Is there some hardware limitation of AMD Ryzen laptop processors that prevents a high-res display?
Every time I see one of these laptops (like the recent HP linux laptop, etc), I think they look really interesting except that I wish they had a higher res display - I've not seen any Ryzen laptop with what I'd call a premium display - something high DPI.
There's no limitation for Ryzen itself, it's largely up to the ODM/OEM to decide. For example, Lenovo and Asus have multiple QHD/4K options for Ryzen 5000 and 6000 series (iGPU-only) laptops (just do a search for Yogas, Thinkpads, Zenbook, Vivobook, etc).
Note, certain designs might have display limitations. A couple years ago, for the 1st gen PF5NU1G, Schenker tried to get a 4K OLED panel to run, but failed due to PCON compatibility and then sourcing/logistics issues: https://www.reddit.com/r/XMG_gg/comments/izg598/no_4koled_pa...
I've actually found it quite hard to find Ryzen 6000 laptops with just an iGPU. RDNA2 would be perfect for me, you lose the weight and cooling issues that come with a dGPU but still have enough graphical performance to play some games.
> Is there some hardware limitation of AMD Ryzen laptop processors that prevents a high-res display?
It's probably a limitation of the company they source the laptops from (Clevo?) :-)
The recently announced Tuxedo Pulse 2 [0] has a 1440p display; and the teased Starlabs Starfighter [1] is expected to come with a 4K display. Both are AMD laptops.
I didn't even see the Gen2 release. I own the Gen1 after much consideration (and very nice community management from Tom over at the XMG Subreddit). I got it in December of 2021 for about 600 Euros. (Great Deal).
I know I am very susceptible to "the new shiny" and already have the itch to go for the Gen2 since it really brings some amazing improvements to the table. Mainly more external displays. The rest is nice to have (wouldn't have needed >60Hz panel to be honest). Oh and the Gen1 USB-C charging only works with a subset of all available USB-C chargers. Probably some kind of incompatibility with the IC on the motherboard. [1]
If you're thinking about getting it, I can (at least for Gen1) vouch for it.
To clarify: Tuxedocomputers is a subsidiary(?) of XMG/Schenker. Their "Pulse 15" is equivalent to Schenker's "Via 15 Pro".
Can you please explain what use hi DPI displays have in general? I bought one and it was almost nothing but disappointment except viewing photos. For me it concludes as purely wasted computational (and electrical) power.
As others have said, smooth, crisp font rendering. I’ve been using high DPI displays for almost 10 years now and would never consider going back. Using a 1440 monitor, say, feels to me like using a machine with a floppy disk: an anachronism.
My wife though swears she cannot tell the difference and doesn’t care which she uses. This boggles my mind and is actually a bit frustrating to me, but that’s my problem.
So, I’m interested in if you can tell the difference but don’t care or if it’s something else.
I’ve always used a Mac though, maybe that’s the difference? Never seen Linux/Windows in 4K.
For me, it's all about text. I spend my whole day staring at text in some form - email, code, etc. A good high DPI display creates a much better text shape for the same physical size text on screen (and doesn't have as much of an issue with trying to snap vertical text to actual pixels, etc).
It makes reading a lot easier for me - and vastly decreases how tired I feel after a day of it.
I had an old iPad (before retina) and used it for general tasks, sometimes. My newer hiDPI iPad has become my primary device for everything but actual work.
I would never have read a book on the old iPad, I read several in hiDPI. It really changes the way you read if the fonts are (perceptually) as crisp as print.
It's a gpu power consumption/battery life issue. Putting a high res display in an Air clone ("ultrabook") means poor battery life unless you can also make a very efficient GPU (which so far only Apple has done).
The battery life on my 4k XPS13 is atrocious and it gets hot enough to burn my thighs.
Battery life vs display resolution is always a balancing act. Even macbooks don't have 4k displays for this reason. Makes me wonder why manufacturers opt to make so many 4k laptops compared to 2k ones.
everyone talking about HiDPI, but everyone seems to miss display brightness. Standard displays are 200 - 300 nits, woefully inadequate if you are going to use it on the balcony, terrace or even near a big window. Very limiting if you open a laptop and it's unreadable.
For the first time I splashed out on a premium 4K monitor 32", and at 600 nits you forget the word glare - there is no glare if the screen is brighter than the sun.
