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serial_dev · 5 years ago
It's interesting how regular people rush to buy cryptocurrencies when the valuation is at all-time-high. Then, in a month everybody will freak out that they can't buy a Lambo yet, even worse, they lost around 50% (based on past peaks).

Of course, I can't predict the future, so maybe it's the first time a peak will never end? :)

hmate9 · 5 years ago
~97% of retail trades lose money. When things dont immediately go they way they panic sell and when they do they never sell. Crypto is no different.
wmf · 5 years ago
If only they had bought at the all-time high of $20K they would be happy now.
serial_dev · 5 years ago
I was not trying to imply that BTC's price will never go higher than the current price.

I just find it interesting how regular people (including me, I'm not a big crypto enthusiast and I don't follow the prices and innovations in the field) are inclined to buy when they hear about the peak in the news and then expect that the price will continue to go up, then get frustrated when in about a month, the value of their acquired coins go down.

I guess, hodl?

encoderer · 5 years ago
There is such a negative emotional reaction to both BTC and TSLA. Sometime over the last 10 years or so we've found ourselves really moving forward from the old guard of the 20th century and we have real new beginnings. It's not that "this time it's different" it's "the times are different".

Embrace it, buy a small amount of bitcoin, buy a small amount of tesla, be part of something big, if it pops it will not hurt you, if it continues to grow and evolve you will be part of it.

krrrh · 5 years ago
It’s not even negativity just incredulity. TSLA has a larger market cap than all other car companies combined. I’m tickled to see a new entrant in automotive succeed, but the frothiness around it is based less on fundamentals or realistic growth prospects and more on something approaching religious fervour. The sentiment about turning over the old guard has a very strong “new economy” 1999 feeling to it.

All the above applies to Bitcoin as well, which has largely failed at all the practical uses that were proposed to justify its early rise.

encoderer · 5 years ago
I'm old enough to remember 1999 too. I think there was a lot of economic fear in our industry then. Outsourcing was big and people predicted most software would be written in Asia. The dot-com stocks crashed. People called tech a bubble.

And if you were, like me, starting your career back then with Enron in the backdrop, it's easy to get pretty cynical. It's left many people, for nearly a decade now, expecting the next crash. But it takes optimism to make money I think.

I think tesla is frothy. I've sold some and bought other things with the gains. But I'm going to hold because I'm going to make a bet that the better tech and team wins.

worik · 5 years ago
Bitcoin is useless for "practical uses that were proposed to justify its early rise"

Unless it is a small group using it (less than a million) there is no way it is ever going to do transactions fast enough.

morpheuskafka · 5 years ago
The main reason I don't like TSLA is not that I think electric cars will go bust, but that the company does not have good leadership. The CEO just does not seem to have any common sense, openly taunting regulators on Twitter, racking up defamation lawsuits and SEC penalties, etc. There's a lot of startup era hype and showmanship projects that don't come out as promised.

As for crypto, I definitely see a future for it and plan to invest soon, but I will wait to see if it dips back down a little bit before buying at such a large high.

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lrossi · 5 years ago
Actually a lot of people like the tech behind cryptocurrencies. The blockchain has a lot in common with the inner workings of git, for example.

What I don’t like is all the scams they have been used for.

encoderer · 5 years ago
Then you must really hate the US Dollar!
antr · 5 years ago
On Tesla, like any other publicly traded business, cashflow is the value driver. Fundamentals end up catching up with valuations.
bochoh · 5 years ago
And they're now down! https://status.coinbase.com/

edit: added status page

BryanBeshore · 5 years ago
Considering a pending IPO, you would think this would be addressed by now. Far too often they are they are down; especially when big swings are happening in the crypto-currency market.
almost_usual · 5 years ago
At this point I don’t think the market will react negatively to anything except interest rates going up.
hn_throwaway_99 · 5 years ago
This feels so much like the modern day equivalent of the shoeshine boy giving stock tips in the 1920s.
bitstan · 5 years ago
The shoeshine boy is HN equating BTC to "tulip mania" for a decade. The day that stop.. SELL
andirk · 5 years ago
There's Square's Cash App as well. Coinbase fees are through the roof now.
BryanBeshore · 5 years ago
...If you don't trade $50M+/month
bitxbitxbitcoin · 5 years ago
As people wonder if maybe Coinbase app will work when Coinbase's website isn't working.
agumonkey · 5 years ago
A new metric emerges.

There's still the good old https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=%21gtrends+buying+ethereum

justinzollars · 5 years ago
Everyone is rushing to buy bitcoin at all time highs
mrits · 5 years ago
If you did last week you would have already doubled your investment
avalys · 5 years ago
Only if you're smart enough to know when to sell and never buy back in.
paxys · 5 years ago
The stock market has been at "all time highs" for most of its existence. Doesn't mean it is a bad time to invest.
arcticbull · 5 years ago
Crypto however has not. It has spent a comparatively tiny fraction of its time at ATH as one would expect for a speculative bubble. In fact, it spent the last 3 years way below its ATH.
caoilte · 5 years ago
Can't see what could possibly go wrong.
ptruesdell · 5 years ago
I guess I'll hold off selling then.
turtlebits · 5 years ago
High or low is just a relative term. Current price is "fair" value.
tempsy · 5 years ago
an entire unique asset class that is worth one Tesla. seems low, no?
arcticbull · 5 years ago
You're comparing a speculative mania in fictional crime-bucks to a speculative mania in a car company worth more than Facebook while simultaneously selling just 4% as many cars as Toyota. Tesla's price to earnings ratio is 1500 meaning it would take until the year 3521 for it to earn back its market cap.

The fact you're even making this assessment tells me this isn't going to end well for anyone.

Heed my warning: The bubble pops when the last bear dies.

iso8859-1 · 5 years ago
Doesn't make any sense to compare X satoshis to Y Teslas and imply some natural exchange rate between the two.

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frockington1 · 5 years ago
US is also creating dollars at all time highs. As money supply increases, asset prices inflate
arcticbull · 5 years ago
No. This is incorrect, and a misunderstanding of economics.

CPI, price inflation, is tracking at 2% as expected. Housing is actually down.

Stocks are up because some people have a bunch of extra cash and nothing to do during the day. These two are not connected.