There are two ways you can look at this. What I expect is people will mock and call citizens and lawmakers ignorant, and call for some tougher mechanism to make sure people get vaccinated.
The other is that when you push too hard, you get pushback, you catch more flies with honey than vinegar, etc. We are seeing this in other areas too, where pushing too hard on a liberal democratic (for lack of a better term) agenda leads to populist revolt, and effectively swings the pendulum way back past where most agree it reasonably should be. Until recently, it would only have been an extreme fringe group that was against long standing childhood vaccines. But it's not a surprise that when you start pushing people to do something, they start to become more wary and reject things that they previously would have accepted at face value. There is a pathway to authoritarianism where resistant is met by more and harsher rules, and one to a more enlightened society where people are treated like adults and mostly make the right choice.
> and one to a more enlightened society where people are treated like adults and mostly make the right choice.
We tried that. It was not very effective in the most recent experiment [1]. Nor those before [2] [3]. If we allow you adult choices, and you make choices that harm others (not getting vaccinated for whatever illegitimate reason is put forth), you end up having to be coaxed with policy (mandatory vaccinations by schools and employers) because you are not an adult capable of making adult decisions (you don't qualify for welfare in Australia if you don't get your kids vaccinated, for example [4]).
Harm yourself, by all means, that is your choice to make. Harming others (those who cannot get the vaccine for legitimate reasons) because of your ignorance infringes on their rights, and should under no circumstances be tolerated.
[3] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29773050/ (The Importance of Complying with Vaccination Protocols in Developed Countries: "Anti-Vax" Hysteria and the Spread of Severe Preventable Diseases)
[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Jab,_No_Pay (The policies grew out of a grassroots campaign championed by News Limited, in 2013. It was boosted by parent activists representing children who had died of preventable disease, notably the families of Riley Hughes and Dana McCaffery, infants who died of pertussis, leading to a backlash of harassment and trolling from anti-vaccination activists. No Jab No Pay was introduced in 2015, and expanded in July 2018. By July 2016, 148,000 children who had not previously been fully immunised, were meeting the new requirements.)
(my note: get your vaccine already if you haven't)
What exactly is being pushed onerously upon these people that’s making them push back? Mask requirements in a pandemic? Taxes? Cancel culture? Seat belt laws? Gun buying restrictions? Brown neighbors? I’m not sure I follow.
> What exactly is being pushed onerously upon these people that’s making them push back? Mask requirements in a pandemic? Taxes? Cancel culture? Seat belt laws? Gun buying restrictions? Brown neighbors? I’m not sure I follow.”
Something about this post bothers me. It starts off making an attempt to understand the other side but then the tone shifts and non-sequiturs enter. And I think it’s the “I’m not sure I follow”, said like it’s some punchline that seals the deal.
Do we want to explore the situation or do we want upvotes for taking cheap shots at a straw man?
People don’t want the government to say what they can and can’t do to their own bodies. I can see why people want to draw that particular line in the sand. Despite my personal desire that everyone do the moral, patriotic and practical thing and get vaccinated, I also don’t really want big brother super involved into individuals medical decision making. People should have autonomy over their own body, not the state. It doesn’t seem too unreasonable to think that reducing funding or even eliminating specific state managed health programs might be a great way to curtail such government encroachment and incentivize the massive health care system already in place to do its job so the big brother doesn’t have to step in and break everyone’s freedom.
Knowing some of these people and having candid conversations with them, the answers I hear (which I pretty much 100% disagree with) are:
Mask requirements in a pandemic? = attack on personal freedom/liberty
Taxes? = not a problem… trump took care of that.
Cancel culture? = stupid lib tears.
Seat belt laws? = attack on personal freedom/liberty… same as helmet laws for motorcyclists.
Gun buying restrictions? = attack on personal freedom/liberty
Brown neighbors? (actually not a big problem in the south since most neighborhoods are “voluntarily” segregated, but…) = the community will go to hell and property values will decrease.
