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Posted by u/jasondigitized 3 years ago
Ask HN: What is a specific use of GPT-4 that you think is remarkable?
I see plenty of hot takes on Twitter about GPT-4 and how its going to kill jobs and give us super powers. What I am not seeing are practical and specific applications outside of "Write code" or "Summarize articles". What examples do you have where someone used GPT-4/AI tech that had a high degree of utility for a specific job to be done? The guy who found his pets illness after the vet gave up is a good specific example applied to a very narrow use case.
yosito · 3 years ago
I've got a thread going with ChatGPT about an app I'm building. It knows all of the libraries I'm using, and has seen the main App component, the Router and many of the key components. I'm asking it about every task I need to do, feature I need to implement, bug I need to fix. Basically rubber ducking with it and talking through everything I'm doing as if it were my coworker. It's reducing my time to solve problems by about 80%. I'm able to do 4-6 times as much in a day as I could without ChatGPT when I was stuck figuring out everything tediously on my own. For context, I'm a full stack developer with about 15 years of experience, so I know what I'm doing. ChatGPT is just taking care of a lot of the trial and error and figuring out how to use different libraries or implement certain algorithms.
waboremo · 3 years ago
I'm seeing similar, chatgpt replacing a lot of external libraries and digging through the weeds to find the right endpoint.

After all, why bother dealing with so many external libraries to get it done when you can just relay the core ones you must use and ask chatgpt to flesh out the rest in a way that suits your needs? Need a component to be gamepad accessible written in Vue? Ask and you'll receive. No more bothering with that library that hasn't been updated in years or wasting time figuring out if x package is stable enough.

Same with endpoints, no having to sort through 30 different sites and navigating horrible menus to potentially see a comment where someone says "oh the endpoint changed it's actually x". Even if chatgpt gets it wrong, it's so much faster to just tell it that the endpoint is wrong or whatever the error you're actually getting.

Like you mentioned though the big caveat is to know what you're working with. Without that you're going to waste a lot of time not knowing where chatgpt is going wrong. That will probably improve eventually, but if you're trying to learn a new programming language through it, you will likely be holding yourself back or learning very odd patterns.

sacnoradhq · 3 years ago
ChatGPT replaces StackOverflow
gtirloni · 3 years ago
If you're not using external libraries that are maintained by other people, how do you handle your code's maintainability in the long-term? Keep asking ChatGPT to fix it when things break?
notJim · 3 years ago
I have a similar-ish thread going for an app I'm building.

In my case, the app is just a toy simulation that simulates creatures with simple neural network brains. I knew very little about neural networks going into it, but knew a few terms to ask ChatGPT about. I initially asked ChatGPT to help me figure out which configuration to use for the neural networks, and to explain what some of the terms mean. I also asked it to provide some code samples and give advice for using some of the libraries involved.

The difference compared to Googling things is that ChatGPT can give you succinct answers to your specific questions. With Google, I'd say half the time Google just ignores half your search terms, or if it decides your search is worthy, the answer to your question is buried somewhere in a long, technical article. ChatGPT will respond to your specific question, and then you can ask follow-up questions.

I do worry about ChatGPT's famous propensity for lying, but I guess it's a bit like getting information from Wikipedia. If something is really important, you better find a better source, but if you're okay with muddling through and taking your learnings with a grain of salt, it's probably fine.

Terretta · 3 years ago
The catch with this is when there's been a fundamental shift in best practice within the past year or two.

For example, anything with MacOS predates Ventura, so it will think the Mac is on Python 2 and has no awareness of a host of new APIs/SDKs for hardening.

On the other hand, if you're doing it regularly, you are also learning how to frame your interaction to keep it on point rather than hallucinating positivity. Once you hit that stride, it's indeed a handy little rubber duck!

ryangs · 3 years ago
Can you describe the structure of your conversation? Did you describe what libraries you were using and send the full code of the main app component?
achenatx · 3 years ago
here is one I used for teaching girl scouts to code:

chat gpt build me a pong program using Ruby2D. It built one but it had some problems

The ball goes through the paddle, please fix that. Then it wrote a collision detection routine for the paddle.

