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vundercind commented on Torrent of Hate for Health Insurance Industry Follows CEO's Killing   nytimes.com/2024/12/05/ny... · Posted by u/jbrot
s1artibartfast · a year ago
There are laws enacted by our elected government (Democrats under Obama) that say exactly how much overhead is acceptable for a health insurance company, and all business expenses and CEO pay comes out of that portion. If they collect too much in premiums to and their profits exceed that percent, they have to refund the insurance members.

Health insurance has a fixed profit margin on claims paid. Denying claims costs them money. Pay 10 billion in claims and they make 2 billion. Deny half the claims and they make half as much.

look up that ACA 85/15 law

vundercind · a year ago
There’s some nuance to this.

The ACA’s loss ratio rules don’t apply to self-funded plans (many large employers use these) even if they’re administered (and possibly re-insured) by a health insurance company, which is usually the case. Just doesn’t apply at all.

Certain plans also allow much lower loss ratios, like 60/40 for expat plans.

A provider that manages to have a lot of new plans in a given state in a given year is immune from loss ratios rules in that state, for that year. I don’t know how gameable this is but my WAG would be it’s only state insurance commissions preventing this from being the case in every state, every year, for every provider, and keeping it to only some states in some years for some providers (I bet the biggies manage to rotate their state[s] and have at least one most years)

So a company the only business of which is health insurance can easily spend far less than 80 or 85% of income on payouts, and only need maintain that ratio on some subset—possibly small—of the premiums it’s collecting.

I don’t know how the game of this affects decisions for insurers that also own providers, but I bet there’s something beneficial there and that’s why they’ve been snapping up provider offices for the last several years.

vundercind commented on Torrent of Hate for Health Insurance Industry Follows CEO's Killing   nytimes.com/2024/12/05/ny... · Posted by u/jbrot
vouaobrasil · a year ago
> Murder should not be normalized or endorsed. It isn't healthy for a society and doesn't lead to progress.

I guess the American revolution didn't lead to progress then. Or any of the other revolutions, many of which had assassinations. And murder is not being endorsed. Putting an end to it is.

vundercind · a year ago
This is one of those things we state as a normative absolute in general society and you usually only see the nuance (or how it’s basically just a polite lie, in some cases) in relevant college classes or spaces dominated by certain kinds of professionals and nerds (the kind who took those college classes, usually).
vundercind commented on Torrent of Hate for Health Insurance Industry Follows CEO's Killing   nytimes.com/2024/12/05/ny... · Posted by u/jbrot
s1artibartfast · a year ago
I see them as essentially the same. All of these people are choosing their financial interests over your health. People are dying from their inaction.
vundercind · a year ago
I can’t begin to relate to seeing someone with a median income failing to donate to some particular go-fund-me as the same as choosing to head an organization that makes more money when people don’t get the health care they need, and overseeing operations that did that even more recklessly than the industry standard. One has taken on a business relationship already and is taking people’s money then screwing them, at a mass scale. The other just didn’t donate to a gofundme that may not even be legit and for someone they have no connection to.

Similar reaction for the other examples. I’m baffled that they look similar to anybody at all.

[edit] hold on, ok, another angle that may clear up why I’m confused: if my health insurer denies my legit claim, should I be more, less, or equally angry with the leadership of that company, or with every single person in the country who fails to donate to my resulting gofundme? I’m immediately inclined to wish horrible things on one of these groups, and to find the idea of wishing horrible things on the other confusing and repulsive.

vundercind commented on Torrent of Hate for Health Insurance Industry Follows CEO's Killing   nytimes.com/2024/12/05/ny... · Posted by u/jbrot
tptacek · a year ago
Vermont, Colorado, Washington.
vundercind · a year ago
Interesting, tried Vermont but couldn’t find it (a 2015 single-payer effort, but not that), will look more later, I’d love to see what a state-level law at governments taking over hospitals and such even looks like, gotta be some weird reading and I have no idea how you’d write that such that it’d have a prayer of surviving court challenge—seize poor people’s houses to give to companies (or, on behalf of a company that then backs out, and all you got was wrecking some of your own citizens’ houses, lol) you’re all good according to the courts, but do basically the reverse? No way that’d fly. Those proposals have to be crazy reads.

I’d maybe vote against state level single payer, let alone taking over healthcare entirely, because I think it’d be a ton less efficient than doing it at the federal level—enormous amounts of money already go to various federal healthcare programs and it’d be better to pool that, and also lack of state level control over their markets is likely to cause problems. I dunno, it might depend on the law, but my gut reaction is a “no” vote on that, too.

Anyway, as for the other question, I believe that the rise of the postwar think-tank industry (a mash up of k-street and Madison Avenue, but for white papers, as it quickly became) and deliberate party and industry efforts to shift public sentiment in pro-market directions, tied up with lots of government spending on anti-Soviet messaging (were they bad? Oh, yeah. Were all the things the government tried to lump in with them and decry as un-American bad? Ehhhh… I mean atheism is among those, see the change to the pledge and to our money at the time, among other things, and I think atheism’s fine) is probably why healthcare can be this incredibly messed-up and nationalization remains not just not-popular-enough-to-pass, but entirely outside the Overton window, yes.

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remram · a year ago
"The other code hosting platform"?
vundercind · a year ago
“GitHub for if you compete with MS and someone high in your org is concerned about letting MS host your code.”

“GitHub with a worse UI except GitHub’s has been getting worse for years so now they’re both similarly bad so never mind”

“Worse gitea but with more features so sometimes it’s better”

vundercind commented on Torrent of Hate for Health Insurance Industry Follows CEO's Killing   nytimes.com/2024/12/05/ny... · Posted by u/jbrot
s1artibartfast · a year ago
How do you feel about murdering doctors who demand pay for treatment, citizens that vote against single payer, or people that fail to donate to your gofundme?
vundercind · a year ago
All of those are extremely different situations, so what are you getting at?
vundercind commented on Torrent of Hate for Health Insurance Industry Follows CEO's Killing   nytimes.com/2024/12/05/ny... · Posted by u/jbrot
s1artibartfast · a year ago
More please of what? Vigilante murders?
vundercind · a year ago
Specifically of antisocial CEOs, board members, et c. That specific kind of vigilante murders.
vundercind commented on Torrent of Hate for Health Insurance Industry Follows CEO's Killing   nytimes.com/2024/12/05/ny... · Posted by u/jbrot
tptacek · a year ago
Do you have an argument that would be persuasive to someone who doesn't believe the voters in every state where this was proposed were successfully hoodwinked by "money"?
vundercind · a year ago
Hold on, we can come back to this, but: which states have held a vote on nationalizing (state-izing?) healthcare?
vundercind commented on Torrent of Hate for Health Insurance Industry Follows CEO's Killing   nytimes.com/2024/12/05/ny... · Posted by u/jbrot
defen · a year ago
Was this guy uniquely evil, as far as health care executives go? Like...if more of them get murdered, will you just shrug and say "yeah they kinda had it coming"?
vundercind · a year ago
> Was this guy uniquely evil, as far as health care executives go?

I think if you poll the people taking this as a good thing, you will get an overwhelming answer of “probably not”, and the implications are exactly what you suppose.

vundercind commented on Torrent of Hate for Health Insurance Industry Follows CEO's Killing   nytimes.com/2024/12/05/ny... · Posted by u/jbrot
defen · a year ago
Would you rather have had this guy around you / your loved ones, or one of the people in the other groups I named?
vundercind · a year ago
Wasn’t the topic scorn?

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