Yes, this is crazy frustrating. The problem isn’t exclusive to boutique Linux laptops either, a lot of manufacturers use terribly dim panels that are barely usable in a well-daylight-lit room, and exacerbating it they’re glossy with extremely ineffective antiglare coating, which adds a thick layer of glare that the dim backlight doesn’t have a prayer of cutting through.
Even expensive laptops can have this problem… I briefly owned a $2k+ ASUS ROG G15 that had an otherwise nice screen (15.6” 2560x1440 144hz IPS satin finish), but had a 300 nit backlight which rendered all that moot except at night.
This is one of those things that Apple nails. The MacBooks I’ve used for work have all had displays bright enough to handle a bright room with ease with very little glare despite being glossy. My Thinkpad X1 Nano also has a matte 500 nit display that’s quite nice.
Intel does a fair bit of exclusivity deals to prevent vendors from making certain pairings. It also didn't help that amd mobile CPUs were budget options for a long time. Manufacturers haven't caught on to the demand yet really.
It depends on what you're looking for. There's been a withdrawal on focusing on 4K displays in laptops. Most of them exist as a marketing point, but provide no ancillary benefits.
One thing you might notice is "low res" displays tend to support things like higher refresh rates, might have better color and HDR
I have an ROG Flow X13 2021 with the 1980x1200 display. This "low res" display supports higher refresh rates, variable refresh rate, has good color and HDR support, and works quite well for a 13" laptop.
Nope. See e.g. my reply here elsewhere about the Xiaomi RedmiBook Pro.
These are available since a while with ~240ppoi screens (3.2×2k). I.e.the 2021 model already had that resolution.
Also Huawei's MateBook laptop series has been offering AMD CPUs + HDPI screens since years, afaik.
I wonder what's with all the "3:2 screen" aficionados recently.
Some years ago, a 3:4 screen was considered "bad" and "unusable" and 16:9 or 16:10 was what you needed to have. Now 16:9 is bad and 3:2 (pretty close to 4:3) is back in business?
Is this just about chasing the latest fad? I mean 16:9 or even 16:10 has so much horizontal space that it's perfect if you do software development for example. Why is it so common now to give that up for more vertical space?
* great res/aspect ratio, but claimed 300 nits, which is good enough for most indoor usage, but not in brighter environments) - that being said, Notebookcheck tested theirs at 350 nits
* RAM is soldered so you're locked into 16GB (M.2 wifi and 2280 SSD can be replaced)
* no USB-A ports
Overall though it's a pretty great laptop, can't wait to see how the Ryzen 6000 version performs (and if it had a 32GB version would be high on my personal shopping list).
I've seen Ryzen 5000 series laptops with premium displays. I wouldn't consider 4K to be the only metric for that, though. My current Ryzen 5900HS laptop (from 2021) gave me the option of a 1920x1200 display or 3840x2400 at a lower refresh rate. Both displays have good color support, HDR, etc, but I went for the 1920x1200 display model for the smoother experience.
When I came out of laser eye surgery, I ended up with exceptional vision. I'd have to pixel peep to see a difference between those 2 display options. I would have preferred something that met half way in the middle, but this DPI is fine for the display size. Outside of that, I get good color accuracy, good brightness with HDR, and the high refresh rate with adaptive sync makes for a very smooth experience.
Do we not consider features like that also premium?
My experience has been that Linux is bad at scaling HiDPI. Maybe KDE is better. In Linux-specific forums and chats, I've seen many people comment that they go out of their way to buy a 1080p display to avoid the scaling issues.
None, I have an AMD Ryzen laptop with a highres display (1440p), and there are with 4k displays. It's just that a loooooot of laptops you're seeing are going to be rebrands of these ones.
I have a 4K display AMD Ryzen laptop (Asus ROG Flow X13 2021 edition), so yes it's actually possible. The Japanese fonts look really pretty when everything is scaled 200% (to be equivalent to 2K display). But I value real estate so I still have everything on 100%.
For some reason, the 2022 edition lineup no longer offers 4K display.
I guess you weren't looking hard enough. I am writing this on a fairly light and slim machine, equipped with Ryzen 5800 and a 16:10 2560x1600 @ 120Hz display. I used to have a 14 inch model with an even higher resolution at same refresh rate. Both were ~1k euro, depending on exact configuration.