The game has no way to restart. Write code that restarts the game with the space bar. It then did that

Have the game keep score and have the game end at 11 points.

etc

For marketing I did something like

tell me the top problems that CIOs of companies that lease equipment run into with their leasing automation software.

It gave me a relatively generic list.

Which ones of these do CIOs report is the most important.

Integrations

Can you elaborate on the top software that that leasing automation software needs to integrate with. It gave specific software.

etc

yosito · 3 years ago
I started with a pretty simple prompt: "I am building an app using Expo, React Native, React Navigation, React Query, Nativebase, Google Maps and lodash. Expo exports the app for web, iOS and Android. The purpose of the app is to view data related to <specific domain> on a map. The data comes from an internal API."

And then just started asking it questions about each task I was trying to complete. Often I say, "Here is my code in MyComponent.jsx: <paste code> I want to implement <describe feature>. How can I do that?" and GPT will usually respond with tutorial-like steps to take, or sometimes just with the code for a function it thinks I should implement. I read what it suggests, paste it, modify it if necessary, try it out, adjust and repeat.

cjdoc29 · 3 years ago
So I have yet to use ChatGPT (I know, I know), but are you able to keep long running threads with it? How does it know context about your app? Are you simply copying and pasting code?

This is really cool to hear about.

throwawaytemp29 · 3 years ago
You can run into issues with long running threads. It only has so much context (I think around 4K words). It doesn’t have all the context of all the thread. My understanding is that it is summarizing the thread and resubmitting it as part of the prompt each time.

It took me a while to figure out why it kept forgetting things from earlier in the thread.

I’m looking forward to when you can have a bigger context or explicitly set some sort of context that is persistent.

yosito · 3 years ago
Yep, the threads are permanent. I've got approximately 200 separate threads going with it right now.

I gave it a summary when I started using it: "I am building an app using Expo, React Native, React Navigation, React Query, Nativebase, Google Maps and lodash. Expo exports the app for web, iOS and Android. The purpose of the app is to view data related to <specific domain> on a map. The data comes from an internal API."

Then I started copying and pasting code or asking questions about using the libraries I had mentioned.

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jacknews · 3 years ago
Would love to read a blog post showing this in detail.
rglover · 3 years ago
I've been using it for long-term memory supplementation. Had a faint memory of driving around in a friend's truck back in high school and was trying to remember a Marilyn Manson song we always played.

Asked it this the other day:

> Are there any other marilyn manson songs with a crowd shouting?

And it spit out:

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Yes, Marilyn Manson has used the sound of a crowd shouting in several other songs besides "The Beautiful People." Here are a few examples:

"Irresponsible Hate Anthem" - This song, which appears on the album "Antichrist Superstar," opens with the sound of a crowd chanting "Hate! Hate! Hate! Hate!" before launching into a heavy industrial metal riff.

"The Fight Song" - Another track from the "Holy Wood (In the Shadow of the Valley of Death)" album, "The Fight Song" features a crowd chanting "Marilyn Manson" before the song begins.

"This Is the New Shit" - This song, from the album "The Golden Age of Grotesque," features a chorus that includes the sound of a crowd shouting "Are you motherfuckers ready for the new shit?"

These are just a few examples, as Marilyn Manson has used the technique of incorporating crowd shouting in several of his songs throughout his career.

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I'm highly skeptical of GPT/LLM as a replacement for humans at the task-level, but for search, this can't be beat. It replied almost instantaneously.

Even more shocking: I think this will seriously destroy Google and the concept of SEO. That's extraordinary considering how pivotal Google is to the internet of today. This is the beginning of the OS in the movie Her.

drummojg · 3 years ago
Similarly, I used it to answer the question, "Who was the Black female author whose works were saved from an estate bonfire?" Neither DDG nor Goog could answer for me (kept coming up Maya Angelou which is totally wrong--it was, of course, Zora Neale Hurston as I should have remembered in the first place.
neilv · 3 years ago
> I think this will seriously destroy Google and the concept of SEO.

Presumably, SEO will evolve.

