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Posted by u/blackeyeblitzar a year ago
Ask HN: What alternatives to Adobe products are you switching to?
There have been many posts about Adobe’s aggressive and unethical updates to their terms of service. For many companies, like those in healthcare, use of Adobe products is now off limits. I don’t think an update to their terms can rebuild the lost trust. At the same time, most professionals have only ever used Adobe products like Photoshop and they may resist moving away. What reasonable alternatives even exist for each of Adobe’s major products? Are there any true equivalents?
coffeefirst · a year ago
https://affinity.serif.com is quite good. It's not the same, but I switched (95% personal use) when Adobe forced everyone onto subscriptions and it's been more than sufficient for that.
tambourine_man · a year ago
It is surprisingly good, it still lacks many features but it's a welcome competition in the field. However, I wouldn't go through the trouble of leaving Adobe for another closed source suite. The underdogs are always the good guys until they aren't.

If/when I ditch Adobe, it will be for an open source stack.

joe_hills · a year ago
I concur on Affinity. For graphic design, pixel art, layout, and photo work I've switched to the Affinity suite.

I used Premiere for about two years but never liked it as much as Final Cut Pro X, so I'm back on FCPX for video now that I've got a better Mac to run it on.

FCPX and Affinity are both one-time purchases, which I appreciate.

blackeyeblitzar · a year ago
I read that they were acquired by Canva. Does that create any risk of their pricing changing to a subscription model or maybe a risk of them adopting the same terms as Adobe?
antonyt · a year ago
Even before the Canva acquisition, their decision to release a separately-purchased "v2" of their suite ruffled a lot of feathers. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affinity_Photo#Version_2
airstrike · a year ago
hightrix · a year ago
Seconded. The whole affinity suite is really nice and feels pretty comfy.

It is also reasonably priced and no subscription.

tracker1 · a year ago
Would definitely buy if they either had a Linux version, or ran in WINE.
k8sToGo · a year ago
Aren’t they also going the subscription way soon?
paulgb · a year ago
I canceled my Adobe Premiere Pro subscription a while back, not because of AI terms but because other dark patterns in how they bill gave me a bad taste. I switched to DaVinci Resolve, which has a pretty capable free version. (I haven't used it extensively enough to comment on whether I will miss Premiere in the long run)
k1ns · a year ago
Davinci Resolve is super powerful, even in its free version. Every project I have learned something new that it can do. Highly recommend.
magicalhippo · a year ago
Any good guides for basic editing? Tried it a couple of times some years ago and couldn't get it working and/or got lost in settings.
chirau · a year ago
For Photoshop:

1) Photopea (quite brilliant for most of the things photoshop can do)

2) paint.net for not too advanced edits

3) Krita

For After Effects:

1) Natron

2) BlackMagic Fusion

For Premiere Pro:

1) DaVinci Resolve

2) KdenLive

For Illustrator:

1) Inkscape

2) Graphite

Please note that most of these are not feature for feature replacements, but for the most part and most common tasks, they are very good offerings.

blackeyeblitzar · a year ago
Is PaintShop Pro still a competitive product?

https://www.paintshoppro.com/en/

What about Corel products?

https://www.coreldraw.com/en/all-products/

pupppet · a year ago
I actually prefer Photopea over Affinity Photo, it’s a shameless clone right down to the keyboard shortcuts which at this point are muscle memory.
invalidname · a year ago
Photopea is fantastic. I've paid Adobe thousands over the years because my spouse uses Photoshop and can't stop (I use Sketch when I need something).

I had enough with Adobe mostly due to cost. It's robbery to pay those prices for a tool she uses 3 times a year. I tried installing Krita for her and she struggled with everything. Couldn't find anything and just complained all the time. It occurred to me to try something else and Photopea is absolutely amazing. Wish I knew about it sooner.

contingencies · a year ago
Adobe only supports Windows/Mac and they want a subscription fee license, so they can shove their software.

Illustrator (used since 1990s) -> Inkscape, Krita

Photoshop (used since v3.0) -> Gimp, imagemagick, rembg

If I were doing loads of design work I would still prefer Adobe. However, I can use the above with a Wacom tablet on Linux and feel very productive. Linux largely allows scripting so I open Gimp a lot less then I used to use Photoshop, eg. due to imagemagick convert/mogrify, rembg, etc. Haven't used PS in a decade maybe. Haven't used Illustrator in a year or more. Hope that helps.

TrevorFSmith · a year ago
My free stack, 2024 edition: Fedora Linux Sway spin, Inkscape, GNU Image Manipulation Program, KdenLive, Natron, Blender, FreeCAD, KiCAD, OpenSCAD, Orca slicer, IceCat, Zulip, LibreOffice, and a flock of CLI tools
fsloth · a year ago
2024 and Gimp remains horrible (as it has always been). It’s cool it brings value to you and others but Photoshop replacement it is not.
jwells89 · a year ago
IMO many of its most glaring issues could be fixed by “simply” (I know it’s probably more involved in reality) swapping out bespoke widgets for standard GTK counterparts with more standard/commonly familiar behaviors.