If I were to buy a new laptop I'd probably avoid high DPI displays. I can display fonts small enough that I can't read them even though the screen can resolve them on the older 1080p screen my thinkpad has. All the high DPI means is extra trouble and I think they know this.
Nope. Even HP sells a 13 inch 2560x1600 Ryzen laptop for about $700. Asus goes even higher resolution on their 13 inch OLED at 2880x1800 but it costs more.
But I'm not sure there is a difference between 1920 and 2560 for most users at 13-14 inches.
High DPI on something like a phone screen makes sense since it is often used so close to the face - but are people really getting this close to their computer displays?
For a 1080p 14" screen, and a person with 20:20 vision, you would need to be closer than 50cm to the screen to be able to discern any visual differences. Hackernews has lots of people who like to claim they can tell the difference, but the science of visual acuity is against them and they never back up these claims with studies or experiments.
Given a blind A/B test at a normal desk viewing distance, I'm doubtful any of these people would be able to pick out the difference between 1080p and 4k on a screen so small.
High DPI displays have been available for a decade, since the 2012 retina macbook pro. "Science of visual acuity" aside, the difference is noticeable.
I use a tablet pc and find it bizarre some vendors sell the m with 1080p displays when it's meant to be used closer to the face at be times. 2-in-1 budget laptops also have the same issue when using 1080p panels
Hm, that's not available on Lenovo's UK store that I can find :(
Maybe it's also a regional issue.
edit: or the US store? shows me a T14 Gen 2 (AMD) - Up to AMD Ryzen™ 7 Pro 5850U Processor, Up to 14.0" FHD (1920 x 1080) IPS, anti-glare, touchscreen with Privacy Guard
or
T14 Gen2 (Intel) -
Up to 11th Gen Intel® Core™ i7-1185G7 with vPro™,
Up to 14" UHD (3840 x 2160) IPS, anti-glare with Dolby Vision™
> It is baffling to me why AMD chose to have the odd-numbered 5000 series (5300/5500/5700) with Zen2, and the even-numbered 5000 with Zen3.
Oh no, it's actually even worse than that.
5300U/5500U/5700U are Zen 2 (Lucienne, Renoir Refresh).
5300G/5400U/5700G/5700H are Zen 3 (Cezanne).
I find it remarkable how AMD started a completely new, fairly sane naming scheme from scratch and screwed it completely up within two generations (Remember 3200G/3400G? Pepperidge Farm remembers).
I remember reading somewhere that this kind of convulated naming convention is intentional (both by Intel and AMD). Consumers prefer to buy the latest and fastest CPU they can afford. Such convulated designations confuse the consumer on what is the latest, and ensure old / previous generation stocks can still be sold for a good price.
They block any connections from HK so I'm not allowed to access the site. The number of sites blocking any connections from certain countries like Hong Kong as increased lately, it's becoming rather frustrating and I can't really see the reasoning behind it.
The number of spam connections emerging from China and Russia are huge. For small firms who might not have the expertise or the budget to host things on CloudFlare, wholesale blocking off IP addresses from the two countries results in almost 100% decrease in spam.
I have a VPS which I maintain for myself to experiment with different services, and I do the same. The number of spam attempt to connect on my ssh port went down from around 10k per day to 1 per week.
In my experience, China and Russia get blocked by many corporations' web application firewalls (WAFs) or other firewalls. You may be caught by that restriction.
It's strange, clicking the "International websites"[0] at the bottom right, they explicitly state that they'd allow calling the Mandarin version Taiwan instead of China, if the translator wanted.
There is a public mail list[1][2] of the webmasters at the bottom of the page as well, if you want to talk them.
Unlike China, we don't have to deal with the great firewall... I do use a few VPNs but that's mostly for testing things from different sites. I've also noticed that VPNs tend to be blocked too.
Is there any high-end Linux laptops with matte displays? Everything seems to be using glossy displays, which after being used to use a matte one, is simply impossible to use, especially when using the laptop outside or in a sunny room.
You can apply a third-party non-reflective screen-protector.
My guess is that the main reason many devices have reflective stock screens is that a reflective screen has higher brightness, while a matte screen is dimmer. I think most will agree that matte is preferable in actual use, but when looking at basic screen benchmarks or when looking at a bunch of screens in a hardware store, buyers are attracted to bright screens.
