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DiogenesKynikos commented on US state department stops issuing visas for Gaza’s children to get medical care   theguardian.com/us-news/2... · Posted by u/NomDePlum
alephnerd · 5 days ago
> The people who founded Israel were almost 100% Ashkenazi Jews, mostly from Central and Eastern Europe.

Israelis like Geulah Cohen, Moshe Barzani, Eliyahu Hakim, Shimon Tzabar, Eliyahu Bet-Zuri, Mordechai Alkahi, Avshalom Haviv, Meir Nakar, Eliezer Kashani, and Shmuel Tankus were all prominent Mizrahi leaders and commanders in Lehi, Irgun, and the Haganah.

Kurdish, Iraqi, Levantine, and Turkish Jews had been a prominent demographic in what became Israel well before 1948 due to it's former Ottoman status along with communal incidents in Kurdistan, Iraq, Syria, and Turkiye well before 1948.

In addition, in the late 19th and early 20th century, most of the Ashkenazi who arrived in the Levant at the time aligned with "Ottomanization" [0] or assimilating into Ottoman Turkish culture and dropping any trappings of European culture, hence David Ben Gurion and Yitzhak Ben-Zvi becoming students at the Dârülfünûn-ı Şâhâne in Istanbul and assimilating into Turkish culture during their formative years.

The Labor Zionist movement tended to be primarily Ashkenazi, but they were not alone in founding Israel. Mizrahis were overrepresented in the Irgun and Lehi, both of who's political wings became the Likud.

[0] - https://gala.gre.ac.uk/id/eprint/16111/13/16111%20TALBOT_Jew...

DiogenesKynikos · 21 hours ago
The existence of individual Arab Jews in Israel in 1948 does not change the point that the founders of Israel were almost all Ashkenazi Jews.

Almost every important Israeli politician in the founding years was Ashkenazi (and to this day, every prime minister has been Ashkenazi, surprisingly enough). Yes, you can name various individual members of the pre-state militias / terrorist groups who were not Ashenazi, but they were a tiny minority in a movement dominated by people from Central / Eastern Europe.

DiogenesKynikos commented on China Is Run by Engineers, and the US by Too Many Lawyers   bloomberg.com/news/articl... · Posted by u/JumpCrisscross
vunderba · 9 days ago
Only tangentially related, but during the height of the Covid crisis I remember Taiwan's response was particularly efficient. The vice president of Taiwan from 2016-2020 was Chen Chien-jen (陳建仁) - a man with a DOCTORATE in epidemiology.

The last time the United States had a presidential figure with any kind of STEM background was probably Jimmy Carter (bachelors of science and served as a navy nuclear engineer) - nearly 50 years ago.

DiogenesKynikos · 6 days ago
The mainland Chinese response to Covid was very similar to the Taiwanese response, but the media perception of the two was completely different.
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alephnerd · 8 days ago
> western armed Eastern European terrorist gangs

The majority of Israelis (45%) are Mizrahi or Eastern Sephardi [0] - primarily Moroccan, Iraqi, Yemeni, Syrian, Algerian, Iranian, Kurdish, Azeri, Tajik, and Egyptian in origin. The rest are Arab (20%) or Ashkenazi (33%) but these are overwhelmingly Soviet-era Jews who faced antisemitism during the Soviet era. You also have 1% who are Ethiopian in origin and 1% who are Indian (primarily Marathi) in origin.

The most rightwing Israelis are themselves 1.5 generation Mizrahi, such as Ben Gvir (Kurdish) and Karhi (Tunisian).

The same way Palestinians made homeless due to the 1948 war continue to resent Israel, similarly Mizrahi families continue to resent and distrust the Muslim countries their parents and grandparents were forced to leave from their mohallas.

Assuming Israel is overwhelmingly Ashkenazi is itself white normative and neocolonialist in nature.

> colonial rule

Same for plenty of Jews in Eastern countries.

For example, the Farhud [1] in Iraq as Iraqi Sunnis viewed Iraqi Jews as collaborationists with the British (this was also caused by Nazi propaganda during WW2) and the 1945 Libyan Riots [2] instigated by British occupation forces to coopt Libyan Sunnis.

[0] - https://people.socsci.tau.ac.il/mu/noah/files/2018/07/Ethnic...

[1] - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farhud

[2] - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1945_anti-Jewish_riots_in_Tr...

DiogenesKynikos · 6 days ago
>> western armed Eastern European terrorist gangs

> The majority of Israelis (45%) are Mizrahi or Eastern Sephardi

That's irrelevant to the OP's point. Mizrahi Jews only started arriving after Israel was founded. The people who founded Israel were almost 100% Ashkenazi Jews, mostly from Central and Eastern Europe.

DiogenesKynikos commented on Israeli unit tasked with smearing Gaza journalists as Hamas fighters – report   theguardian.com/world/202... · Posted by u/NomDePlum
asdefghyk · 9 days ago
T his articale includes ..... Al-Sharif wrote in his final message, posthumously published on his social media accounts. “I have lived through pain in all its details, tasted suffering and loss many times, yet I never once hesitated to convey the truth as it is, without distortion or falsification.”......

Did he ever post criticism of Hamas?

DiogenesKynikos · 9 days ago
Even when a journalist is murdered by the Israel Defense Forces (as the IDF itself admits), people still try, "But what about Hamas?"
DiogenesKynikos commented on Israeli unit tasked with smearing Gaza journalists as Hamas fighters – report   theguardian.com/world/202... · Posted by u/NomDePlum
Ancapistani · 10 days ago
I don't understand what's happening on either side, honestly - even as someone who pays fairly close attention, almost none of the reporting strikes me as reliable.

