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anon291 · 3 months ago
I grew up in SoCal (Westminster in particular), which is highly vietnamese, and in the context of SoCal, which is VERY Mexican. So, honestly, this aesthetic is very familiar to me. Most of my school friends(mexican and vietnamese) growing up were very into it. My Catholic parish was basically run by the Mexicans and Vietnamese communities. This combination is very common in LA / Southern California.
roughly · 3 months ago
If you're back down there, the Cheech Marin Center for Chicano Art in Riverside is awesome - Cheech collected Chicano art all throughout his career and worked with the City of Riverside to open a museum to house it. It's a really beautiful collection - truly unique art, and provides a great view into the iconography and history of Chicano culture.

(Bonus points for hitting Tio's Tacos afterwards.)

sebmellen · 3 months ago
San Diego is similar.

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alephnerd · 3 months ago
Cholo culture is not a mainstream culture in Vietnam though, and is very overstated in the article - it's more counterculture and a mix of Cali Kieu who "returned" to Vietnam or people who are cult fans of content like the Fast and Furious franchise ("familia")

Hallyu is the primary mainstream culture having impact in Vietnam. Can't walk a meter without bumping into something Korean.

> particularly among older generations of Vietnamese, who are inclined to associate tattoos with gangs and violence

Younger generations too excluding the Thao Dien or the D3 type. You see plenty of heavily tattooed lecherous older Japanese men in D1, and everyone knows the implications of that.

ch4s3 · 3 months ago
That's a shame, I was hoping for a pozole blanco/pho mashup. I feel like that should really work. And carnitas on banh mi would be fantastic. The coffee culture would probably also be excellent.
alephnerd · 3 months ago
You can get that in Anaheim, Houston, or East SJ.

If you ever want some sort of fusion culture, the only places you can discover that tend to be the US or Canada.

There are some Mexican fusion places in Saigon, but they are extremely overpriced and mid.

RichardCA · 3 months ago
NY Times did a similar piece in 2019.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8bMLcCxxAA

I'm not into Hip-Hop as a cultural thing but I love the way Mona aka "Sad Girl" does her linguistic code-switching, there's something intoxicating about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrtgYcSXVmA

layman51 · 3 months ago
A text search for “cholo” yields no results. I found that kind of surprising. That is the type of aesthetic that seems to have spread the most but I would hope that all these people learn beyond more than gang-life stories. I’m thinking the stories of Rudolfo Anaya, “Corky” Gonzales, Sandra Cisneros, etc.
nielsbot · 3 months ago
FTA:

> The Viet Chicanos are wary of attracting the wrong type of followers as well, who may be in pursuit of a different kind of lifestyle. Despite their fierce appearances, many of the barbers who work at Liem’s shops are soft-spoken and humble and reject any perceptions of violence and crime. They say they want to perpetuate cultural appreciation, rather than appropriation.

duxup · 3 months ago
Culture is so portable now. And people seem happy to adopt new things.

I like it.

Yeul · 3 months ago
We're at the point now that you can get better espresso in Amsterdam than Rome! I suppose the disposable income of the average Dutch citizen helps.
justinrubek · 3 months ago
Is Rome supposed to be some place t

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RyJones · 3 months ago
The coolest low rider I ever saw was in Tokyo.
duxup · 3 months ago
It happens to food too. The "traditional" foods are never from just one place and it's always evolving and somewhere along the way someone adds their local cultural twist to something from the outside and it's suddenly so much better.

I cooked a recipe recently that was based on a dish that was made for American GI's in Japan after WWII ended. Okinawan Taco Rice

Now that's the only way I want to eat taco meat ....

sksksk · 3 months ago
The japanese katsu curry was developed when British sailors brought curry powder over from India to Japan
harrall · 3 months ago
A lot of food we like was invented fairly recently. Modern pizza was invented in Italy in 1889 for example.
pipeline_peak · 3 months ago
If you've ever been to SoCal or Dallas, the embracement isn't that surprising.
caycep · 3 months ago
agree; haven't been to Dallas, but in Westminster/Garden Grove and San Jose, where latin american communities and Viet immigrant/vietnam communities happen to live in close proximity, the cultural mashups and innovation have been striking in both ways. Some of the most remarkable dishes in one of the most remarkable restaurants in SoCal that I've eaten in the past few years were conceived of and cooked by a Mexican-american chef who grew up surrounded by Vietnamese food in Garden grove
anon291 · 3 months ago
Because they're both very Catholic. My Catholic parish was filled with this exact mixing. Easter Vigil Mass would be said in three languages -- English, Spanish, Vietnamese, complete with Mexican-Vietnamese Catholic hymn mashups (singing versus of the same song in different languages, with each choir taking a verse, one verse would be accompanied by mariachi, and the next by an organ, etc... fun times)>