The reason authoritarianism is so popular is because the Dems have not pushed for significant, FDR-style reforms that would materially improve people's lives. If they actually fought for universal healthcare, guaranteed parental leave, police reform, instead of just having Nancy Pelosi take a knee wearing some African garb while making Madoff-level returns on her insider trading, this level of populism would not turn into fascism.
If you don't believe me, you can find videos of these trump idiots screeching in some town hall about "over regulation" and "tyranny" and "socialism!" but they then say "and keep your hands off my medicare and social security!".
There is another way to look at it. The conservative agenda (for lack of a better term) has been pushed aggressively for 30 years, well beyond the point where most people reasonably expect it should be. The “liberal agenda” is the pushback. The last hangers-on want to push even more harshly on their extremism to rally their diminishing base. The phrase “lost cause” comes to mind.
I spent a while considering whether to submit this and decided to submit because this seems civilizationally significant. Adjacent as this is to current politics (and therefore outrage/indignation), please: let's keep the discussion within the guidelines and befitting this community.
Anyone have a good theory here? Last I heard from Trump he was urging everyone to “take the great American vaccines” (that he, Trump, sped along, he said)
So this isn’t the Republican following the siren song of Trump. They seem to be doing their own thing. And in so doing, making their own job harder because they’ll see more infections.
What is this: a grassroots competition to pander to their base which has lumped vaccines in with other pandemic measured they like?
I have not delved into their narratives so I’m out of the loop and confused on what is driving things. It isn’t Trump that I can tell.
Trump has encouraged a general sentiment of opposition to experts, and he's been kind of lukewarm on promoting the vaccines compared to Democrat leaders.
Unfortunately, the GOP has increasingly embraced conspiratorial thinking, and that includes vaccine skepticism and hesitation.
> Trump has encouraged a general sentiment of opposition to experts
Trump knew since May 2020 that Fauci was lying - he had the DOE LLNL investigate the lab leak theory, and LLNL reported that COVID-19 was possibly from a lab. So yeah, he doesn't believe experts who can't stop lying.
Republicans/Trumpists believe in personal choice, so I wouldn't expect him to be a cheerleader for getting a shot.
> the GOP has increasingly embraced conspiratorial thinking,
After Fauci lying for over a year, 2 failed impeachments, being deplatformed on social media, being told they have no standing to dispute elections, being told CRT doesn't exist - half of the country knows what a Marxist conspiracy feels like first-hand, and they're pissed.
Most of the major stories about Trump since 2019 on CNN, MSNBC and WaPo have been retracted in 2021 (after the election). I suggest you stop reading those sources and spend a couple months reading Fox and NTD - I can't think of anything they're retracted.
Do a Youtube search for "cpac trump full speech 2021" - the only full version is on Sky Australia's channel - for now. All the copies on US channels have been blocked or prevented.
People don't like the government telling them how to live their lives. They especially don't like the government telling them how to parent. And they extra especially don't like the government going behind their backs and telling their kids that their parents don't know how to parent.
The wording is "stop vaccine outreach to kids" not "stop vaccine outreach to parents"
> Anyone have a good theory here? Last I heard from Trump he was urging everyone to “take the great American vaccines” (that he, Trump, sped along, he said).
Over on Gab, TheDonald, and similar places I've seen people reconcile that with their anti-vaccination beliefs in a couple ways:
1. It's part of his long term 4D chess plan to eliminate the Libs and to MAGA. Libs will respond to pro vaccination messages, get the 5G microchip DNA rewriting population control injection being pushed under the guise of a COVID vaccine, and there will be no more Libs next generation. Patriots are smart enough to recognize this for a fake out to eliminate the Libs and avoid the vaccine, or
I think it's more useful to look at propaganda channels that have wide reach, rather than Trump. For example, Tucker Carlson is doing full-on death cult antivax.