Using newest XPS 15 and am really happy everything works (you have to run newest Kernel though). I am using Ubuntu. Even the Bluetooth microphone and fingerprint work !! Haha
Macbook displays, although glossy, are generally better compared to other glossy displays with respect to reflections. Do you use your macbook in a particularly bright room/outside?
Writing this from a X1 Gen9, I wouldn't call the following "very good". Not sure if it's already fixed in new firmware (and couldn't google the support forum right away), but I had to
* switch sleep mode to stop it from getting hot while asleep;
* disable touchpad in BIOS to stop it from spinning fans while awake — great for me because I don't like it anyway and vastly prefer the trackpoint, but people not used to this consistently go wtf while trying to show something on my laptop.
My Thinkpad X1 Nano also runs Linux quite well. They come with Windows pre-installed but are certified for Ubuntu. Qubes/Xen also runs pretty well, although Xen doesn't support hibernate (only suspend).
However, the trackpad isn’t centered under the base position.
I’d prefer the center of the screen, case, alphanumeric keys and touchpad to all be along the same vertical line — like literally every laptop I have ever owned.
I may or may not be super knowledgeable on the subject have the KDE Slimbook team considered going full with ARM chips instead of the x86_64 processors?
I keep reading how ARM is more "efficient" and lower power consumption altogether. I also noticed that some Windows-laptop devices are shipping with ARM as well. (Windows on ARM not being new if you have been following Microsoft closely)
Arm is mostly more efficient, but the overall performance is not there apart from Apple silicon. You can get some laptops with qualcomm chips and they're weak - basically an underpowered netbook class. The competition is missing because of a deal between qualcomm and MS for Windows laptops (https://www.theverge.com/2021/11/23/22798231/microsoft-qualc...). So if you want to do something serious, there's very little choice.
Then there's the issue of running Linux on SoC where Qualcomm and others are not super keen on providing open support. M1 is going to get reverse engineered support for all the devices first because they offer hardware people actually want.
Out of curiosity Apple M1 Chips being ARM-based (I own a m1-powered laptop) I... honestly haven't really noticed any slow down while using ffmpeg but granted I don't do encoding/transcoding a whole lot and my usage of editors like Affinity Designer/Photos is pretty basic.
But on that note I feel like a budget laptop for the masses with ARM-chips would be quite the spot for many people include my father. he doesn't need any application just being able to use a browser. ( I guess, a more open, less shady Chromebook-like equivalent).
Well, I guess I just say this because my experience with the m1 chip has been way over the top to the point I haven't really noticed any slow down with docker/vscode/etc etc.
Wasn't NVidia making tablet-scale ARM chips (Tegra) for a while? It seems like they would know how to address this niche, but somehow it hasn't materialized.
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Every time I see one of these laptops (like the recent HP linux laptop, etc), I think they look really interesting except that I wish they had a higher res display - I've not seen any Ryzen laptop with what I'd call a premium display - something high DPI.
There's no limitation for Ryzen itself, it's largely up to the ODM/OEM to decide. For example, Lenovo and Asus have multiple QHD/4K options for Ryzen 5000 and 6000 series (iGPU-only) laptops (just do a search for Yogas, Thinkpads, Zenbook, Vivobook, etc).
Note, certain designs might have display limitations. A couple years ago, for the 1st gen PF5NU1G, Schenker tried to get a 4K OLED panel to run, but failed due to PCON compatibility and then sourcing/logistics issues: https://www.reddit.com/r/XMG_gg/comments/izg598/no_4koled_pa...
How does Linux do with the high refresh rate display? Does it destroy battery life like I imagine?
It's probably a limitation of the company they source the laptops from (Clevo?) :-)
The recently announced Tuxedo Pulse 2 [0] has a 1440p display; and the teased Starlabs Starfighter [1] is expected to come with a 4K display. Both are AMD laptops.
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[0] - https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/Linux-Hardware/Notebooks/...
[1] - https://9to5linux.com/star-labs-teases-the-starfighter-linux...
I know I am very susceptible to "the new shiny" and already have the itch to go for the Gen2 since it really brings some amazing improvements to the table. Mainly more external displays. The rest is nice to have (wouldn't have needed >60Hz panel to be honest). Oh and the Gen1 USB-C charging only works with a subset of all available USB-C chargers. Probably some kind of incompatibility with the IC on the motherboard. [1]
If you're thinking about getting it, I can (at least for Gen1) vouch for it.
