X/Twitter has became extremely prohibitive with just about everything since Elon took over. Their API pricing was antagonistic toward even indie developers. Elon is not a generous guy.
We really need a one bill one topic amendment. We are going to get to where there is one bill a year that nobody reads and everything else by executive order, at which point congress is just for show.
Yep, Musk saying he’s going to fund primary campaigns against congressmembers who vote for the Big Beautiful Bill is all just a brilliant bit of reverse psychology.
Or more likely, Congress is super worried about Roko’s Basilisk.
It means that assuming training AI models is fair use (if it wasn't AI companies including xAI would be in trouble), they can't really stop you.
But now, essentially, they are telling you that they can block your account or IP address if you do. Which I believe they can for basically any reason anyways.
Perhaps they want the prohibition on using the site content for AI training to be considered based on something other than their ownership of it, like bandwidth usage or users' rights
This is not opt-in how I understand it. When there is no alternative, or the alternative is not using a service, I'd call it a hard requirement instead.
I like how opt-in is handled by GDPR; e.g.: "Consent must be a specific, freely given, plainly worded, and unambiguous affirmation given by the data subject (...) A data controller may not refuse service to users who decline consent to processing that is not strictly necessary in order to use the service.", source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regula...
Yes, but do artists have the ability to actually monitor and enforce this? You have to have the capacity and the wherewithal and to test these models to even know that your data is being ingested into AI.
Big companies like the New York Times and Twitter/X have the funds to pay for this. Miscellaneous artists probably don't.
> If an artist or author can't do this, social media shouldn't be able to do it either.
Even if this is done, the case of starving artist v. megacorp will probably go to whoever wields the most money and lawyers. To add insult to injury, the artist’s opponent is fueled by their ill-gotten gains.
This is dependent on country. USA, yes with their draconian methods. Countries like the UK, the looser of the suit pays all the cost. UK layers have no problem taking low wealth client cases they know will win. UK allows for David vs Goliath and David to win. US up lifts Goliath as a God.
I get that you have your own opinion, but I'm personally tired of living in the butter-churning era and would prefer that this all went a bit faster.
I want my real time super high fidelity holo sim, all of my chores to be automatically done, protein folding, drug discovery. The life extension, P = NP future. No more incrementalism.
If the universe only happens once, and we're only awake for a geological blink of an eye, I'd rather we have an exciting time than just be some paper-pushing animals that pay taxes and vanish in a blip.
I'd be really excited if we found intelligent aliens, had advanced cloning for organ transplants and longevity, developed a colony on Mars, and invented our robotic successor species. Xbox and whatever most normal people look forward to on a day to day basis are boring.
It does surprise me that we haven't seen nations revise their copyright window back to something sensible in a play to seed their own nascent AI industry. The American founding fathers thought 20 years was enough. I'm sure there'd be repercussions in the banking system, but at some point it might be worth the trade.
That gives us a model that's 100% open and reproducible with low, legal risk. It would also be a nice test of how much AI's generalize from or repeat behavior in their pretraining data.
Then, a new model using that, The Stack, and FreeLaw's stuff (by paying them to open source it). No Github Issues or anything with questionable licenses or terms of service violations. That could be the next baseline for lawful models with coding ability, too. Research in coding AI's might use it.
You must not, and must not allow those acting on your behalf to:
...use the Data APIs to encourage or promote illegal activity or violation of third party rights (including using User Content to train a machine learning or AI model without the express permission of rightsholders in the applicable User Content);
In my eyes that is considered fair use, and I think the courts will come to agree unless they are financially incentivized to look the other way and thus create a moat for existing players at the expense of newcomers.
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Why would he be?
That way he can continue to steal from others and lock competitors out whilst being comfortable knowing that no laws will be enacted to prevent it.
Or more likely, Congress is super worried about Roko’s Basilisk.
My guess is on Peter Thiel
Or are they trying to forgo section 230 protection and claim ownership of content uploaded to the site?
It means that assuming training AI models is fair use (if it wasn't AI companies including xAI would be in trouble), they can't really stop you.
But now, essentially, they are telling you that they can block your account or IP address if you do. Which I believe they can for basically any reason anyways.
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I’d prefer an explicit opt in from the content author being required for anyone to perform any model training with any given data.
Alternatively, require all weights, prompts and chat logs to have the same visibility as the original datasets.
None of this is going to happen and current decisions about uncopyrightable ai[1] are already good; but still, it feels like there is room for abuse.
[1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%A9%C3%A2tre_D%27op%C3%...
I like how opt-in is handled by GDPR; e.g.: "Consent must be a specific, freely given, plainly worded, and unambiguous affirmation given by the data subject (...) A data controller may not refuse service to users who decline consent to processing that is not strictly necessary in order to use the service.", source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regula...
If Xai wants to train on public corpus, it shouldn't be allowed to prevent its own corpus from being used.
We need regulations to limit the power grabs. Train all you like, but don't dare try to constrain to your walled gardens.
We should also probably nip the "foundation model company / also a social media company" conglomeration in the bud.
Big companies like the New York Times and Twitter/X have the funds to pay for this. Miscellaneous artists probably don't.
Even if this is done, the case of starving artist v. megacorp will probably go to whoever wields the most money and lawyers. To add insult to injury, the artist’s opponent is fueled by their ill-gotten gains.
> We need regulations to limit the power grabs. Train all you like, but don't dare try to constrain to your walled gardens.
No, no one should train, period.
I get that you have your own opinion, but I'm personally tired of living in the butter-churning era and would prefer that this all went a bit faster.
I want my real time super high fidelity holo sim, all of my chores to be automatically done, protein folding, drug discovery. The life extension, P = NP future. No more incrementalism.
If the universe only happens once, and we're only awake for a geological blink of an eye, I'd rather we have an exciting time than just be some paper-pushing animals that pay taxes and vanish in a blip.
I'd be really excited if we found intelligent aliens, had advanced cloning for organ transplants and longevity, developed a colony on Mars, and invented our robotic successor species. Xbox and whatever most normal people look forward to on a day to day basis are boring.
a 50 year minimum is part of the berne convention, which itself is as close to a universal law as humanity has
(even North Korea is a signatory)
https://github.com/google-deepmind/pg19
That gives us a model that's 100% open and reproducible with low, legal risk. It would also be a nice test of how much AI's generalize from or repeat behavior in their pretraining data.
Then, a new model using that, The Stack, and FreeLaw's stuff (by paying them to open source it). No Github Issues or anything with questionable licenses or terms of service violations. That could be the next baseline for lawful models with coding ability, too. Research in coding AI's might use it.
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Wikipedia periodically publishes database dumps and the Internet Archive stores old versions: https://archive.org/search?query=subject%3A%22enwiki%22%20AN...
Plus you could also grab the latest and just read the 12/31/23 revisions.
You must not, and must not allow those acting on your behalf to:
...use the Data APIs to encourage or promote illegal activity or violation of third party rights (including using User Content to train a machine learning or AI model without the express permission of rightsholders in the applicable User Content);