The big propaganda channels are google, facebook, reddit, twitter, apple. They severely limited free speech and only promoted the official narrative. By making it harder to find legitimate opposition sources, people have turned to less legitimate ones.
Tucker Carlson is just riding the wave and tell his viewers what they want to hear. Many conservatives abandoned him after his refusal to to publish the Hunter Biden Laptop information.
She said she wouldn’t take any vaccine Trump promoted if independent scientists didn’t also promote it. Her reasoning being Trump had lied so much about COVID at that point, there was no reason to trust anything he said.
In fact she did take one of the vaccines Trump promoted, and she did so publicly, because they were independently verified to work. Interestingly Trump got his shot in private and never revealed that fact.
One theory is that Trump feels like he didn't get enough credit for the vaccines so he and the GOP politicians and media are trying to discredit them entirely. It's not clear that he's directing this but check out any republican news station or politician talking about vaccines in the last month, it's unreal. Republican & far right influencers, some of the widest reaching influencers in any category, are publicly pushing back on vaccines daily now.
Another theory is that vaccines are an increasingly easy topic for victim complex radicalization. People like to think they are smarter than their doctor, there was already a growing grift industry pushing vaccine skepticism, plus it's new. There's probably no easier way to radicalize someone already in your base than to say, "Hey you know how you already didn't trust that new guy in office (and I've been saying he didn't really win for months)? Now he is forcing you get a shot you don't need!"
It's pretty wild to think that there are people today actively encouraging people not to vaccinate against this thing but then again there have been people pushing against basically every vaccine for many years. All of them selling something: books, event tickets, snake oil type "health" products or just pulling in YouTube ad revenue.
Some people will do literally anything to get what they want in life, I guess it's really not different from a president starting a war for personal or shallow political reasons or a destructive industry leader burying a damning report but it's still super surprising to see it in real time as opposed to decades after the fact.
Someone thought this memo, which was a technical legal document distributed to medical providers, was undermining parents choice. A lot of Tennessians agreed, called their state senators, etc, and now this happens.
The argument that it undermines parental authority is stupid, and I won't talk about that. What's more interesting is that this is a very clear cut case of the real-world harm social media can do.
The tide of outrage and ignorance can be powerful and is unchecked by its own absurdity. The emotional appeal to Trumpians who already feel victimized, bitter, and antagonistic to government, especially WRT healthcare, is unmistakable. It doesn't matter if it makes sense logically, or is inconsistent with Trumps own statements. The outrage is the point. The people in power who encourage ride these tidal waves of dangerous ignorance endanger us all in a very real way. Since all forms of self-restraint are now passe, apparently, it's time to consider options for restraining them.
I'm curious, do you still not believe that vaccine injury is real? The FDA and CDC have now repeatedly acknowledged it's existence with the COVID-19 vaccines.
If you do believe that it's real with respect to the COVID-19 vaccines, what is your reasoning for advocating for "restraining" people who are concerned about this issue?
Driving is dangerous but we still teach teenagers to drive. We weigh the risks and the benefits and, despite the risks, do it anyway.
It is a degenerate form of the straw-man fallacy to bring up only the risks. Additionally, this kerfuffle is predicated on the totally false assertion that the state is taking parents out of the decision-making loop.
There is NO substance here. NOTHING.
There. You made me talk about the stupid thing. I hope you're happy.
Anyone else feel like this is quite the devils choice they faced: either they kept recommending vaccinations based on the strong data that it is best for nearly everyone’s health[no citation needed] against fears that this will undermine trust in the agency due to ignoring political pressure, or stop recommending it based on pressure from the public, and thus proving they aren’t trustworthy to make public health recommendations based on scientific data and study.
I feel kinda bad for the whole situation this year. It is just so disheartening both ways.
I miss the good old days when conservatives would argue "Stop painting conservatives as anti-science! Don't you see how many anti-vaxxers are coastal liberals?"