For example, this article is referencing another, published by "the Israeli-Palestinian outlet +972 Magazine". Right off the bat, I'm suspicious of their motives due to their location and its politics. The Guardian article couches statements as "reportedly" and gives an example of "[...] at least one case the unit misrepresented information [...]"

So I went to the source. It relies on unnamed sources. That's understandable, but this isn't an outlet that I'm familiar enough with to judge whether or not they're trustworthy.

The specific example the Guardian mentioned read like this in +972:

    “They said: during the day he’s a journalist, at night he’s a platoon commander. Everyone was excited. But there was a chain of errors and corner-cutting. 

    “In the end, they realized he really was a journalist,” the source continued, and the journalist wasn’t targeted.
I... can't see anything to be upset about there. Israeli intelligence investigated someone, found insufficient evidence to believe they were guilty, and did not target that person. That sounds pretty reasonable to me.

This is not to say I trust pro-Israeli media, either. I don't. Articles I read there are similarly couched in "weasel words", making unsupported assertions and insinuations while carefully avoiding concrete statements.

DiogenesKynikos · 9 days ago
+972 Magazine is reputable. They have broken several major stories during this war, which have held up under scrutiny.

They revealed the Israeli "Lavender" system, for example, which is used to carry out mass AI-driven targeting of supposed Hamas members (and it turns out they target tons of tenuously related people, as well as anyone who happens to be in the vicinity of those people).

The reason why +972 Magazine has been able to break these stories is because it has anonymous sources inside the Israeli military and intelligence establishments. There are still people in Israel who do not agree with everything their government is doing, and some are willing to talk to journalists.

+972 Magazine is pretty rare, in that it's a collaboration between Israeli and Palestinian journalists. Their "motives" are that the Israeli journalists at +972 are much more sympathetic to the Palestinians than most Israelis are, and the Palestinian journalists believe in working together with Israelis to end the military occupation.

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socalgal2 · 10 days ago
I'm the opposite. I hate having to drag my lugguage around while I'm in the airport. I'm happy to wait for my baggage to be delivered. My life isn't so frantic that 10-15 minutes more is the end of the world.

I also don't see it as "downtime". I can check mail, message friends, call friends, read news, listen to podcasts or audio books, or music, all from my phone while I wait.

DiogenesKynikos · 9 days ago
It's 10-15 minutes if the airport you're landing at is functioning properly. I've waited for two hours for a bag before.
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lr0 · 12 days ago
No, he is really an Israeli puppet.
DiogenesKynikos · 9 days ago
He's more of an American puppet, and part of the deal is that he sucks up to Israel. It's a minor difference, but it is a difference.
DiogenesKynikos commented on Reporters killed and foreigners barred in Israel's battle for Gaza narrative   theguardian.com/world/202... · Posted by u/zahirbmirza
asdefghyk · 12 days ago
How many of the Palestine journalists reported on Gazans’ protests against Hamas throughout the war?

Anas Al-Sharif conveniently ignored Gazans’ protests against Hamas throughout the war. Courage, apparently, applies only to reporting what Hamas wants the world to hear.

DiogenesKynikos · 9 days ago
A journalist is murdered (deliberately, by the admission of the perpetrators) by an army that is carrying out a genocidal war against a civilian population, and this is your response? "But why didn't he report on XYZ?"
DiogenesKynikos commented on What does Palantir actually do?   wired.com/story/palantir-... · Posted by u/mudil
DiogenesKynikos · 10 days ago
You'll have to explain that to the Israeli intelligence services, which surveiled Gaza Health Ministry staff (e.g., listening to their phone calls) and determined that they were working in good faith.

Just because the governing political party carries out terrorist attacks against Israel, that does not mean that literally every institution in Gaza is unreliable. The IDF carries out war crimes all the time and is known to be extremely unreliable,[0] but there are still many institutions inside Israel that are reliable.

0. There are way, way too many examples of this to list here, but I'll just highlight one. The IDF attacked a convoy of Palestinian ambulances in Rafah, killing almost all of the paramedics. When this came out, the IDF put out a statement claiming that the ambulances were actually being used as a cover for Palestinian Islamic Jihad and had approached an IDF position with their lights off. Then, a video surfaced of the incident, showing that the ambulances were flashing their emergency lights, and that the paramedics were unarmed and had been gunned down by the IDF. It also came out that the IDF had subsequently buried the ambulances, in order to try to hide the evidence. In other words, the IDF committed a war crime, tried to cover it up, and then concocted an elaborate series of lies that they put out for public consumption: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafah_paramedic_massacre.

DiogenesKynikos commented on What does Palantir actually do?   wired.com/story/palantir-... · Posted by u/mudil
stormking · 10 days ago
Gaza Health Ministry === Hamas.

Stop spreading terrorist's propaganda.

DiogenesKynikos · 10 days ago
This is exactly the sort of brain-dead take that my comment was meant to correct.

The Gaza Health Ministry is a professional organization that has been found again and again to work reliably. Even Israeli intelligence has determined that the Gaza Health Ministry is reliable. Look, I don't like the fact that a far-right political party (founded by a literal terrorist, Menachem Begin) that wants to annex the West Bank and Gaza runs the Israeli government, but I still trust morgue data that comes out of Israel. The same goes for Gaza.

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