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laserbeam · 2 years ago
Dear people of the US. You already have free speech, you don't need to learn it from a university.

You need the unis to learn some advanced skills and do some networking. As an asside, you guys are paying way too much for universities (but that's unrelated to free speech).

tzs · 2 years ago
It's ranking on how free you are to speak, not on how you are taught about free speech (if at all).

It's looking at things like what percent of students say it is OK to shout down speakers to prevent them from speaking, what percent of students say they have to self-censor at least monthly, what percent say they are worried about reputation damage from someone misunderstanding something they say or do, how tolerant the school is to speakers based on political leaning, and some others.

patrick451 · 2 years ago
? This isn't a list of the best Universities to learn about the first amendment.
glimshe · 2 years ago
When I was in college, I tried to spend my time listening, not speaking.
bitshiftfaced · 2 years ago
And when colleges enable small groups with loud voices to suppress other voices, you're going to be spending your time listening to only certain, pre-approved content.
thatcherthorn · 2 years ago
Comprehensive. Seems surprising that Harvard is sitting at the absolute bottom of the list.
tzs · 2 years ago
Keep scrolling past the main list. There is an additional list of six "Warning Schools":

> The following schools have policies that clearly and consistently state that it prioritizes other values over a commitment to freedom of speech. These colleges were excluded from the rankings and were scored relative to one another.

They all have much less free speech than any school on the main list.

readthenotes1 · 2 years ago
Why are you surprised at that?
oldbbsnickname · 2 years ago
Featured on New Rule: Don't Go to College | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO)[0] 20 Oct 2023

An excoriation of elite universities as expensive and professing liberalism without openness and freedom of speech.

FIRE is a non-ideological and nonpartisan group of ex-ACLU alum who really want free speech.

0. https://youtu.be/fMF0bser1aM

owenmarshall · 2 years ago
synecdoche · 2 years ago
Who watches sourcewatch? How do we know there’s no agenda? What makes it an authority on anything?
gettodachoppa · 2 years ago
A quick Google search shows they're run by "Arn Pearson, Executive Director of the Center for Media and Democracy, publisher of SourceWatch, PRWatch, and BanksterUSA".

If you google Arn Pearson (https://muckrack.com/arn-pearson/articles) , he exclusively, and without fail, writes nothing but anti-Republican hit pieces or about how much of a threat the right-wing is. He doesn't seem to have ever found something bad done by a Democrat that might be worth criticizing.

So this seems to be a typical Democrat non-profit where NY trust-fund nepobabies get to hang out for high salaries and lattes and the bi-weekly Republican hit piece, probably funded by similar billionaires as the Republican donations they decry.