It’s amazing to see how vaccines have become a political football in the last 25 years. It makes me pretty cynical about the long-term prospects of humanity, that so much of the population is vulnerable to self-destructive memes like this. It’s like finding out that all your Bitcoin is on a fleet of unpatched Windows 98 machines that can’t be upgraded.
I think it's the new version of starting a war. Similarly, it's completely unconscionable that someone would start a war and send thousands or millions of their own people to kill other people and/or die for any reason other than to stop some massively worse event from happening, but our presidents do it constantly.
It was only 12 years before my birth that the US stopped forcing 18 year olds to join the military and fight overseas and we've started & joined in plenty of non-necessary wars since then.
Nothing is off limits when unlimited power & financial gain are at stake, I guess.
As someone currently self-employed in Nashville and trying to figure out how to scale up my network of part-time contractors into a real company, my state legislature making decisions like this (and also needlessly harassing trans folks) is incredibly frustrating.
How can I ask people who work for me to live here?
I realize this is rhetorical, but the answer is that the majority of people aren’t single or double issue voters. They may be seeking to live in TN to avoid downsides of other states, making a tradeoff.
And then there are people who are politically diametric to you who are also great employees; these you probably don’t need to sell the idea of residency as much.
Between these two groups, there are enough such people to sustain job markets in every state.
most people, sure. but I'm trans and I don't think I'd like to live in a state that's harassing me. there's legitimate concerns about how livable places are for certain groups based on state policy and community prejudice.
Living in Chattanooga, and watching as TN politics continue to leave me dumbfounded, I've come to believe that no matter where you are in this country, rural is rural and urban is urban. Upstate NY is just like rural TN. Sure, the state government seems to be more liberal, but it has many scandals and the same political sleaze as TN.
In the end, the best thing we can do is to insulate ourselves and our loved ones from government intervention, focus on local politics, and take control of our own consumption i.e. we can't rely on the government to do what's best for our children.
We should use these high paying remote jobs to buy nice homes with lots of space and access to good schools and healthcare. The rest of it will sort of work itself out.
And if we're being honest, climate change will get us before the government here can /shrug
> In the end, the best thing we can do is to insulate ourselves and our loved ones from government intervention, focus on local politics, and take control of our own consumption i.e. we can't rely on the government to do what's best for our children.
We feel that way too! So why don't you leave us alone? (If you hadn't noticed its not 1992 and nobody is trying to teach your kids abstinence-only education anymore.)
I could make the same amount of money anywhere with internet at this point, so there's no obvious place to move in particular. I loved the idea of hitting the West Coast until the smoke of the last few years caused me to reconsider.
As I consider if climate extremes are likely to keep getting worse, upstate New York or Vermont are seeming more and more viable to me.
No matter where you go, those states will still have 2 senators that will affect you. So while I can't dictate what others should do, I would prefer if more people would come and affected the local government instead.
Apologies for off-topic but are you the one who “records as they always do in Nashville, Tennessee”? If so, I want to say thanks so much for your videos - they have been an amazing source of entertainment during my teenage years.
It's easy: don't. I am struggling with the same thing up here in Alberta and it's just impossible to make any headway against an electorate that continues to vote this way. It's not worth your time and it's better to focus on hiring out of state/province or moving.
EDIT: fellow Albertans feel free to email me on my profile (lots of us here!)
Relocating before hiring full-time employees is probably my best move.
I've got a kid, though, so I'm currently trying to assess where we can afford to move that inspires confidence that we can really build something there.
If we have to go, I don't wanna move again before she goes to college in a decade.
I moved me and my company from San Francisco in 2018 and absolutely love it here in Nashville. I suspect we may have clashing world and political views, but that’s not the point. Nashville is an amazing city, opportunity is unlimited, amazing night life, food, culture, and of course music. Southern is way more my style and speed.
> How can I ask people who work for me to live here?
Frankly, there is already enough demand and highly qualified people moving here.