An SEO goal might be to have influence over people, and one method is to game the information systems people use.

Before, the specific methods involved gaming search engines. Right now, they'll be looking at gaming LLMs.

marcus_holmes · 3 years ago
Presumably by writing content that is hyper-targeted at specific questions (e.g. "which is the best X for me to use?") that the LLM will then consume, hoping that it will be regurgitated as fact when the LLM answers that specific question. [I am not an expert on LLM training, so I might be wrong]

This will then mean writing a lot of such content, because hyper-targeted and presumably more repetition = more weighting.

Which is too boring a task for a human. So we'll have an LLM that churns out blog articles that are not designed for humans to read, but purely for other LLMs to read. They may even discover optimisations over "natural" language that improve readability for the target LLM. So we'd end up with half the web being full of incomprehensible junk designed to game search results for commercial gain. So no change then ;)

d0mine · 3 years ago
How certain are you that these are real songs and not just hallucinations? How would you check it?

Web search shows its sources e.g., if it is link to the official YouTube channel, then there is some certainty that is not a fake.

galleywest200 · 3 years ago
You check the output by listening to the songs.

A web search to find songs of an artist with shouting would take listening to a bunch of tracks you "thought" were it. Now at least you have three to look at first.

I did the same thing last night with "Sega dreamcast games with giant robots". It spit out names and I searched them on wikipedia until I found the exact one I remembered. (Slave Zero was the game for the curious)

achenatx · 3 years ago
over time it will be able to play the songs and the exact location in the songs. You can ask for references now and it hasnt worked well.
xboxnolifes · 3 years ago
Is this a trick question, or something? You look up the song name on YouTube/apple music/Spotify/a song index to listen and see if they ended up being the song you thought about.
shusaku · 3 years ago
I like it for tip of my tongue questions too
ipaddr · 3 years ago
90% of searches are trying to find websites not teach concepts. If they want to learn something it's usually current.. who won the game.. fire locally. If you want to learn how to lift weights simple instructions are not going to replace videos of fit influencers you follow. I think google is safe
vyrotek · 3 years ago
The fact that you can put in garbage unstructured data, ask it questions, and then "convert" it to JSON is kind of magical. It's like computers have a new analog/organic input system. [0]

Also, been recently playing with ways to generate API code plumbing without any schema layers. (Swagger/OpenAPI/Proto) [1]

[0] https://twitter.com/vyrotek/status/1640417769303977984

[1] https://twitter.com/vyrotek/status/1640142385282949121

realusername · 3 years ago
Maybe we can finally code a 100% functional CSV importer which deal with all the broken stuff people invented haha
sxv · 3 years ago
Impressive, but it seems to have hallucinated Lilly's location.
realaleris149 · 3 years ago
Also, was M from Male or the initial of another name?
woeirua · 3 years ago
Call center employees are pretty much as good as gone once the price comes down on GPT4. You can pretty easily give it a good prompt that allows it to answer very specific questions about your company, or interact with external APIs to schedule services, make changes based on the customer's requests, etc. Throw some Speech to Text and Text to Speech services in front and behind it, and voila you have an AI receptionist that blows literally every automated answering service out of the water today. IMO, 90% of call center employees will be out of work in the next 10 years.
dandelany · 3 years ago
I am dreading the inevitable future day when I have to argue about a denied health insurance claim on the phone with a fucking robot prompted to make it as difficult as possible for me to win.
lwansbrough · 3 years ago
Why would you do that when you can dispatch your own AI to argue for you?
extr · 3 years ago
Optimistically, it might be an improvement. Imagine a world where you can call in or chat. Hold time is zero in both cases. You never need to "transfer" to a new department, or supply the same information over and over. LLMs have access to all the case files and needed info on the backend instantaneously.

