
Well, I think most people accept it because they really don’t have a choice when it comes to copyright, IP holders will bury them in lawsuits and YouTube will lose most of them.

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krapp · 4 years ago
>The banning of politicians from any public platform raises questions about the level of influence these platforms hold and their impact on democracy.

While the debate about the influence of social media platforms may or may not be relevant (I personally think their influence is all too often overblown to push a political agenda,) these are not and have never been public platforms.

josephcsible · 4 years ago
Can you give a non-hypothetical example of something that is a public platform?
unyttigfjelltol · 4 years ago
That's what shopping centers in California said ....[1]

[1] https://www.jonesday.com/en/insights/2008/08/union-access-to...

drocer88 · 4 years ago
What community standards were violated?
kwanbix · 4 years ago
That is a generic response. They never tell you, so you can never defend yourself, or even fix the problem.
jeffbee · 4 years ago
No, it gives the reason right there. Commercially deceptive content. Scams.
CanceledAccount · 4 years ago
Apparently this was completely by mistake and is fixed now.
saurik · 4 years ago
I feel like the term "mistake" must mean something different to you than it does to at least me. Like, we know this isn't some kind of "oops": from just the screenshots in the one linked tweet, we know he filed an appeal and of held up in appeal. I would buy "error", but errors are something that people should attempt to minimize and aren't necessarily excusable with a hand-waive.
_gohp · 4 years ago
So Ron Paul learned that YouTube is not radically libertarian.

I see appeal was received, funny thing he's saying out of nowhere, similar thing happened on Facebook.

dragonwriter · 4 years ago
> So Ron Paul learned that YouTube is not radically libertarian.

Nothing more radically libertarian than exercising your private property rights to control what ideas are spread by use of that property.

The people complaining on the basis that private parties should not have the right to control what ideas are spread using their own property, OTOH, are clearly not radically libertarian.

angelzen · 4 years ago
Good point. Radically libertarian is a nightmare. In general, radically $ideology usually is a nightmare. Some cultures even have a word for moderation, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagom
MiguelX413 · 4 years ago
Why is he shocked, are we thinking about the same YouTube?
mandmandam · 4 years ago
I'm not seeing any good reasons here for this to be flagged.

What am I missing?

mixmastamyk · 4 years ago
Also, how to vote to unflag a post? Sometimes there is a vouch, but not available here.

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