Ask HN: How to shift mindset from goal-oriented to progress-oriented?

This is a bit of a Zen thing you're describing. A lot of different approaches and theories on getting to the same thing here I would say. It's hard to think of specific advice here beyond "just start doing it" which does not seem very helpful. Maybe a good insight here is "practice will make it easier."

I think ultimately for me this mindset was cultivated at a pretty young age with some writing and art I happened to come across. I love content like that and seek it out now. I think you can become more and more growth mindset oriented with time. I'll share some of the things I've liked on the topic here, maybe that will be useful:

http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/7727986-mountains-should-be... (this is a quote, but recommend this whole book)

https://www.amazon.com/Mindset-Psychology-Carol-S-Dweck/dp/0...

https://youtu.be/etEJrznE-c0?si=Eaq8aycm8Yxn1v56

keplerdos · a year ago

To echo this with a for instance; I used to loathe running meetings. I fumbled. I wasn’t confident. I was disorganized.

Now, after running more than I can count, I look forward to it! I got gud. Every meeting was an opportunity to practice and learn more about how to run them effectively. I played with strategies and even though most didn’t work, I found out what did work.

If something doesn’t scratch your itch initially, that doesn’t mean it won’t in time. Be with experience instead of against it.

Are you choosing unnecessarily miserable steps, or adding unnecessary misery into the goals themselves?

I'm ashamed to admit this but I have a few blank PCBs I ordered and never did anything with, because... it was just a personal project, and populating SMD parts by hand seems like so much fun until you actually... start doing it.

Working on a Svelte app is often pretty fun. Building a new JS runtime, framework, and build system does not sound fun.

SenHeng · a year ago

I started building a shed last year to use as a home office. The exterior is done and complete, and the interior is maybe 80% done.

I just need to add the remaining bits of insulation around the tricky, sloping corners, then wrap and seal them before laying some plywood to use as walls. My electrician has been waiting for me to do so since May.

I tried it out during the winter and it was surprisingly cozy inside despite the missing insulation and some air gaps. It's rather toasty now in summer though.

I just, haven't found the motivation to complete it.

mapmap · a year ago

Is it possible perfection is preventing getting it done? Could you close the walls and enjoy the space as is?

Sometimes it is easier to work on someone else’s house because you are not seeking perfection. Do you have a friend that could help you? Or the electrician?

he11ow · a year ago

I'll say something that sounds really unhelpful until one day it makes sense. You don't really choose the process, the process chooses you. You can't make yourself 'enjoy the process' for something that doesn't resonate, because it will always feel a chore. So the one and only trick is to really pay attention to the thing you keep going back to, and in a way accept that this is a path.

Some people might say "But I only enjoy video games!" and if that's the case, I don't really know what to say to that. All the people I know who have found great alignment with a path of progress are ones where the effort tickles an itch they would have regardless, so might as well scratch that itch.

And there are still goals, that doesn't change.

al_borland · a year ago

For people who say things like, “I only enjoy video games,” my usual response is to ask them to think about what aspects of video games they like. Strategy, teamwork, grinding, solving puzzles, exploring, etc? And there may be another why deeper than that. The “why” can often translate to other domains where it can be applied to projects/work.

elanius · a year ago

I probably don't understand everything you wrote. However, I think I don't agree with you. If I just did what I enjoyed, I would quickly fall into bad habits, which would later lead to even greater depression.

tra3 · a year ago

I think you’re saying "But I only enjoy video games!". You should reread what the gp said.

f0e4c2f7 · a year ago

langcss · a year ago

One trick is be aware of how much you enjoy different processes.

I find for example I prefer everything to be a small task. I like to separate planning from coding and don't try to do both simultaneously. That works for me. You may be the same or different.

That is one example. The idea is to understand what you like and hate about the work. Not what you think you should like but what you actually like.

aristofun · a year ago

Sounds to me like you are looking for an artificial solution to a made up problem.

There will never be a magic pill or magic “mind shift” that will just make you enjoy whatever path you take.

eternityforest · a year ago

badpun · a year ago

If you enjoy the goal, but not the process, there's a term for it - it's called a grind. It's no different from weight loss or any other unpleasant chores. You choose to temporarily suffer in order to accomplish the goal. Incidentally, after reading a bunch of biographies, I think many high-achievers are into suffering, they get a kick out of it. Someone like Goggins makes it explicit, but I think it's fairly prevalent.

I should read Goggins. I just saw an interview with him. It looks like you need a huge amount of willpower and motivation. However, willpower is taxing for the brain, which tries to avoid it unless absolutely necessary.

leros · a year ago

I've been making this shift as well.

Start thinking about what a good work day looks like. What tasks are you doing? Who are you working with? Where are you working? When? What technologies? Etc etc.

Then start working backwards and figure out what type of work you can do in that ideal work day environment. For me, I'm having to undergo a massive career shift but I'm much happier than I ever was.

CouchoMarx · a year ago

I think a good place to start would be the question "Why do I feel different now?"

> If I could enjoy the process as much as I enjoy the results, I would be able to persistently achieve more.

This is an assumption, be wary.

My advice: Explore this new feeling and where it's coming from, rather than trying to work around it.

The advice you asked for: Start somewhere. Anywhere. Anything. Momentum is your friend.