To clarify: Tuxedocomputers is a subsidiary(?) of XMG/Schenker. Their "Pulse 15" is equivalent to Schenker's "Via 15 Pro".
[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/XMG_gg/comments/jx3220/validated_us...
I still have minor nitpicks with it, but those pale in comparison with the display port upgrade they did.
Since the AMD SKUs are aimed at a different price-point, they generally don't have higher end display options.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subpixel_rendering
My wife though swears she cannot tell the difference and doesn’t care which she uses. This boggles my mind and is actually a bit frustrating to me, but that’s my problem.
So, I’m interested in if you can tell the difference but don’t care or if it’s something else.
I’ve always used a Mac though, maybe that’s the difference? Never seen Linux/Windows in 4K.
It makes reading a lot easier for me - and vastly decreases how tired I feel after a day of it.
I would never have read a book on the old iPad, I read several in hiDPI. It really changes the way you read if the fonts are (perceptually) as crisp as print.
The battery life on my 4k XPS13 is atrocious and it gets hot enough to burn my thighs.
For the first time I splashed out on a premium 4K monitor 32", and at 600 nits you forget the word glare - there is no glare if the screen is brighter than the sun.
Even expensive laptops can have this problem… I briefly owned a $2k+ ASUS ROG G15 that had an otherwise nice screen (15.6” 2560x1440 144hz IPS satin finish), but had a 300 nit backlight which rendered all that moot except at night.
This is one of those things that Apple nails. The MacBooks I’ve used for work have all had displays bright enough to handle a bright room with ease with very little glare despite being glossy. My Thinkpad X1 Nano also has a matte 500 nit display that’s quite nice.
One thing you might notice is "low res" displays tend to support things like higher refresh rates, might have better color and HDR
I have an ROG Flow X13 2021 with the 1980x1200 display. This "low res" display supports higher refresh rates, variable refresh rate, has good color and HDR support, and works quite well for a 13" laptop.
Also Huawei's MateBook laptop series has been offering AMD CPUs + HDPI screens since years, afaik.
Amazing laptop. I'm never going back to a small screen or a non 3:2 screen
Very hard to source though. Had to have it shipped specially from China
Some years ago, a 3:4 screen was considered "bad" and "unusable" and 16:9 or 16:10 was what you needed to have. Now 16:9 is bad and 3:2 (pretty close to 4:3) is back in business?
Is this just about chasing the latest fad? I mean 16:9 or even 16:10 has so much horizontal space that it's perfect if you do software development for example. Why is it so common now to give that up for more vertical space?
* great res/aspect ratio, but claimed 300 nits, which is good enough for most indoor usage, but not in brighter environments) - that being said, Notebookcheck tested theirs at 350 nits
* RAM is soldered so you're locked into 16GB (M.2 wifi and 2280 SSD can be replaced)
* no USB-A ports
Overall though it's a pretty great laptop, can't wait to see how the Ryzen 6000 version performs (and if it had a 32GB version would be high on my personal shopping list).
NBC review for those interested: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Huawei-MateBook-16-AMD-Review-...
When I came out of laser eye surgery, I ended up with exceptional vision. I'd have to pixel peep to see a difference between those 2 display options. I would have preferred something that met half way in the middle, but this DPI is fine for the display size. Outside of that, I get good color accuracy, good brightness with HDR, and the high refresh rate with adaptive sync makes for a very smooth experience.
Do we not consider features like that also premium?
For some reason, the 2022 edition lineup no longer offers 4K display.
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But I'm not sure there is a difference between 1920 and 2560 for most users at 13-14 inches.
For a 1080p 14" screen, and a person with 20:20 vision, you would need to be closer than 50cm to the screen to be able to discern any visual differences. Hackernews has lots of people who like to claim they can tell the difference, but the science of visual acuity is against them and they never back up these claims with studies or experiments.
Given a blind A/B test at a normal desk viewing distance, I'm doubtful any of these people would be able to pick out the difference between 1080p and 4k on a screen so small.
I use a tablet pc and find it bizarre some vendors sell the m with 1080p displays when it's meant to be used closer to the face at be times. 2-in-1 budget laptops also have the same issue when using 1080p panels
Is it seriously needed is different question. I strongly prefer it but I can live without it.
