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superuser2 commented on Use of Ad-Blocking Software Rises by 30% Worldwide   nytimes.com/2017/01/31/te... · Posted by u/t23
dwaltrip · 9 years ago
You are forgetting some really simple cases like:

1) My friend has one

2) I saw one at a party or work function

3) I was at the store a while back, browsing around (of my own volition), and learned about them

I could go on, but you get the idea. There are very many ways to learn about new things other than overt advertising. If we are being lenient, it's actually not too different from asking "how does culture spread and evolve?" Humans have been doing this stuff for thousands of years.

To address the second half of your post, I do agree 100% that it's impossible and unreasonable to draw a really hard line against all advertising. But I think we can certainly do way, way better than we do now.

superuser2 · 9 years ago
>1) My friend has one

Having your product out in the world with a brand name on it is a form of advertising, and it works really well because people don't recognize it as such.

Some people do recognize it, which is why they'll do stuff like de-badge their cars, to avoid being an agent of the "my friend has one" or "I saw one" form of advertising. My grandparents found this terrifyingly insidious and tried to be cognizant of and reject it whenever possible. Now we all wear logos without a second thought.

>3) I was at the store a while back, browsing around (of my own volition), and learned about them

Manufacturers jockey with retailers for prominent shelf space (or shelf space at all) as part of their advertising efforts.

Similarly, a storefront with signage in a heavily (foot) trafficked area is one of the most expensive (per impression) ad placements that money can buy.

superuser2 commented on Use of Ad-Blocking Software Rises by 30% Worldwide   nytimes.com/2017/01/31/te... · Posted by u/t23
tszymczyszyn · 9 years ago
Advertising does not equal flow of information.
superuser2 · 9 years ago
Sure it does. Advertising is the flow of information about what products and services are available, how much they cost, and where to purchase them. Some are crass, some are subtle, some are sprayed, some are targeted, and the very best (personal recommendations and such) aren't even paid for. They are all advertisements.
superuser2 commented on Use of Ad-Blocking Software Rises by 30% Worldwide   nytimes.com/2017/01/31/te... · Posted by u/t23
zanny · 9 years ago
I don't buy for a second that the end of advertising would harm GDP. It would take generations of cultural turnover to move people away from consumerism. If people were not being psychologically manipulated into buying certain products they don't need or want, they will just buy what they want instead.
superuser2 · 9 years ago
How will people know where or how to buy what they want without advertising?
superuser2 commented on Use of Ad-Blocking Software Rises by 30% Worldwide   nytimes.com/2017/01/31/te... · Posted by u/t23
redial · 9 years ago
Apparently history counts for nothing. If you are trying to claim the entirety of the human experience as some kind of living advertisement you have one hell of a claim to prove. Entire cultures lived and died before the first word was ever even writen. They sang, they made language, they created art, all without even thinking about the concept of money. Advertisement, as is being discussed, is relatively new, and to try to muddle the discussion by positioning it as the cornerstone of civilization is to miss entirely the point.
superuser2 · 9 years ago
If you believe the human experience before modern technology and economics was good enough, why aren't you living it? What in the world are you doing on a computer?

Yes, many people lived and died in an era when there was no time for economic activity beyond extracting dinner from local fauna or the land. The process by which they first learned about and acquired farm implements, giving them the time to do other things, is called advertising.

superuser2 commented on Use of Ad-Blocking Software Rises by 30% Worldwide   nytimes.com/2017/01/31/te... · Posted by u/t23
dwaltrip · 9 years ago
I'm curious what led you to such conclusions. That depiction does not match how I view the world at all.

Just because an item doesn't prevent one from starving or freezing to death does not mean it is an "artificially inseminated need".

Sure, GDP might drop 10% in the short-term if all advertising was banished. Who knows. What I do know is that people won't stop wanting things that make their life better, and in general will continue to buy such things.

