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kamranjon · a month ago
Can someone with more context explain what this means and maybe the background?
josephcsible · a month ago
Android 16 QPR1 rolled out in binary-only form to phones that are blessed by Google over two months ago, and it's only just now that they bothered to actually release the source of their open-source operating system.
o11c · a month ago
And it is very important to remember: being able to do this is the reason why companies have brainwashed the Internet into choosing the MIT license for everything.

With GPL-only code, the world would be much nicer for all of us.

bitpush · a month ago
> it's only just now that they bothered to actually release the source of their open-source operating system.

Do you really need to have snark for an open source project?

rkagerer · a month ago
Have they been in breach of GPL terms during the intervening two months?
joecool1029 · a month ago
This means the source code is finally being released for the quarterly release that came out in september. Roms like lineageos had to target QPR0 which came out back in June but can now bring up to this. Google used to release the source to AOSP right after the releases happened, now they don't.
gpm · a month ago
Additional context per fediverse thread: The GPL code (i.e. kernel) was released on time, this is the AOSP userspace portions which Google isn't legally obligated to release (which doesn't make it not a dick move not to).
berkes · a month ago
What was Googles "corporatespeak" reason for not releasing it right away?
lawn · a month ago
Another practical consequence is that GrapheneOS may finally be able to support Pixel 10 phones.
degamad · a month ago
Yep! https://piunikaweb.com/2025/11/12/grapheneos-pixel-10-suppor...

Edit: never mind, this is just an article quoting the post at the top of this discussion.

rk06 · a month ago
it means custom roms maintainers like lineageos, can now work on adding android 16.1 builds
jeffbee · a month ago
The largest and most widely used open source project in history is releasing one of their periodic updates, and lots of people with no industry (or life) experience are going to complain about it.
charcircuit · a month ago
e40 · a month ago
Since when did they stop using Gerrit? On mobile and it doesn’t appear to be that.
tripdout · a month ago
They still do. This is Android Code Search, which is a typical file tree and contents viewer.
zorgmonkey · a month ago
They still use gerrit, that site is a code search UI that they have that is also a very nice way to navigate the code.
virajk_31 · a month ago
What's the current status of custom ROM development these days!! I hv been out of the sync for a while. It seems mostly dead except for few players like LOS, Graphene, Paranoid (prolly), I guess there are still some smaller enthusiasts, but they probably just kang old code and features rather than providing stable support.
preisschild · a month ago
Very happy with the quality of GrapheneOS and modern Google Pixel devices. Can recommend.
a456463 · a month ago
It is certainly not dead. The dead thing should be forced obsoletion and vendor lock-in. Dead is a subjective term.
subscribed · a month ago
GOS is not "paranoid", lol, it's just releasing the fastest asd adding cherry on top, and not bundling Google services (but allowing you to install them)
virajk_31 · a month ago
Ik GOS is not paranoid, "prolly" -> I wasn't sure whether Paranoid is still alive or not, it was there last year though
celsoazevedo · a month ago
13hunteo · a month ago
Paranoid is another custom ROM - GP wasn't calling Graphene paranoid.
aboringusername · a month ago
If you're wondering for a possible reason and whether google is just being "lazy", see [1].

Tl;Dr: google has certain commitments they need to make depending on when the source code is released. Expect more delays moving forward thanks to this law.

[1]: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=OJ%3AJOL...

codethief · a month ago
> certain commitments they need to make depending on when the source code is released

…or when OS updates are released, see Annex II B 1.2 (6) (c) and (d) ("Smartphones" > "Design for reliability" > "Operating system updates")

So given that the updates were already released months ago, the release of the source code is irrelevant.

aboringusername · a month ago
And what does 'released' mean in this context? GrapheneOS has very publicly stated that security patches are under embargo, and they already have patches for the March 2026 release. See [1]:

> 2025110800: All of the Android 16 security patches from the current December 2025, January 2026, February 2026 and March 2026 Android Security Bulletins are included in the 2025110801 security preview release. List of additional fixed CVEs:

So, have they been released? No. So the clock hasn't started ticking yet. This EU law made security worse for everyone as patches that are done today are not released for 4+ months.

