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Posted by u/asimova 2 years ago
Show HN: A map that tells you if a NYC cafe has WiFi, a restroom, and an outletoctobrain.one/maps/908lqY...
I am slowly adding more locations now. This is intended to be a crowdsourced map. Everyone is welcome to add more locations and provide comments/votes here.

Free people from going to a cafe for work only to leave because there's no wifi, restroom, or outlet!!

Demo: https://x.com/KSeisai/status/1708273554041504028?s=20

fifilura · 2 years ago
Is public WiFi a thing in NY these days?

In Sweden you'd just sit down and use your phone as a proxy. It is usually much faster, and also much safer.

I live in a smaller town. Maybe the crowdiness of Manhattan is the issue?

gen220 · 2 years ago
As jrmj notes, phone plans with tethering aren't as common and often come with strings attached.

I use my phone in coffee shops that don't have [acceptable] WiFi. The main drawback is needing to be mindful of phone battery in addition to the laptop battery.

That being said, it's a great resource when you need a space to work at 11am-2pm (when all of the WiFi-offering spots are filled). There are a couple of local coffee shops with no WiFi, that don't forbid laptops – they're usually empty during peak hours.

ratg13 · 2 years ago
Although they may exist, I’ve never seen a European provider prohibit tethering.

One would hope such silliness should be illegal.

I just googled it and see that Verizon in the US was successfully sued for blocking tethering .. one would hope that more people take action against companies attempting this.

davidf18 · 2 years ago
I use my iPhone and cellular iPad for 80 GB tethering per month used outside of home and work, for instance in a NYC cafe or outside during the summer. I don't like relying on public WiFi for security reasons. I also bring a nice large powercell for additional charge. It adds about an extra pound, but gives me a full recharge on the 16" MacBook Pro.

Using fast.com (Netflix server) I get 56 Mbps down and 24 Mbps up on Verizon with my iPhone 15 Pro Max in Manhattan which is another reason to use WiFi.

jrmg · 2 years ago
The issue is the lack of cheap phone plans that allow tethering. And even the more expensive ones that do often have low data caps.
f1refly · 2 years ago
Why would a provider forbid tethering? And besides the why, how would they even know you're doing that? If I turn on my phones hotspot, doesn't that look exactly like my phone is doing something™ requiring a high bandwidth?
zo1 · 2 years ago
I perpetually keep my Hotspot on my phone on. For family members and my spare phone. It doesn't drain the battery in any noticeable way.

To me it's weird and so much friction to try figure out wifi Hotspot and password and login. Makes me feel like a homeless poor person, as if I can't pay for my own mobile data.

smabie · 2 years ago
I didn't have internet at my house for a week and had to use my phone hotspot: the amount of heat my phone generated greatly increased while the battery life greatly decreased.

If you're not noticing a drain on your battery from keeping your hotspot on its because no one is connected to it / using it.

joe__f · 2 years ago
I basically never use wifi outside of my house these days
dijit · 2 years ago
Espresso House (in Sweden) tends to have public access wifi, but it is extremely slow compared to 4G.

What I find more surprising is that Sweden dropped “unlimited” data plans, I’m not aware of any data plan that is unlimited now. So if you want to do some video calls then I would be looking for wifi.

fifilura · 2 years ago
30GB/month will get you very far also for video calls IMO.

But yes that is exactly the thing. Except for the security risks it is just not worth the hassle to go through a captive portal sign-on just to find out that the WiFi is so much worse than using your phone.

KomoD · 2 years ago
What do you mean? There's unlimited data plans, e.g. telenor, tele2, tre, chilimobil, etc.
satvikpendem · 2 years ago
Yes, NYC has Wi-Fi at many shops and restaurants, and at the very least, it has these LinkNYC stations that provide free Wi-Fi along with Google Maps and other services.

