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kuschku · 2 years ago
Gott-Goldberg-Vanderbei may have a lower error, but its usefulness is also significantly reduced.

My favourite for world maps is still Winkel Tripel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winkel_tripel_projection). Winkel-Tripel was given one of the best ranks by Gott and Goldberg, before they developed the projection in the OP.

Winkel Tripel used to be the standard until Google Maps came along and pushed everyone back to using Mercator for data visualization and political maps.

defrost · 2 years ago
The triple was|is a damn fine world projection.

My favourite for "local area" usage was the old New Zealand Map Grid .. not a polyconic projection, rather a custom complex polynomial optimised to reduce grid error in toto (by multiple metrics) for the North and South Islands of New Zealand.

As a topographic grid projection it was aligned with the "spine of best fit" of the two islands, rather than stright up North|South aligned, and weighted to minimise the N|S and E|W distortion within the land region of interest as distance from the centre zone increased.

https://www.linz.govt.nz/guidance/geodetic-system/coordinate...

There were very few (three ?) in use about the world pre WGS84 .. and like many things went the way of the Dodo, the Krasovsky 1940 ellipsoid, the Bessel 1841, and all those tens and tens of other ellipsoids, datums, and projections of days yore.

bradrn · 2 years ago
> My favourite for "local area" usage was the old New Zealand Map Grid .. not a polyconic projection, rather a custom complex polynomial optimised to reduce grid error in toto (by multiple metrics) for the North and South Islands of New Zealand.

Paper link: https://www.linz.govt.nz/resources/research/conformal-mappin...

orangeboats · 2 years ago
My personal favorite map projection is the Equal Earth projection (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Earth_projection) but it seems like it is relatively unknown. Though in general I have a soft spot for all equal-area projects, except the abomination Gall-Peters.
trylfthsk · 2 years ago
I'm partial to the Pierce Quincuncial [0] projection myself. Actually, any conformal projection that tiles really.

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peirce_quincuncial_projection

contravariant · 2 years ago
Technically Mercator tiles.
liotier · 2 years ago
To me, Kavrayskiy VII still feels like the most balanced compromise among general-purpose pseudocylindrical projection - more so than Winkel Tripel, and of course miles ahead of Mercator but that isn't even a contest.
twic · 2 years ago
Agreed. The only thing i have against Kavrayskiy VII is that i learned about it from the XKCD about map projections, which makes me feel like a complete fraud.
jschrf · 2 years ago
IIRC the use of Web Mercator is primarily for ease of generating 256×256 tiles.

The ideal projection is simply 3D, as it accounts for all scales, and the geoid if so inclined.

zokier · 2 years ago
> The ideal projection is simply 3D, as it accounts for all scales

Unless you have 3D display that is not really true, it is still projected to 2D; perspective projection is still projection and it is not obvious that it's in any way "ideal" for maps

taeric · 2 years ago
I'm assuming someone has made a graph of error versus utility in map projections? Not being able to draw straight lines is a fairly useful thing to do.

If you want accurate, it is also silly to insist on it being a static 2d projection? Having a globe is not exactly difficult.

lalaithion · 2 years ago
A globe is just using physics to create a perspective projection on your retina.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Perspective_projection

playworker · 2 years ago

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btbuildem · 2 years ago
If we're doing strangely discontinuous maps, I'd like to submit Fuller's Dymaxion Map [1] -- at least that one keeps the continents contiguous, while truly minimizing deformations.

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dymaxion_map

WorldMaker · 2 years ago
The Dymaxion projection came up in my own recent reading because one was sent in the "Cosmic Call": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_Call

The blog series I was reading: https://blog.plover.com/aliens/dd/intro.html

The Cosmic Call map was specifically pages 19-20: https://blog.plover.com/aliens/dd/p19.html

contravariant · 2 years ago
If strange discontinuities are not a problem, what about the Euler spiral?

Okay in the limit it has no area, but if you see it as a limiting process of arbitrarily thin strips then the distortion goes to 0 as the width decreases.

akdor1154 · 2 years ago
Their justification for no boundary cut error is kinda dodgy.. they say they have none because this projection is really two discs back to back, 'you can just stretch a string over the edge of the disk'.