Note: These are CLOSED source blobs GrapheneOS is shipping. If they were open source, the 4 months clock would trigger immediately but they are not allowed to do this themselves as they get the patches from an OEM partner. GrapheneOS shipping these CLOSED source blobs, that Google has NOT released does not trigger the timer.

I do accept that QPR1 was 'released' by Google on Pixel months ago, and therefore the timer started, however, Google will likely pick and chose what is best for OS updates/security patches. It explains why AOSP is now private/closed source and embargos are being used to get around the laws requirements.

[1]: https://grapheneos.org/releases#2025110800

From the EU law:

> (c) security updates or corrective updates mentioned under point (a) need to be available to the user at the latest 4 months after the public release of the source code of an update of the underlying operating system or, if the source code is not publicly released, after an update of the same operating system is released by the operating system provider or on any other product of the same brand;

> (d) functionality updates mentioned under point (a) need to be available to the user at the latest 6 months after the public release of the source code of an update of the underlying operating system or, if the source code is not publicly released, after an update of the same operating system is released by the operating system provider or on any other product of the same brand;

charcircuit · a month ago
>google has certain commitments

It reads to me like the opposite. Another case of manufacturers being unable to release updates in a prompt manner. Google delaying the release gives them more time to update.

phoronixrly · a month ago
What? Please explain what commitments exactly are causing Google to not release source code at the same time as the update. Until you do that, your statement is as valuable as writing 'Thanks, Obama!'
berkes · a month ago
Yea, GP sounds like they want to drag "EU Bad" into this discussion.

I fail to see how this EU regulation promotes releasing software Closed Source and demotes releasing it Open Source.

userbinator · a month ago
it has an integrated touch screen display with a viewable diagonal size of 10,16 centimetres (or 4,0 inches) or more, but less than 17,78 centimetres (or 7,0 inches);

I wonder if 3.99 inch and 7.01 inch smartphones will start appearing again.

pmontra · a month ago
That should be easy for foldables: an external sub 4" display and an over 7" main display.
tensegrist · a month ago
> where the device has a foldable display or has more than one display, at least one of the displays falls into the size range in either opened or closed mode.

also this: does this mean that foldable phones with three 3.99" screens are excluded

realusername · a month ago
Parts of AOSP like the apps have been in limbo for way longer than that, maybe since Android 12.
xzjis · a month ago
This has absolutely nothing to do with that law, and even Google doesn't dare use it as an excuse for its behavior (as they did with GDPR by deliberately creating user friction that the European regulation did not require, and even partially forbids).

In reality, it's a purely political decision to curb the development of third-party ROMs, because the AOSP source code exists with all the merges and is distributed to vendors (like Samsung). However, it's not necessarily just to target GrapheneOS and LineageOS; it might also be to target the Chinese market, particularly Huawei, which uses this source code for HarmonyOS.

aboringusername · a month ago
It absolutely has everything to do with this new law. For the first time, depending on when Google releases source code, or releases a Pixel update, the timer (4 months for security, 6 months functionality) starts. This has never existed before in Android OS' history that updates are timed (in law) according to Pixel updates/software updates or open source releases. This law also applies to Apple but they will have no problems as they are compliant anyway as they control software/hardware entirely and it's closed source.

This is the entire reason AOSP went private/closed source, and why Google is delaying security patches as per GrapheneOS. The March 2026 patches are already released by GrapheneOS as closed source blobs. They are not allowed to release them as open source by embargo (essentially NDA). Why do you think Pixel hasn't shipped security patches earmarked for March 2026? There are some critical bugs those patches fix, why not release them today, right now or next month? Because if Pixel releases just a single patch, via a Pixel update or posts it on AOSP, the 4 month timer begins for every single OEM with a phone in the EU. By making the patches under embargo, Google gets to control exactly when the timer starts to coordinate with their OEMs. So the slowest OEM gets to control the entirety of Androids security model.

Ask yourself, why doesn't GrapheneOS just release their patches publicly/open source? Why have different 'security releases' with closed source blobs?

Because if they did:

1: They lose their partner OEM access to these patches

2: Every OEM would be required to release those same patches 4 months to the day GrapheneOS releases them.

Klonoar · a month ago
Isn’t Huawei moving away from Android as a base for Harmony?

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