Advertising is not what keeps us from a peasant lifestyle.

superuser2 · 9 years ago
> people won't stop wanting things that make their life better, and in general will continue to buy such things.

This is nonsensical.

You can only buy something if you know that it exists for sale and where.

The process by which you acquire this information is, by definition, advertising.

superuser2 commented on Use of Ad-Blocking Software Rises by 30% Worldwide   nytimes.com/2017/01/31/te... · Posted by u/t23
quantum_magpie · 9 years ago
In the present society, the advertisers managed to completely ruin the way cities look with their endless flashing neon signs (and in the past few years I've noticed a vast increase in audio-based advertisements outside), they have ruined the best observation spots, skylines, and in many cases, even parks with their billboards; the public TV which is funded by tax money is a complete ad-cancer. The same with radio, or sports games. It got me to the point where I consciously block every advertisement, but it sometimes gets really mentally taxing. I've stopped listening to radio, watching TV or basically going to any larger-scale public outing.

I am not giving them the internet too!

They can take their unwritten pact and starve.

The worst offenders however, are the ones that require a payment to use, and still completely overwhelm you with the ads (Public transport in my case). I do subscribe to some services where the subscription removes ads, and I gladly pay for mobile applications that offer a reasonable (<10$) cost to ad-free experience. However, I have observed the overwhelming majority of content to be completely worthless, and I do not lose anything by not coming back.

superuser2 · 9 years ago
Most of us are employed producing goods and services for which people are not born with an innate desire.

Approximately the only people who can bash advertising without hypocrisy are subsistence farmers. The rest of us are paid to satisfy artificially inseminated needs. Perhaps our specific industries and employers use classier, higher-quality, and more subtle forms of advertisement, but in a truly ad-free world, we'd not spend money on anything but staying fed, warm, and reproductive.

superuser2 commented on Hollywood as We Know It Is Over   vanityfair.com/news/2017/... · Posted by u/jamessun
vostok · 9 years ago
Hollywood is being disrupted as we speak. Look at the incredible success of Annapurna, A24, and the original content by Netflix and Amazon.
superuser2 · 9 years ago
Original content by Netflix and Amazon is produced by the same companies, people, and tools as the rest of Hollywood's output, just for a different distribution system.
superuser2 commented on San Francisco's public defecation map – highlights a shitty situation   engadget.com/2014/11/21/s... · Posted by u/rm2904
superuser2 · 9 years ago
Forget exhaust, this is the real air quality problem.
superuser2 commented on Messaging Is the One Thing People Do More Than Anything Else on Their Phone   medium.com/@peter.e.schro... · Posted by u/peterschroeder
JustSomeNobody · 9 years ago
What I want more than anything is a popular open protocol. I want to be able to choose between 10 different messaging apps on each of the platforms that I use and they all speak the same protocol.
superuser2 · 9 years ago
We have this, it's called SMTP and IMAP.

If you feel (as I do) that they haven't sufficiently adapted to the current era, why do you think any other open protocol would be able to change more easily?

superuser2 commented on Ask HN: Will we ever have affordable and attractive urban housing for all?    · Posted by u/drcross
superuser2 · 9 years ago
The prevailing winds in the regulatory climate do not seem to point towards a skyscraper construction boom anytime soon.

Over in technology, we're rapidly marching towards cheap household-scale solar panels and batteries, commodity autonomous driving technology, and cheap electric cars. Elon Musk's satellite constellation will deliver decent internet service regardless of the population density/economics needed to support fibre buildout. Telepresence is already good and keeps getting better.

The society coming down the line is one made of energy-independent prefab houses with no particular constraints on location (so they'll go to where land is cheapest), drastically improved freeway throughput (autonomous cars can pack much more densely), and car interiors not much different from small apartments (you'll be able to eat, sleep, and work while the computer drives).

So, as it gets easier to live farther from work, the economic incentives for everyone to cluster into a few square miles will diminish greatly.

u/superuser2

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