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fsloth commented on Making games in Go: 3 months without LLMs vs. 3 days with LLMs   marianogappa.github.io/so... · Posted by u/maloga
fsloth · 3 days ago
” but it only did so by stochastically parroting hallucinated slop”

I’m not sure what the argument here is. That you should only use the most primitive tools available?

”LLMs suck” arguments sound exactly like ”IDE:s suck! True engineers writes everything in notepad.exe”. Or ”debuggers suck! Use only printfs!”

People have different ways of cognition and different strategies of problem solving and tool use. The fact you can’t understand other persons tool use is not an argument against those tools. It simply points out the tools may not be usefull to the critics mode of cognition or problem solving. Not that the tools suck.

fsloth commented on Making games in Go: 3 months without LLMs vs. 3 days with LLMs   marianogappa.github.io/so... · Posted by u/maloga
k__ · 3 days ago
But they're right and you're not addressing anything
fsloth · 3 days ago
I don’t get these arguments.

Just because LLM learned the entire internet does not mean it can’t 10x a developer.

Were all standing on shoulders of giants - LLM or no LLM. LLM gives you extra pair of ladders. That are wobbly for sure. But ladders still.

Using LLM invalidates nothing and the 10x stories are totally plausible.

The plagiarization argument is to me moot - most of us are plagiarizing previous work, weather we know it or not.

fsloth commented on Claude Sonnet 4 now supports 1M tokens of context   anthropic.com/news/1m-con... · Posted by u/adocomplete
flowerthoughts · 14 days ago
I predict microservices will get a huge push forward. The question then becomes if we're good enough at saying "Claude, this is too big now, you have to split it in two services" or not.

If LLMs maintain the code, the API boundary definitions/documentation and orchestration, it might be manageable.

fsloth · 14 days ago
Why microservices? Monoliths with code-golfed minimal implementation size (but high quality architecture) implemented in strongly typed language would consume far less tokens (and thus would be cheaper to maintain).
fsloth commented on Claude Code is all you need   dwyer.co.za/static/claude... · Posted by u/sixhobbits
pron · 16 days ago
Sure, and that may be valuable, but it's neither "programming" nor "offloading mental effort" (at least not much).

Some have compared it to working with a very junior programmer. I haven't done that in a long while, but when I did, it didn't really feel like I was "offloading" much, and I could still trust even the most junior programmer to tell me whether the job was done well or not (and of any difficulties they encountered or insight they've learnt) much more than I can an agent, at least today.

Trust is something we have, for the most part, when we work with either other people or with tools. Working without (or with little) trust is something quite novel. Personally, I don't mind that an agent can't accomplish many tasks; I mind a great deal that I can't trust it to tell me whether it was able to do what I asked or not.

fsloth · 15 days ago
”it's neither "programming"

Sure it is.

Modern ecosystem is sadly full of API:s like WPF on Windows that are both verbose and configuration heavy. Now, some people may be able to internalize xaml with little effort but not all us - and then you basically move forward iteratively, looking for code example, trying this or that … basically random walking towards something usable.

Or you use an agentic LLM and it does this peeking and poking for you, and with decades old APIs like WPF likely has enough context to do the thing you asked it to do far more competently than you could train yourself to program WPF in a few days.

Of course in the context of this example WPF was your main duty, you _would_ learn the ins and outs of it.

In quite many jobs a task like this may not infact be even among your top ten duties but you need to do it.

In these sort of situations a LLM is really nice. The worst it provides is a good first guess how to do something.

If your contex is something like radiology treatment then no, don’t use LLM!

But there are thoushands of miserable non-critical but necessary components in production for which LLM is just fine.

fsloth commented on Claude Code is all you need   dwyer.co.za/static/claude... · Posted by u/sixhobbits
georgeburdell · 16 days ago
For me, I can’t get into using AI tools like Claude Code. As far as I go is chat style where I’m mostly in control. I enjoy the actual process of crafting code myself. For similar reasons, I could never be a manager.

Agents are a boon for extraverts and neurotypical people. If it gets to the point where the industry switches to agents, I’ll probably just find a new career

fsloth · 16 days ago
I strongly disagree agents are for extroverts.

I do agree it’s definetly a tool category with a unique set of features and am not surprised it’s offputting to some. But it’s appeal is definetly clear to me as an introvert.

For me LLM:s are just a computer interface you can program using natural language.

I think I’m slightly ADD. I love coding _interesting_ things but boring tasks cause extreme discomfort.

Now - I can offload the most boring task to LLM and spend my mental energy on the interesting stuff!

It’s a great time to be a software engineer!

fsloth commented on GPT-5 for Developers   openai.com/index/introduc... · Posted by u/6thbit
realusername · 20 days ago
I've done pretty much the same as you (Cursor/Claude) for our large Rails/React codebase at work and the experience has been horrific so far, I reverted back to vscode.
fsloth · 19 days ago
Yeah! It's quite possible my scenario is in the "happy accident" valley.

I'm using it mostly for C#, WPF and OpenTK. The type system seems to help a lot.

The UI logic it recommends is mostly god awful. But at least for me when it's given a pattern it can apply, it does so pretty well.

fsloth commented on GPT-5 for Developers   openai.com/index/introduc... · Posted by u/6thbit
42lux · 20 days ago
How often do you have to build the simple scaffolding though?
fsloth · 19 days ago
At a real job? Not that often! And it's miserable in large scale architecture.

However, at leas for me there is lots of "small enough context" boilerplate that the context can deal with.

Clearly this is not a tool in the sense it's predictable.

fsloth commented on GPT-5 for Developers   openai.com/index/introduc... · Posted by u/6thbit
realusername · 20 days ago
Personally I think I'll wait for another 10x improvement for coding because with the current way it's going, they clearly need that.
fsloth · 20 days ago
From my experience when used through IDE such as Cursor the current gen Claude model enables impressive speedruns over commodity tasks. My context is a CAD application I’ve been writing as a hobby. I used to work in that field for a decade so have a pretty good touch on how long I would expect tasks to take. I’m using mostly a similar software stack as that at previous job and am definetly getting stuff done much faster on holiday at home than at that previous work. Of course the codebase is also a lot smaller, intrinsic motivation, etc, but still.
fsloth commented on Why doctors hate their computers (2018)   newyorker.com/magazine/20... · Posted by u/mitchbob
Cthulhu_ · 23 days ago
I think this is one of the use cases where speech-to-text and (AI) transcription tools would be useful. Of course ideally there'd be two people, one doing the medical stuff and the other then documentation, but health care is expensive enough as it is.
fsloth · 23 days ago
All the dentists I've ever visited have worked in doctor/nurse pairings. The nurse assists in operations AND is the data entry expert.

I think it's just about bureaucratic faux-economical thinking infringing to doctors workspace cutting overall effectiveness.

fsloth commented on Why doctors hate their computers (2018)   newyorker.com/magazine/20... · Posted by u/mitchbob
patrakov · 23 days ago
And by the way, when I was a child, even before the computers came, here is how it worked in Russia.

The doctor was listening to my breathing, looking at the throat, asking me and my mother questions, and saying various medical phrases to her assistant, who was then writing them into my patient records (a thick paper notebook).

fsloth · 23 days ago
This is how all the dentists work that I've seen. Doctor plus nurse. Apparently dentists have more agency over their work environment than doctors do.

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