EndeavourOS (Arch) with KDE/Plasma works great.
Maybe it's also a regional issue.
edit: or the US store? shows me a T14 Gen 2 (AMD) - Up to AMD Ryzen™ 7 Pro 5850U Processor, Up to 14.0" FHD (1920 x 1080) IPS, anti-glare, touchscreen with Privacy Guard
or
T14 Gen2 (Intel) - Up to 11th Gen Intel® Core™ i7-1185G7 with vPro™, Up to 14" UHD (3840 x 2160) IPS, anti-glare with Dolby Vision™
Not that great a deal when Zen3 based notebooks (5400/5600/5800U) have been out for over a year already.
It is baffling to me why AMD chose to have the odd-numbered 5000 series (5300/5500/5700) with Zen2, and the even-numbered 5000 with Zen3.
Oh no, it's actually even worse than that.
5300U/5500U/5700U are Zen 2 (Lucienne, Renoir Refresh).
5300G/5400U/5700G/5700H are Zen 3 (Cezanne).
I find it remarkable how AMD started a completely new, fairly sane naming scheme from scratch and screwed it completely up within two generations (Remember 3200G/3400G? Pepperidge Farm remembers).
I have a VPS which I maintain for myself to experiment with different services, and I do the same. The number of spam attempt to connect on my ssh port went down from around 10k per day to 1 per week.
It's all floods, spam, hacks, bots, malware, with zero market for my clients. All downside, zero upside in accepting any traffic from those places.
There is a public mail list[1][2] of the webmasters at the bottom of the page as well, if you want to talk them.
[0] : https://kde.org/support/international/
[1] : mailto://kde-www@kde.org
[2] : https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-www/
https://starlabs.systems/blogs/news/the-starbook-now-comes-w...
My guess is that the main reason many devices have reflective stock screens is that a reflective screen has higher brightness, while a matte screen is dimmer. I think most will agree that matte is preferable in actual use, but when looking at basic screen benchmarks or when looking at a bunch of screens in a hardware store, buyers are attracted to bright screens.
This is great, I actually had no idea that existed! Very glad I asked the question now.
How well do they work compared to displays that are already matte by default? Is it basically the same thing or would it introduce some imperfections?
https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/workstations-isv-certif...
If you live in The Netherlands: https://www.smartfolie.com/
Writing this from a X1 Gen9, I wouldn't call the following "very good". Not sure if it's already fixed in new firmware (and couldn't google the support forum right away), but I had to
* switch sleep mode to stop it from getting hot while asleep;
* disable touchpad in BIOS to stop it from spinning fans while awake — great for me because I don't like it anyway and vastly prefer the trackpoint, but people not used to this consistently go wtf while trying to show something on my laptop.
Also, this is lower resolution than the display I was using with Linux 20 years ago.
Your hands are not in the center of the keyboard in the base position either.
I'm seriously asking, I have no idea right now what the more ergonomic option would be.
However, the trackpad isn’t centered under the base position.
I’d prefer the center of the screen, case, alphanumeric keys and touchpad to all be along the same vertical line — like literally every laptop I have ever owned.
Does someone know if the RAM is glued in or easily replaceable ?
Wondering when we will finally see a good ARM-Notebook with high memory >=32GB RAM
https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadx/th...
I keep reading how ARM is more "efficient" and lower power consumption altogether. I also noticed that some Windows-laptop devices are shipping with ARM as well. (Windows on ARM not being new if you have been following Microsoft closely)
Then there's the issue of running Linux on SoC where Qualcomm and others are not super keen on providing open support. M1 is going to get reverse engineered support for all the devices first because they offer hardware people actually want.
The new Sanapdragon Thinkpads released a month ago are on par with the Comet Lake i7 CPUs so I'd not write them down that quickly
https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q...
https://browser.geekbench.com/processors/intel-core-i7-10850...
ARM is situated firmly within the efficient end of the efficiency-power Venn, whereas this pushed towards sharing the middle with powerful
But on that note I feel like a budget laptop for the masses with ARM-chips would be quite the spot for many people include my father. he doesn't need any application just being able to use a browser. ( I guess, a more open, less shady Chromebook-like equivalent).
Well, I guess I just say this because my experience with the m1 chip has been way over the top to the point I haven't really noticed any slow down with docker/vscode/etc etc.