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neilv · a year ago
> You must be able to attend both the in person Kick Off starting on Sep 12, 2024 as well as the in person Demo Day on Dec 5, 2024.

They have the right idea with local AI, but I assume this other kind of local is going to be an unfortunate barrier to a number and diversity of capable people.

n2d4 · a year ago
Is this an issue if you get $100k? That should more than cover flight tickets and hotel stay.

If you're not even willing to do two travel days, why are you even participating in a 3-month accelerator? Doesn't sound like you want that kind of commitment.

neilv · a year ago
Was it the word "diversity" that triggered downvotes?

The word has more than one meaning.

hifromwork · a year ago
I also have no idea. Your post seems very informative to me - I originally assumed everything is online without checking. This is extremely surprising to me and even a bit out of character for Mozilla. And I can't even find information where is the kickoff happening! I assume it's in California because obviously, but this whole thing could be communicated better.
welfare · a year ago
Local AI?

Why stop there? They should expand it to blockchain, 3d printing, VR and quantum computing to make sure it really tickles the executives' imagination...

dralley · a year ago
I get that we're skeptical of every little company doing "AI" projects, and we should be, but local AI for browsers already has several obvious applications - translating text without sending it off to a third party like Google, automatically generating subtitles / transcripts for arbitrary audio / video, etc.

Firefox like most independent browsers is also reliant on search engine revenues. If AI threatens search, then it also threatens Mozilla.

Plus Chrome, Brave, Safari, and Edge are already doing the same kinds of research, for the same reasons.

worik · a year ago
> local AI for browsers already has several obvious applications

Yes!

The translation engine for Firefox rocks!

vundercind · a year ago
Most of that reads like it should be an OS feature.
beretguy · a year ago
I would never trust ai to translate things for me.
gkoberger · a year ago
AI is very different than the others you listed. Yes, Mozilla chases trends too easily, and I'm the first one to say that (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10698997).

But I don't understand why people think AI can be lumped into the same category as VR/3D printing/blockchain/etc. It's clearly going to change the world, and in 200 years we'll look back on it the same way we saw the invention of electricity. (You know, assuming we're still around as a species).

To me, it's so weird to watch people dunk on AI for hallucinating a bit or because some CEOs hack it into their product in unfulfilling ways. Look how bad image generation was just a year ago (fuzzy and mushy), and now we have movie clips that are almost studio quality (but generated in minutes).

OtomotO · a year ago
But it's not... it's just ML rebranded.

It's impressive, but these days mostly hype

fsndz · a year ago
AI is useful, mostly as a productivity booster. cf this article (https://medium.com/thoughts-on-machine-learning/where-genera...)

But there is too much hype these days.

Dead Comment

jitix · a year ago
All the while there are numerous issues with Firefox on M1. They simply ignore or close them as “works for me” [1] while I personally have encountered at least half of these issues as of last month.

IMO they should first focus on being a good cross platform browser that works well on desktop arm before doing anything else.

[1] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=M1

brainbag · a year ago
Thanks for this link. Firefox has been getting worse for me stability-wise on my Mac M1, even with tab discarding it consumes huge amounts of power, and at least two or three times a day it will just stop loading webpages and show errors in the network tab and need to be restarted. I spend a couple of hours every few weeks trying to track down the issues and Firefox and even in the bug tracker can't find answers.

I also have a bizarre problem where any Chromium-based browser (Chrome, Brave, Edge) are extremely slow to load any page since upgrading to Sonoma, where Firefox or Safari are near-instant - like taking 60 seconds to even start DNS lookup. After a couple of minutes it will eventually fully load a page. I've seen other people mention the same issue online, but no fixes. I have spent hours trying to debug and track down problems for that too.

It's discouraging how much it feels like every software tool I use on every device has gone to shit, especially things as fundamental as a web browser.

itronitron · a year ago
Yeah, I stopped reading when I saw the focus on AI. And I could probably cobble together a good proposal, but I'm not willing to lump it in with that sociodigital fatberg.
baobabKoodaa · a year ago
They require "in-person kickoff", but don't say where. I'm guessing San Francisco?
gkoberger · a year ago
"Locations to be determined", but when I worked there it was mostly Mountain View. I believe they've shut down most (all?) of their offices, though, so I'm not sure if they have a physical presence anywhere.
sleepingreset · a year ago
I'm happy I get to live in a world where Mozilla exists. If the only leaders in FOSS AI were Meta, that'd be a shame.
meiraleal · a year ago
Really? 2004 Mozilla or 2024 Mozilla? Mozilla stopped being a FOSS leader when they stopped developing Firefox OS.
bloopernova · a year ago
> $100k, if your open source app focuses on Local AI.

Hmph and bah humbug.

Sabinus · a year ago
Will any of this funding create a local AI plugin for Firefox?
Am4TIfIsER0ppos · a year ago
This is what your donations go to instead of the browser.
pseudalopex · a year ago
Browser royalties to Mozilla Corporation are around $500 million. Donations to Mozilla Foundation are around $10 million. The browser doesn't need donations. And donating to Mozilla Corporation would not be tax deductible.
jmathai · a year ago
I was one of the first fellows of their WebFWD program back in 2013 [1]. I'm sure a lot has changed in the last decade but it was refreshing to find partners who were not venture capitalists for our for-profit open source company.

Sadly, the other partner wound down last year. The Shuttleworth Foundation - funded by Mark - was super critical for us. they provided almost $1m in funding.

Both provided contacts for legal, marketing, etc.

I wish we had more of these initiatives which weren't so focused on profit.

[1] https://www.mozillalabs.com/webfwd/