Health insurance companies may still seek to deny claims, but the fog of bureaucracy is no longer so easy to hide behind. LLMs should be able to give you a plain-english explanation of why your claim was denied instantly. If they refuse, there will inevitably be consumer-advocate LLMs that can cite the specifics of your health insurance plan in response, or argue on your behalf. I think companies will find that this is a big waste of time, and cut to the chase. Either there is a legitimate reason for claim denial or not. If there is legitimate disagreement on the interpretation of your plan, escalation to lawyers and human review can be fast-tracked.

el_nahual · 3 years ago
The startup opportunity is to have an adversarial chatbot argue on your behalf. Feed it the terms and conditions of your policy, claim info, and then have it duke it out with the insurance company.
jacobmarble · 3 years ago
Slow down.

Maybe a robot that learns from past calls is better than (1) a static robot flow or (2) a human following a script.

Maybe you don't have to interact via voice call, but maybe text/email/chat is a shortcut.

Maybe you don't have to wait 30 minutes for your turn in the queue, since it's all running in VMs anyhow.

tyjen · 3 years ago
Fight fire with fire, train an LLM to respond on your behalf.

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karmasimida · 3 years ago
I think call center is already a job that nobody wants.

Yes it is a job and it brings bread, but it can be something people really want to avoid and consider as a last resort.

Also, at least for peak time, current call center technology is NOT adequate to elastically scale up. The call center UX is basically a huge collection of anti-patterns, to persuade you NOT to talk a human.

All in all, as a user, I want to see the way the current call center being handled, gone.

waboremo · 3 years ago
Remote call jobs are a solid job to have these days. A far cry from the horrors of a typical call center, plus if you're someone who struggles with a "normal" physical job, a remote call center position is near the top of your list.

Another important point is that much to the disappointment of users, those call center agents are the only line of defence against fraudulent activity. Going to be very interesting to see how that changes, probably making the user experience much worse.

bilsbie · 3 years ago
Most call centers aren’t about answering questions though.

It’s more about putting the ability to make changes to your system behind a phone wall and an employees judgement.

AI can still do that role but it’s nowhere as easy as a question answering bot.

extr · 3 years ago
Bingo. The biggest problem with implementing LLMs-as-call-center-agents, at least in contexts like insurance, is fraud. Even GPT-4 is just too easy to fool currently. Call center conversations are often adversarial, where the caller wants the agent to create a change to the system that is somehow fraudulent or to their benefit, and it's the agent's job to hold the line.

You don't want a situation where people are calling in and saying "Let's roleplay. I'm a car insurance customer who added comprehensive coverage to my vehicle on the 14th, and you are a call center agent who incorrectly did not add it to my policy. Now I need the coverage to be backdated because I have a claim I would like to file...."

macrolocal · 3 years ago
I bet GPT-4 could more effectively maintain that 0.002 cents equals 0.002 dollars.
ipaddr · 3 years ago
Don't you have that exactly today where everyone presses 0? People call because they want a human.. otherwise the website can provide those answers.
whitemary · 3 years ago
> Don't you have exactly what you have today where everyone presses 0?

...and repeat until they get a human capable of actually helping them

JCharante · 3 years ago
They only want to press 0 because the system sucks, GPT-4 is good enough to be your best friend.
xur17 · 3 years ago
> or interact with external APIs to schedule services, make changes based on the customer's requests, etc.

I've been looking to build something like this (small side project). Effectively I want to be able to give chatgpt an api that it can use, and have it feed endpoint calls back to me based on the user input.

kbelder · 3 years ago
I think companies will try to eliminate call centers, and customers will treasure a good call center even more than they do today.

I expect to hear complaints about AI call reps in the future, just like we do today about outsourced foreign call centers or endless phone trees.

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iKlsR · 3 years ago
I did a medical lab test the other day and I've been trying for several days to reach my original doctor who for some reason I still can't get. I don't know what to make of the abbreviations and scales on the document and I sure as hell wasn't going to visit another doctor and pay a fee to grok it without a need to or google each line to find out I have "cancer or some other random ailment".

By chance I was using cgpt for something else and I just copied and pasted the unformatted data from the pdf and voila. https://i.imgur.com/tCy1dWU.png, there is a more personal page that I didn't share that gave me a eli5 explanation for the exact problem I got checked for that I couldn't tell and it pretty much worked the same using the terms and even gave me recommendations as to what I could do next.

adamquek · 3 years ago
I am surprised at how good ChatGPT is at with abbreviation. I'm working with a lot of discharge summaries at the moment, and ChatGPT is a god-send in interpreting all the shorthand used.