That's cool but by that argument can't i just fold a Mercator map in half and also have no boundary cut?

bunabhucan · 2 years ago
Google maps just repeats if you dont set the limits:

https://i.stack.imgur.com/UhosY.jpg

dmurray · 2 years ago
I would say worse than "kinda dodgy" - it's completely intellectually dishonest, and their paper should not have got past peer review if it claims this has no boundary cut but the Mercator projection has a big one.
DiogenesKynikos · 2 years ago
Equally, one could just glue together the edges of a butterfly map, eliminating the boundary penalty. I think this is cheating.

The problem statement is: find a mapping from the surface of a sphere to ℝ² that minimizes a particular penalty function. This paper maps each hemisphere to ℝ², and then argues that the normal boundary penalty term can be ignored.

However, if you just look at what the map does to South America and Africa, where there's a massive discontinuity at the equator, it's absurd to argue that the boundary penalty should be ignored. This map is useless for equatorial regions, and the penalty function should reflect that.

zokier · 2 years ago
> their paper should not have got past peer review

As far as I can tell its not published anywhere nor received any peer review.

https://xkcd.com/2304/

antiquark · 2 years ago
Yes, dodgy. Same argument could be made for the dymaxion map, which can be folded into an icosahedron, then you can easily stretch the string over the polyhedron.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dymaxion_map

zokier · 2 years ago
> That's cool but by that argument can't i just fold a Mercator map in half and also have no boundary cut?

You need to both fold it in half and glue the ends together, basically creating a torus (or two-sided cylinder) shape

dotancohen · 2 years ago
I've seen maps of the heavens using this projection, with the added stipulation of the celestial equator being on a separate bar. So the two circles would represent e.g. +45 degrees north and south of the celestial equator, and the bars would represent from 45 north to 45 south (or thereabout, I'm not sure about the actual degrees).

Here's one that I just found online:

https://fineartamerica.com/featured/vintage-stars-map-celest...

fish44 · 2 years ago
if you click the map - just West of the tip of India- it creates a much better division - without slicing populated continents in half
Turing_Machine · 2 years ago
That's pretty good. Nice find.

I agree with the other commenter that this would be a good default.

MichaelZuo · 2 years ago
Huh, it looks so much better that it seems strange its not the default.
kristopolous · 2 years ago
Is there any reason why the rotation animation doesn't just use CSS rotation? The code looks rather complicated and this old laptop seems to really be unhappy to do what appears to just be two images doing a standard rotation.

Is it not that?

axblount · 2 years ago
It's performing the projection in real time. It has to because you can change the perspective of the projection by clicking on the map.
kristopolous · 2 years ago
Yeah sure, that feature makes sense. But when you start rotating it by pressing the spin/pause button in the interface, don't things become much simpler?

Maybe the answer is "no" but I really can't understand why.

alanbernstein · 2 years ago
Before I pushed the rotate button, I expected the rotation to be along a different axis, not the one aligned with the projection. i didn't look at the code, does it support that?
kbrosnan · 2 years ago
The paper is from 2012 if the visualization is from that era JS makes sense.
jccalhoun · 2 years ago
This map we made does the best in this metric we invented!
curtisf · 2 years ago
Am I understanding correctly that this is just two 'azimuthal equidistant projections' center on antipodal points, side by side?

(but envisioned as being glued to opposite sides of a single disk)

mxfh · 2 years ago
Yes they are.

It's probably increased accessibility of applied map projection plotting libraries vs. the knowledge of theory and history as formal requirement for making up stuff like this. See also Gall-Peters. Formalizing and marketing Map Projectsions are two separate skill sets.

https://twitter.com/mxfh/status/1363807641932337153

Physplaining [2] describes this quite well, if there is an established body of resarch and astrophysic specialist "rediscover" a specialist area that got reduced exposure with in the era of digital print and publishing.

[1] https://www.mappingasprocess.net/blog/2021/2/17/a-radically-...

[2] https://www.mappingasprocess.[net/blog/2021/2/21/perfecting-...