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raister · 5 years ago
I like the Brazilian 'solution' for this: simply add a new star into the constellation and call it a day! ;) PS: for those who don't know, the flag depicts the sky of Rio de Janeiro on Nov 15th, 1889, day of the proclamation of the Republic.

We tried other options, as well as a very similar flag as to the US, check it out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Brazil

mstade · 5 years ago
The current Brazilian flag is unique and beautiful, easily one of my favorites. I'm glad they didn't choose the stars and stripes variant!
qsort · 5 years ago
The EU solution is also pretty interesting:

    #define STARS 12
:D

Bakary · 5 years ago
Speaking of Brazilian flags, I really like São Paulo's one.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/Ba...

jurip · 5 years ago
The 52-star version looks slightly more balanced than the 51-star one. Probably best make DC a state too while you're at it.
birdyrooster · 5 years ago
We should wait for 53-star, instead. I really like how it has stars in all four corners like the one we have now. (kidding!)
sokoloff · 5 years ago
It's also prime and therefore "indivisible"
geofft · 5 years ago
DC statehood passed the House last year, though nobody expected it to pass a Republican-controlled Senate. I think especially now that we've seen confusion about the chain of command of the DC National Guard, I'd bet that DC gets statehood before Puerto Rico.

(The bill proposes that a small federal district - basically just the contiguous territory of the White House, Congress, Supreme Court, and other federal buildings - be carved out of DC and become the actual capital, and the remainder of DC become a new state.)

jcfields · 5 years ago
If we're separating the federal district, why not just give the rest of it back to Maryland the same way the area on the other side of the Potomac was given back to Virginia?

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pm90 · 5 years ago
Yeah, and I wonder if enough Republicans could be persuaded to get a filibuster proof majority.

In any case I do believe the filibuster should be eliminated if Republicans obstruct just for the sake of obstruction.

spoonjim · 5 years ago
The Democrats should turn every major city into states of 1 million people each (bigger than the lowest-population rural states) to balance the Senate between urban and rural interests.
eli · 5 years ago
I get what you're saying but this conflates two issues: people who live in PR and DC have zero voting representation in Congress. Let's fix that and then separately address the problems of the whole system.
throwaway0a5e · 5 years ago
Also keeps the urban and rural types from pissing each other off by passing laws at the state level. It's a win all around but politicians love power so of course no group of them will entertain the idea of carving up states and reducing their power.
AtlasBarfed · 5 years ago
I tried to research how this could happen: a city "seceding" from it's state.

I didn't really find anything.

I think it would introduce a fascinating effect: since cities are the financial lifeblood of states, the suburbs on the border would flock to be in that budget, rather than the rapidly diminishing one.

Kansas City is the #1 city I can think of that should secede though. It's population is doubly diluted by two states.

seibelj · 5 years ago
Is there not any wisdom to giving rural areas a counterweight to heavily populated urban areas?
mijkal · 5 years ago
I've always thought if/when new states are added, the future US flag could pay homage to the original by forming the stars in a circular pattern.

Eg: https://www.flaginstitute.org/wp/2015/01/flag-week-usa-51-st...

frob · 5 years ago
When I coached a programming team, I once had them algorithmically solve this problem for a N-star flag. The constraints were to find all possible combinations where the rows alternated in length by 1. It ended up being a great teaching experience because it was really easy for the students to visualize it and play around with the problem on the whiteboard. It's also a really easy problem to solve without code so the students can easily verify their code and gain confidence.
hartror · 5 years ago
A nice way of teaching the P = NP problem.
ardy42 · 5 years ago
Or we could go with the birthday cake solution: just slap a big "51" on it (maybe traced out with 51 stars), and call it a day.

There's some precedent for something like that:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bennington_flag

jedimastert · 5 years ago
Somewhere Roman Mars just got a cold flash and has no idea why...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnv5iKB2hl4

SpikeDad · 5 years ago
More likely 52 however with DC and Puerto Rico. Nice article - I like the arrangement. I would assume no one would be interested in a less traditional arrangement much like no one is interested in more colorful currency.
smt88 · 5 years ago
Neither state is likely. They require 60 votes, which is impossible now and will become even more difficult as the disproportionately conservative Senate becomes even less representative of the US over time (due to urbanization).

The constitutionality of DC statehood is also very controversial, so SCOTUS could probably kill it without having to stretch their logic much.

ivalm · 5 years ago
Only simple majority is needed for admission, not 60 [0]. Admitting DC as state would also only require simple majority since constitution does not explicitly mention DC only “federal district.” DC was made a federal district by an act of Congress and a simple majority can reverse that [1]

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admission_to_the_Union

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statehood_movement_in_the_Di...

a_humean · 5 years ago
Its only 60 votes if senators insist on pretending its 60 votes. Its 50+1 votes if senators actually want to do something.
OscarCunningham · 5 years ago
My idea would be to optimise the spacing of the stars by using circle packing algorithms. Find the largest radius for which you can fit 51 circles in the rectangle, and then center the stars in the circles. That guarantees that the stars are well spaced.
pietor · 5 years ago
Packing doesn’t necessarily make nice symmetrical things. I don’t have an image for n=51 but this [1] is for 55. Interestingly for square numbers from 49 on, the best packing is not the obvious square lattice either [2]

[1]: https://www.ime.usp.br/~egbirgin/packing/packing_by_nlp/nume...

[2]: https://www.ime.usp.br/~egbirgin/packing/packing_by_nlp/nume...