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fzeindl · 9 days ago
I once digged into this database out of curiosity and found incredibly detailed research on many edge cases. Like time zones in Germany being temporarily aligned to Moscow during soviet occupancy after World War Two.

One particular commenter stood out to me, so I looked him up because I was interested which kind of people spend so much time correcting timezone information.

Turns out he was an astrologer and wanted his astrology-program to work perfectly correct.

I find it funny that we have to thank astrology for the correct calculations in our banking software :).

Mountain_Skies · 9 days ago
On the other hand, it was also astrologers that made copyright claims on the database and caused it to become unavailable to the world for a short period of time.
jventura · 9 days ago
It were not astrologers, it was a company that creates astrology software.. Don't mix people with companies, they are different things! One is there definitely for the money, the other may or may not..
vintagedave · 9 days ago
I didn’t see that in the blog post!

I was curious and found more info here: https://www.computerworld.com/article/1548822/astrolabe-with...

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netsharc · 9 days ago
Amusing story of the chaos of timezones in Saudi Arabia and a man who made his own: https://archive.aramcoworld.com/issue/196902/dinner.at.when....

Linked from https://github.com/eggert/tz/blob/main/asia#L3818

rawling · 9 days ago
I enjoyed getting an instant rate limit screen trying to load that blob (and then the one linked from TFA).

I don't think I have anything on my network hammering GH...

dlcarrier · 9 days ago
Generally, if you're web browser isn't leaking loads of personally identifiable information, everything reacts like you're a bot.
Cyphase · 9 days ago
I also get that screen on GitHub occasionally, so it's not just you.
dfc · 9 days ago
If you like this there has been a interesting discussion on the tzdb mailing list about how to handle the Vancouver change and the next releases of the tzdb and the Unicode Common Locale Data Repository: https://lists.iana.org/hyperkitty/list/tz@iana.org/thread/IE...
mulmen · 9 days ago
Interesting to see mention of how quickly this was implemented. It seemed sudden to me but I wasn’t sure if I was just out of the loop.
pezezin · 9 days ago
> I’ve perused the tz repository before, and I always learn something interesting. For example, during WWII Britain adopted double summer time, adding two hours to the clock in the summer and one hour in the winter.

My country, Spain, did the same but never fixed it, so we are still in this "double summer time". It is one of the main reasons why Spanish people seemingly do everything later (breakfast, lunch, dinner) than other European countries.

kgwgk · 9 days ago
Other Western European countries like France also switched to German time during the war and kept it afterwards.
Scarblac · 9 days ago
Yes, the Netherlands too (we were on +0:20 before).

But Spain is much further to the west.

grodriguez100 · 9 days ago
Spain is not “double summer time”, it is just on an offset that is off by one hour related to its geographical position.
pezezin · 9 days ago
That's why I wrote it in quotes, it is not an official term. But call it however you want, the results are the same.
russellbeattie · 9 days ago
Just last night some friends brought up the time change tonight and the news from British Columbia, and what the California government has or hasn't done about it currently and in the past and why we haven't just gotten rid of the system already to save us the trouble of adjusting clocks twice a year.

And of course, there was instantly a heated debate about whether to permanently choose Standard Time or Daylight Saving Time, with passionate, almost religious arguments for both options. I feared sectarian violence was about to erupt at the dinner table.

Our collective relationship with time is truly unhinged.

#teamdaylightsaving

ithkuil · 9 days ago
What is "team DST"? Those who want permanent DST or those who want to do things as they are where DST is on for half of the year?
russellbeattie · 9 days ago
The first one, though it's just a joke. I think honestly I'm more #TeamJustPickOneAlready.
pinkmuffinere · 9 days ago
> #teamdaylightsaving

Don't talk to me or my son ever again.

russellbeattie · 9 days ago
LOL. I always enjoy a nice meme callback.
globular-toast · 9 days ago
The thing is, it doesn't matter. Everyone with an argument is wrong. All you're arguing about is when you start/finish work/school. But it it doesn't matter and you have to arbitrarily label the hours of the day with numbers, you'd obviously pick standard time and not randomly offset everything by an hour.
michaelt · 9 days ago
> you'd obviously pick standard time and not randomly offset everything by an hour

Isn't Pacific Daylight Time = Mountain Standard Time?

You can offset everything by an hour and still have 'standard' in the name of the timezone.

russellbeattie · 9 days ago
Agreed.

The problem is that so much of our culture is tied to specific hours on the clock (e.g. "9 to 5"), even though it doesn't need to be that way. China has one time zone and it works fine. Most of Spain is west of Greenwich, yet remains on European time. People there just adjust and don't insist that certain times of day have universal meanings.

Standard Time vs Daylight Saving Time is exactly the same as Big Endian vs Little Endian. Jonathan Swift is laughing at us from the beyond.

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Mountain_Skies · 9 days ago
Though I'd prefer solar noon to be close to clock noon, I'd be fine with permanent DST if it meant we stop fiddling with the clocks twice a year. I can adjust the relationship between clock time and solar time for myself just fine, even if some aspects of society care more about clock time than solar time. It's the hour jump twice a year that annoys me.
ColinEberhardt · 9 days ago
I agree, timelines are fascinating. I did my own research and built a simple visualisation of the changes in time zones over a 120 year period:

https://blog.scottlogic.com/2021/09/14/120-years-timezone.ht...

ciju · 9 days ago
Nice visualizations. I went the opposite way, showing how many times the timezones were adjusted for different regions, on map (both with and without DST).

https://ciju.in/writings/understanding-timezones

liampulles · 9 days ago
It's well worth subscribing to the tz updates mailing list, not just to be cognisant of timezone changes, but to add a bit of bemusement to your day.
NewJazz · 9 days ago
Is this article finished? There are mentions of excerpts from the database, but the excerpts are not reproduced or linked to, as far as I can tell.
robotmlg · 9 days ago
There is a link to the North America file, where all those referenced stories can be found.
NewJazz · 9 days ago
Got it, didn't realize they were all in the same file I guess.
jprs · 9 days ago
Below the link to the North America file, you should see a few examples:

> A spirited attack on daylight savings from Canadian intellectual Roberton Davies in 1947: [full quote]

> A story of a public clock in Nashville in the 1950s with “dueling faces”—one time for conservatives and another for liberals.

> An account of the “day of two noons” in New York City in 1883, when standardized time zones were adopted and “local time” was abandoned forever.

> A detective story about ascertaining the proper chronology of time zones in Resolute Bay, a tiny community north of the Arctic circle.