The poster child for this is easily the layers palette. It looks like a scrolling list widget like you’d find on any major desktop OS released in the past 30 years but doesn’t behave like one, with oddities like inability to multi-select. Instead, the user is expected to learn GIMP-specific behaviors that aren’t useful in any other program. There’s not really a good reason for this, aside for familiarity for existing users and while that’s an important thing to consider I’m not sure it’s worth impeding retention of new users.

opan · a year ago
With enough disgruntled ex-Adobe users looking for something new, you'd think GIMP would be improved or replaced by better free software.

I feel that people switching to another proprietary thing will just run into problems again in the future. It makes more sense to come up with a permanent solution.

Gigachad · a year ago
Gimp is painful to use for even once off small stuff. If you at all do anything commercially, the benefits of photoshop would have paid for itself over gimp.
worksonmine · a year ago
Depends what you need it for. I don't think it's bad but my use-cases are very simple.
tambourine_man · a year ago
Unfortunately, Adobe tools were already on its own league before the recent AI revolution. They are now even more untouchable.

I say that with deep regret not only because of the update to the terms of service, but because they are terrible OS citizens, downright user hostile in many situations and a monopoly.

cheema33 · a year ago
> they are terrible OS citizens

I used to feel this way. And then I discovered their Spectrum design and React libraries. I use them in production. And I am a huge fan. I don't think anything like this exists. Opensource or commercial.

Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of UI libraries. But nothing has the breadth of coverage that Spectrum does, including design guidelines.

https://spectrum.adobe.com/https://github.com/adobe/react-spectrum

And Spectrum 2 is expected later this year.

tambourine_man · a year ago
By OS, I meant Operating Systems, not Open Source :)

Their apps are such foreigners in their ecosystem that they make Electron apps look good by comparison. Also, Creative Cloud spreads itself over every folder it can touch, keeps nagging me to use cloud-whatever, fights me for auto launching and updating, etc.

That's what I meant as a bad platform citizen.

karaterobot · a year ago
Figma for all UX design.

Affinity Photo for bitmap editing (which is vanishingly rare these days).

Affinity Designer for a few vector operations and tools not supported by Figma.

Affinity Publisher for print design (aka when I need to update my resume...).

Instead of Adobe Stock, I use Pexels, or just generate a sufficiently generic image on ChatGPT.

Instead of Adobe Fonts, I just stopped being a web developer, ha ha. Google Fonts, of course, is one alternative.

I got rid of all Adobe products in 2019. Or so I thought. Last year, my laptop fan started going crazy, and the whole machine was heating up. When I looked at my processes, I saw that some little remnant of Creative Cloud had refused to be uninstalled through the regular process, had survived on my computer for years, and just at that moment decided to attack. Maybe it was trying to remind me why I hate Adobe.

bbx · a year ago
> Affinity Designer for a few vector operations and tools not supported by Figma

Can you elaborate? I like Figma for its interface design capabilities, but feel like Illustrator has more complex vector design. Would you consider Affinity Designer as more similar to Illustrator feature-wise?

karaterobot · a year ago
Illustrator definitely has more sophisticated tools than Figma. Figma's basically got the pen tool, point manipuation, and a couple of boolean operations, and that's it. It's perfectly fine for making simple icons and so on, but you would suffer if you tried to make a complex illustration in Figma. Affinity Designer has a lot more than Figma, but less than Illustrator.

A practical example would be the "Divide" operation. This is the boolean operation that creates new shapes out of overlapping sections, for example if you had two partially overlapping circles and you used Divide on them, the result would be two pac-man shapes and a leaf shape.

Though it has Boolean operations like Union, Subtract, Intersect, and Exclude, Figma doesn't have Divide at all. Both Affinity and Illustrator do.

Divide is a really, really powerful step in building complex shapes out of simple ones, so when I need to use it, sometimes it's easier to just open up Affinity Designer, even if the rest of the design is in Figma.

Beyond this, Illustrator has a host of neat ways of working with vectors that neither AD nor Figma do. All kinds of warp actions, meshes, and a really nice system for recoloring shapes quickly. It's been 5 years since I opened it up, so I am probably forgetting a lot of important differences.

turnsout · a year ago
Don't forget about self-hosted web fonts! People forget this is even an option
Kronopath · a year ago
I’m not much of an artist, so for my limited photo manipulation needs Acorn is cheap, subscriptionless, and way more than enough for me:

https://flyingmeat.com/acorn/

ndaiger · a year ago
I have been using Acorn since...wow, 2009!

After the first $49 purchase, I spent another $15 and then $19 on upgrades over the years.

It's very effective. The interface is extremely familiar if you're used to Photoshop, and it's wonderfully Mac-native.

I highly recommend it!