https://www.link.nyc

fifilura · 2 years ago
What i meant was - is it really needed when everyone has internet in their pocket?
mainpassathome · 2 years ago
european data plans tend to be cheaper iirc
vlz · 2 years ago
Cool project, I wanted to contribute for my city but clicking on Sign In. "Continue with Google" seems to be the only option. That made me sad and leave. I know implementing auth is a hassle and might well take more time than adding the map, but it would be nice to have some option beside "Login with Advertising Giant account"
asimova · 2 years ago
totally a valid point, was focusing on building the product so didn't think too much about the email signup, will allow regular email sign ups soon!
jbotdev · 2 years ago
Anecdotally, I’ve noticed most cafes in NYC with more than a handful of seats have a bathroom (even if they hide it) and WiFi. Outlets are pretty much everywhere, it’s more a matter of whether you can get a seat next to one.
benguild · 2 years ago
a friend and I tried to launch a startup around this a number of years back with really nice mobile apps, and he has a web/Git-based incarnation of something similar going here now: https://cafeandcowork.com
seltzered_ · 2 years ago
Vaguely remember one called 'coffee & power': https://alternativeto.net/software/coffee-and-power/about/
benguild · 2 years ago
yeah there have been a few of these. ours was https://cafewifi.com … these projects require a lot of effort and we tried a bunch of ideas, but ultimately had to call it quits after a while on that one
greenSunglass · 2 years ago
I use that one everyday
kyriakos · 2 years ago
I find it surprising that there are cafés without restrooms. In many countries if you have at least one table you are required to have a restroom to be given a license to operate your business.
stemlord · 2 years ago
American cities are poorly legislated and suffer from a tragedy of the commons when it comes to basic public needs like restrooms. We have deep seated issues that keep us from being able to have nice things like that.
joenot443 · 2 years ago
A lot of European countries I've been to suffer an even worse result - restaurants are legally allowed to _charge_ already paying customers to use a restroom. Coming from Canada, I can never imagine treating your patrons like that.
xyzelement · 2 years ago
I can't recall the last time I've been to a cafe in the US without a bathroom. Perhaps we don't legislate this stuff because we don't have the problem?
Scoundreller · 2 years ago
where I am, they're only required if you have over a certain number of seats. The mostly pickup/delivery pizza place near me has 2 tables in a comically large empty foyer because I think that was their workaround.
rcstank · 2 years ago
Why is it a requirement?
Scoundreller · 2 years ago
Having a place to wash your hands is one stated idea of why they're usually required in Canada.

I'm sure governments like the idea of not having to build-out public bathroom infrastructure (which gets a lot harder in places that freeze).

ShadowBanThis01 · 2 years ago
Because at some point our public servants had a modicum of integrity in their stated mission: the public good.
unethical_ban · 2 years ago
One could call it an unfunded mandate for public availability of restrooms. Not that I find that to be a bad thing.

I noticed in Denver a number of places that had gone out of their way to remove seating specifically to avoid having to offer restrooms to the booming homeless population in the urban center there.

mvdtnz · 2 years ago
Pissing is a basic human need.
JSavageOne · 2 years ago
I started building something like this last year, but eventually stopped working on it https://nomadz.app/

I still like the concept. But it feels tough to compete with Google Maps in the geo-information / review space. If Google Maps just added a more robust reviewing feature (eg. wifi speed) and metadata (outlets), then there wouldn't be a need for our projects.

Also individually there is inherently no incentive to share some gem of a coffee shop you found with limited seating capacity to strangers on the internet. I had some ideas to work around that, but it's something that really needs to be addressed. It's amazing anyone even bothers to write reviews for any sites (except as a favor to a nice person, or out of revenge for terrible service) given that none of the platforms really incentivize it, which is a shame. As much flack as social media sites get, I do believe there is space for it in this domain - which I guess Google Maps is sort of starting to adopt but Google is just horrendously terrible at trying to do anything in the social media space or UI/UX-related (eg. like a bunch of CS nerds trying to create a women's fashion blog).

pietervdvn · 2 years ago
Such a niche map is something that is very hard to pull of. You need a community of millions to contribute geodata, so if such a map is not based on OpenStreetMap, it is destined to whither after a few years.

But, don't fret. This is precisely why I made https://mapcomplete.org, where you can create niche maps based on OpenStreetMap. This jumpstarts general information but has the possibility to add very niche questions. The added bonus is that, when you add e.g. a cafe, it'll be available in all other maps as well.

For this topic, I've added a filter to filter on 'has internet access'. I also added the question if a cafe offers electricity, but those haven't been marked in NYC yet; so here is a map with all cafes offering internet access: https://mapcomplete.org/cafes_and_pubs.html?z=9.8&lat=40.697...

Browsing can be done without an account, contributing requires an OSM-account.

sourcegrift · 2 years ago
On that note, what is the fastest way to make an app that just allows multiple signed in users to mark something on the map? I'd like to make an app that marks all public hand-pumps in India. My hope is that this would increase the hygiene in my country.
asimova · 2 years ago
I build it in about 2 days with ChatGPT, totally doable. tech stack Nextjs + Typescript + Google Map Api (I use react-google-maps/api package which is much more user friendly).
LeoPanthera · 2 years ago
Wouldn't this be better suited as metadata for OpenStreetMap? I'm sure at least some of these things are already metadata fields there.
asimova · 2 years ago
Certainly, I'm just trying to use this feature to indirectly promote my app lol (also would like to have full control over UI/UX I guess...)
LeoPanthera · 2 years ago
Why don’t you use the OpenStreetMap data as the backend for your app? You could then submit updates back to OSM.