I'm a Yank but my wife and daughter went to Nashville to look at Vanderbilt University - and they loved it, both the University and Nashville. From what I've seen Nashville is beautiful. I've even thought about relocating or longer term retiring to the Nashville area but I have this little voice in my head always saying "but it's the South..." and frankly, stories like this tend to amplify that voice.
P.S. I'm really into music and Nashville's music scene is very appealing, despite the state politics. So I'm definitely conflicted.
I'm confused. Why ask people who work for you to live where you are? Is it actually important or does that opinion just have momentum.
I also live in Tennessee but have been a remote worker for a decade. I deeply disagree with the politics of this place but you know, family's here.
I think they just think they are right, regardless of if their claims are backed by evidence or care / concern for secondary consequences like you are describing.
Flip the seats. If only it were so simple.
P.S. Check out how cringe the Tennessee "quality of life" page reads. Three clicks off of the homepage of TN.gov.
I work in video production and could use an engineer in-studio while I'm broadcasting to deal with tech on the fly. I'm hitting the ceiling on what I can do by myself during a live show.
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The other is that when you push too hard, you get pushback, you catch more flies with honey than vinegar, etc. We are seeing this in other areas too, where pushing too hard on a liberal democratic (for lack of a better term) agenda leads to populist revolt, and effectively swings the pendulum way back past where most agree it reasonably should be. Until recently, it would only have been an extreme fringe group that was against long standing childhood vaccines. But it's not a surprise that when you start pushing people to do something, they start to become more wary and reject things that they previously would have accepted at face value. There is a pathway to authoritarianism where resistant is met by more and harsher rules, and one to a more enlightened society where people are treated like adults and mostly make the right choice.
We tried that. It was not very effective in the most recent experiment [1]. Nor those before [2] [3]. If we allow you adult choices, and you make choices that harm others (not getting vaccinated for whatever illegitimate reason is put forth), you end up having to be coaxed with policy (mandatory vaccinations by schools and employers) because you are not an adult capable of making adult decisions (you don't qualify for welfare in Australia if you don't get your kids vaccinated, for example [4]).
Harm yourself, by all means, that is your choice to make. Harming others (those who cannot get the vaccine for legitimate reasons) because of your ignorance infringes on their rights, and should under no circumstances be tolerated.
[1] https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/why-the-delta-variant-is... (PBS: Why the delta variant is causing an explosion of cases among the unvaccinated)
[2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6657116/ (Anti-Vaccine Decision-Making and Measles Resurgence in the United States)
[3] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29773050/ (The Importance of Complying with Vaccination Protocols in Developed Countries: "Anti-Vax" Hysteria and the Spread of Severe Preventable Diseases)
[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Jab,_No_Pay (The policies grew out of a grassroots campaign championed by News Limited, in 2013. It was boosted by parent activists representing children who had died of preventable disease, notably the families of Riley Hughes and Dana McCaffery, infants who died of pertussis, leading to a backlash of harassment and trolling from anti-vaccination activists. No Jab No Pay was introduced in 2015, and expanded in July 2018. By July 2016, 148,000 children who had not previously been fully immunised, were meeting the new requirements.)
(my note: get your vaccine already if you haven't)
"We tried letting people choose but those rascals didn't choose what we wanted! So instead now we will just force them into making the better choice"
You sort of wonder why at that point a choice was ever provided.
So we can go back to banning adultery and divorce?
Something about this post bothers me. It starts off making an attempt to understand the other side but then the tone shifts and non-sequiturs enter. And I think it’s the “I’m not sure I follow”, said like it’s some punchline that seals the deal.
Do we want to explore the situation or do we want upvotes for taking cheap shots at a straw man?
Mask requirements in a pandemic? = attack on personal freedom/liberty
Taxes? = not a problem… trump took care of that.
Cancel culture? = stupid lib tears.
Seat belt laws? = attack on personal freedom/liberty… same as helmet laws for motorcyclists.
