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28304283409234 · 2 months ago
Reminds me of the Killer whales of Eden, where for a period of 90 years or so orcas would assist whalers in catching whales. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killer_whales_of_Eden,_New_Sou...
K0balt · 2 months ago
Perhaps they heard about orcas attacking boats (again), and are working on maintaining good relations with a species that they can’t help but notice impacts their wellbeing.

Orcas (and whales in general) attacking boats died off steeply after the abandonment of whaling by most of the world. With orcas this makes perhaps a little less sense from an incentive standpoint, but it seems that whale attacks and specifically orca attack frequency moved more or less together.

Recently there has been a rash of orcas attacking and sinking small yachts and boats around the Iberian peninsula, which is mostly attributed to juveniles within a certain cultural group. (Dolphin antifa lol?)

Realistically though the gifting is probably not “politically motivated” lol. But with intelligent animals, I’ve found that it’s very, very easy to underestimate the often surprising sophistication of their actions.

missedthecue · 2 months ago
Orcas have been to known to intentionally assist whalers hunting for Baleen whales, so I don't know about this theory

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Tom_(orca)

krisoft · 2 months ago
> Orcas (and whales in general) attacking boats died off steeply after the abandonment of whaling by most of the world.

That's interesting if true. What do you base this on? In other words: do you have a source for that?

K0balt · 2 months ago
Only source is that I’ve been a sometimes-mariner and cruising family captain since the 80s, hearing about the reports on the cruiser HF nets, and gradually witnessing a change from often aggressive , sometimes disastrous encounters to mostly peaceful or even sometimes friendly or helpful encounters into the 2010’s.

I’m sure there is data somewhere, though. In the 90s, the gradual drop off in attacks was widely attributed to whales that witnessed whaling aging out. I doubt there is any scientific validation for this theory, but it is plausible as there are many accounts of whales with old whaling wounds being exceptionally aggressive, with some becoming legendary in their own right.

dredmorbius · 2 months ago
Leopard seals have been observed practicing similar behaviour:

"How a Leopard Seal Fed Me Penguins" (2014)

<https://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/article/140311-...>

pcdoodle · 2 months ago
Fun video on that page.
giorgioz · 2 months ago
Orca Uses Bait To Hunt Bird https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14wWxaMR2Mg

Orcas understand the concept of bait. It is possible the bird was either a gift or a bait to lure in a bigger prey.

s_dev · 2 months ago
Surely we can rule out bait if the cameraman is underwater with the Orca. At that point there isn't much stopping the Orca preying on the human especially if we're acknowledging their intelligence.
Y-bar · 2 months ago
They apparently hunt Moose on occasion: https://www.forbes.com/sites/scotttravers/2024/10/22/4-decad...

(I know Forbes is not generally the best link, but the author of this article is an actual evolutionary biologist)

techterrier · 2 months ago
Never happened in the wild. The only recorded incidents of Orca attacking humans were in the aquariums.
fainpul · 2 months ago
The birds in the video are out of reach (until one isn't). I'm sure orcas perceive humans in water as very slow and easy to catch - baiting would not make sense.
b112 · 2 months ago
I wonder if we accidental scare or chase their predators away.

Or, hmm. Orca are pack animals I believe. If we killed a competing family of Orca (even by accident), maybe the gift is a thanks for the perception of "siding with my family".

Peteragain · 2 months ago
Someone once pointed out to me that if sonar is your primary sensor, and sonar "sees" through things, human lungs look much like dolphin lungs - and orcas' presumably. We are one of them. A pretty feeble one of course, and perhaps one that needs feeding.
bobbylarrybobby · 2 months ago
Here's an interesting result of that: whales that have developed “internal antlers” (https://academic.oup.com/biolinnean/article-abstract/113/2/5...). Mostly invisible to eyes but perfectly visible to ears.

Abstract:

Skulls of many living and extinct beaked whales (Ziphiidae) contain various bizarre bone and tooth structures. Many of them show sexual dimorphism in their skull anatomy: males have bizarre skull structures, whereas females do not. Opinions differ as to what the function of these structures might be. Some believe that these are weapons; others, that they are sound transmitters. This article argues that these structures are the means of visual display. Many of the bizarre bone structures of beaked whales are not exposed like ‘visuals’ of terrestrial tetrapods, but are located deep in soft tissues. Nevertheless, toothed whales recognize objects (including three-dimensional bodies), using echolocation. So, along with visual means, they can ‘see’ and ‘show’ their internal bone structures with echoic imaging and use them as informational sources in social interactions and in individual or species recognition.

bilsbie · 2 months ago
I thought they attacked dolphins?
dredmorbius · 2 months ago
And whales, seals, otters, walruses, etc., all of which have lungs.

I suspect some other basis.

lupusreal · 2 months ago
Technically they are dolphins. But yes, some populations of Orcas do eat other dolphins. Some don't. Their feeding habits seem to be cultural.
zahlman · 2 months ago
> human lungs look much like dolphin lungs - and orcas' presumably.

More so than the lungs of other animals? Or is it just that "lungs" stand out as an unusual feature in that environment?

Peteragain · 2 months ago
..as opposed to fish. Which dolphins/porpoises/orcas definitely eat.
liampulles · 2 months ago
They can probably distinguish between similarly sized but distinct species. A dolphin and human have plenty of other distinguishing features as swimming creatures.
danw1979 · 2 months ago
It’s up and down with these guys, either gifts of food or they’re chewing off your rudder.
yetihehe · 2 months ago
Just like humans vs birds. Some birds will see our good side (humans helped some birds with broken wings, fed some other birds), some will see our bad side (humans shooting birds).
reaanb2 · 2 months ago
Trying to placate the gods who are busy destroying their world...
maxerickson · 2 months ago
I think they do have either instinctual or cultural knowledge that the soft slow things from above will bring death if they are offended.