It will take me forever otherwise to find out that the shortform CR2 means second complete remission.

johnfn · 3 years ago
I think GPT4 isn't amazing (that is, better than excellent humans) at any specific task, so I doubt that many things it does, in isolation, are remarkable. Where they shine is that GPT4 and ChatGPT are really good at doing lots of menial tasks really quickly. e.g. I can ask it to refactor my code, rewrite it in a different style, add a new function etc and it'll happily do that all day.

Probably the best use case was for learning about things I didn't understand. I asked GPT4 questions about CSS Grid yesterday. With GPT4 I could drill directly into areas I was curious about and get a pretty uniformly good explanation, e.g. "explain to me more about the layout algorithm". Doing that with google is possible, but it's annoying to have to continually bounce between various shoddy articles on different websites in order to get a patchwork of understanding.

Filligree · 3 years ago
Unlike 3.5, GPT-4 is competent at translation. Not just competent; it's better than most human translators. We might not want to leave it to its own devices yet, but there's a large number of novels that were never translated, or were only translated badly.

Personally, I've been setting things up to have it translate a series of light novels from Japanese to English. Experiments through the chat interface show it's working; now I just need API access, to fully automate it.

realusername · 3 years ago
Text translation is basically solved with DeepL, at least on the languages it supports, it's indistinguishable for my native language.

This is not talked much right now but language learning will become a hobby at this point between the increasing quality of speech recognition, translation and speech synthesis.

famouswaffles · 3 years ago
Translation is not solved with deepl at ll. Not with difficult language pairs (English/Chinese, English/Japanese, English/korean etc ). That's where LLMs shine. Far ahead.
carlosjobim · 3 years ago
No electronic solution can ever come close to having a real spoken conversation with another person. DeepL and other AI translators are great for text, though.
benlivengood · 3 years ago
We should really start pointing the giant LLMs at animal vocalizations and get cross-species translation.

There's some prior work: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-scientists-ar...

thret · 3 years ago
I really hope we're able to use LLMs to understand animals in the near future. They are communicating, and we should be able to communicate back.
yosito · 3 years ago
> GPT-4 is competent at translation

That really depends on the language. It's still kinda awkward at Hungarian. Personally, I think DeepL is still way better at translation.

numeri · 3 years ago
In what ways would you say its awkward? I'm really curious about its performance in languages that might not have shown up in its training data much. I will say, I've tried using it with a dialect, and it's good when it chooses to use the dialect, but slips into formal/prestige language extremely often.

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syntaxing · 3 years ago
Do you have an example of this!?!! There's so many untranslated light novels I want to read but the ML translation has been historically terrible where it's not readable. Being able to translate light novels without a translator/scanlator would be huge.
famouswaffles · 3 years ago
i don't compare with GPT-4 and it's chinese but https://github.com/ogkalu2/Human-parity-on-machine-translati...
finder83 · 3 years ago
Mostly code here, but I've found a few uses, mostly around brainstorming that I use as a starting point to further thought:

Brainstorming ideas such as around a party theme for my kids. Games we can play, decorations, etc.

Generating exercise ideas, particularly since I don't much like gyms or common methods

Helped me to understand some medical side effects of thyroid issues and the medicine I'm taking. Actually I learned from it that Iron interferes with my medicine, and I was taking vitamins at the same time as I was taking it. Seems minor, but my brain's definitely more active after changing things.

We just started a business, so ideas around sales tactics, what to include in a business plan, etc

Getting my mind going with questions to ask for a Bible lesson I teach around a specific passage. Apparently it can pretty much quote an interpret any passage I've given to it and generate questions, in different styles or levels of depth.

Having it explain or find interesting tidbits around the ancient Greek in a bible passage. This one surprised me. Apparently it understands to some degree declensions, parts of speech, verb tenses, etc. It's not 100% correct here, but maybe as correct as it is with code. I'm not an expert either, just graduated seminary, so it's a nice support