Gun buying restrictions? = attack on personal freedom/liberty
Brown neighbors? (actually not a big problem in the south since most neighborhoods are “voluntarily” segregated, but…) = the community will go to hell and property values will decrease.
Narcissistic [1] tendencies when faced with challenges of fragile egos which shakes their self.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disor...
If you don't believe me, you can find videos of these trump idiots screeching in some town hall about "over regulation" and "tyranny" and "socialism!" but they then say "and keep your hands off my medicare and social security!".
What type of "outreach" programs can be described as being closer to "vinegar" than "honey"?
Not really true...
https://xkcd.com/357/
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So this isn’t the Republican following the siren song of Trump. They seem to be doing their own thing. And in so doing, making their own job harder because they’ll see more infections.
What is this: a grassroots competition to pander to their base which has lumped vaccines in with other pandemic measured they like?
I have not delved into their narratives so I’m out of the loop and confused on what is driving things. It isn’t Trump that I can tell.
Unfortunately, the GOP has increasingly embraced conspiratorial thinking, and that includes vaccine skepticism and hesitation.
Trump knew since May 2020 that Fauci was lying - he had the DOE LLNL investigate the lab leak theory, and LLNL reported that COVID-19 was possibly from a lab. So yeah, he doesn't believe experts who can't stop lying.
https://wjla.com/news/nation-world/exclusive-classified-stud...
> he's been kind of lukewarm on promoting the vaccines compared to Democrat leaders
Trump's Warpspeed (Spring 2020) funded the vaccines. I haven't heard him say any negative things about them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Warp_Speed
Republicans/Trumpists believe in personal choice, so I wouldn't expect him to be a cheerleader for getting a shot.
> the GOP has increasingly embraced conspiratorial thinking,
After Fauci lying for over a year, 2 failed impeachments, being deplatformed on social media, being told they have no standing to dispute elections, being told CRT doesn't exist - half of the country knows what a Marxist conspiracy feels like first-hand, and they're pissed.
Most of the major stories about Trump since 2019 on CNN, MSNBC and WaPo have been retracted in 2021 (after the election). I suggest you stop reading those sources and spend a couple months reading Fox and NTD - I can't think of anything they're retracted.
Do a Youtube search for "cpac trump full speech 2021" - the only full version is on Sky Australia's channel - for now. All the copies on US channels have been blocked or prevented.
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The wording is "stop vaccine outreach to kids" not "stop vaccine outreach to parents"
This really doesn't seem that surprising to me.
Over on Gab, TheDonald, and similar places I've seen people reconcile that with their anti-vaccination beliefs in a couple ways:
1. It's part of his long term 4D chess plan to eliminate the Libs and to MAGA. Libs will respond to pro vaccination messages, get the 5G microchip DNA rewriting population control injection being pushed under the guise of a COVID vaccine, and there will be no more Libs next generation. Patriots are smart enough to recognize this for a fake out to eliminate the Libs and avoid the vaccine, or
2. The Jews got to him.
What’s driving Carlson’s incentives?
Tucker Carlson is just riding the wave and tell his viewers what they want to hear. Many conservatives abandoned him after his refusal to to publish the Hunter Biden Laptop information.
In fact she did take one of the vaccines Trump promoted, and she did so publicly, because they were independently verified to work. Interestingly Trump got his shot in private and never revealed that fact.
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Another theory is that vaccines are an increasingly easy topic for victim complex radicalization. People like to think they are smarter than their doctor, there was already a growing grift industry pushing vaccine skepticism, plus it's new. There's probably no easier way to radicalize someone already in your base than to say, "Hey you know how you already didn't trust that new guy in office (and I've been saying he didn't really win for months)? Now he is forcing you get a shot you don't need!"
It's pretty wild to think that there are people today actively encouraging people not to vaccinate against this thing but then again there have been people pushing against basically every vaccine for many years. All of them selling something: books, event tickets, snake oil type "health" products or just pulling in YouTube ad revenue.
Some people will do literally anything to get what they want in life, I guess it's really not different from a president starting a war for personal or shallow political reasons or a destructive industry leader burying a damning report but it's still super surprising to see it in real time as opposed to decades after the fact.
Someone thought this memo, which was a technical legal document distributed to medical providers, was undermining parents choice. A lot of Tennessians agreed, called their state senators, etc, and now this happens.
The argument that it undermines parental authority is stupid, and I won't talk about that. What's more interesting is that this is a very clear cut case of the real-world harm social media can do.
The tide of outrage and ignorance can be powerful and is unchecked by its own absurdity. The emotional appeal to Trumpians who already feel victimized, bitter, and antagonistic to government, especially WRT healthcare, is unmistakable. It doesn't matter if it makes sense logically, or is inconsistent with Trumps own statements. The outrage is the point. The people in power who encourage ride these tidal waves of dangerous ignorance endanger us all in a very real way. Since all forms of self-restraint are now passe, apparently, it's time to consider options for restraining them.
If you do believe that it's real with respect to the COVID-19 vaccines, what is your reasoning for advocating for "restraining" people who are concerned about this issue?
It is a degenerate form of the straw-man fallacy to bring up only the risks. Additionally, this kerfuffle is predicated on the totally false assertion that the state is taking parents out of the decision-making loop.
There is NO substance here. NOTHING.
There. You made me talk about the stupid thing. I hope you're happy.
I feel kinda bad for the whole situation this year. It is just so disheartening both ways.
It was only 12 years before my birth that the US stopped forcing 18 year olds to join the military and fight overseas and we've started & joined in plenty of non-necessary wars since then.
Nothing is off limits when unlimited power & financial gain are at stake, I guess.
How can I ask people who work for me to live here?
And then there are people who are politically diametric to you who are also great employees; these you probably don’t need to sell the idea of residency as much.
Between these two groups, there are enough such people to sustain job markets in every state.
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In the end, the best thing we can do is to insulate ourselves and our loved ones from government intervention, focus on local politics, and take control of our own consumption i.e. we can't rely on the government to do what's best for our children.
We should use these high paying remote jobs to buy nice homes with lots of space and access to good schools and healthcare. The rest of it will sort of work itself out.
And if we're being honest, climate change will get us before the government here can /shrug
Not in Hawaii. We have a weird blend of Democrat in name and somewhat Conservative and Liberal function almost everywhere in the state.
We feel that way too! So why don't you leave us alone? (If you hadn't noticed its not 1992 and nobody is trying to teach your kids abstinence-only education anymore.)
The future is FEMA
I dunno what to tell you. After touring almost all of our great states, the only constant seems to be that you get what your neighbors vote for.
As I consider if climate extremes are likely to keep getting worse, upstate New York or Vermont are seeming more and more viable to me.
Says who? The median American lives 18 miles away from their mom.
EDIT: fellow Albertans feel free to email me on my profile (lots of us here!)
I've got a kid, though, so I'm currently trying to assess where we can afford to move that inspires confidence that we can really build something there. If we have to go, I don't wanna move again before she goes to college in a decade.
https://338canada.com/alberta/polls.htm
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Alternately, ensure they have sufficient pay and benefits to ignore the GOP restrictions and then hope they help vote them out.
> How can I ask people who work for me to live here?
Frankly, there is already enough demand and highly qualified people moving here.
P.S. I'm really into music and Nashville's music scene is very appealing, despite the state politics. So I'm definitely conflicted.
I also live in Tennessee but have been a remote worker for a decade. I deeply disagree with the politics of this place but you know, family's here.
I think they just think they are right, regardless of if their claims are backed by evidence or care / concern for secondary consequences like you are describing.
Flip the seats. If only it were so simple.
P.S. Check out how cringe the Tennessee "quality of life" page reads. Three clicks off of the homepage of TN.gov.
TLDR: Tennessee, "we keep it cheap"
https://tnecd.com/advantages/quality-of-life/