It is just staggering to believe that they tried to hide the real cause of death amidst all this protesting. Like they genuinely thought they could get away with just sweeping it under the rug.
As a frequent reader of thedonald.win, for some people, yes... yes, it was.
I honestly don't know how you could mentally wiggle yourself into thinking that 8:45 seconds of someone being on your neck could have an alternative cause of death. Hell, but let's say it was something else. Let's say it was actually a heart attack that ultimately did him in. Does that matter? Surely, we can point towards the stress of having someone on your neck for almost 10min as a contributor...?
I'm puzzled by this though, isn't the knee on the neck thing a standard technique used by cops all the time? Apparently people don't usually die from it or this would happen all the time, right? Was the cop somehow doing it wrong?
No one on thedonal.win thought Floyd wasn't asphyxiated by Chauvin and Trump supporters are as appalled and enraged as anyone else with Chauvin's murder of Floyd.
Even right wing sites like PJ Media railed that it took 3 days to arrest Chauvin.
> The medical examiner said Floyd had underlying health conditions, including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease.
> “The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death,” the medical examiner reported.
How are they even allowed to say "any potential intoxicants" when they haven't tested for intoxicants? Did they do a test? That seems like a very powerful and prone-to-misuse political tool.
the cop's autopsy blamed underlying health conditions, unsurprisingly. They'll protect their own at all costs and lie to us in broad daylight. Abolish the police.
I'm sorry if it's a stupid question, but I'm not American and not a native English speaker. What do you mean when you say "Abolish the police"? You think there shouldn't be police at all? Or that it needs a reform? Do you disagree with the idea of having laws? I'm genuinely asking because I'm seeing this phrase more and more now and I'm not sure what people actually mean when they say that.
The issue is injustice. What alternative to the police is there? Anarchy? Is that going to result in justice? Abolishing the police is not going to fix the issue.
Do you mean all police (detectives, parking enforcement, arson investigators, etc.?) or select divisions within the police? If all police, what do you suggest is it replaced with? A federal police force?
Those particular ones? Sure. In general? That’s laughable. I’ve lived in places like that. The crime rate is sky high. Hell, the city I was born in was once the murder capital of the world.
Only people I’ve ever seen say things like this are people who have never seen what they’re talking about.
In the GDR (East Germany) during Stalin's period running the Communist bloc, prior to about 1953 they used to execute dissidents using a guillotine in the Stasi basement. The death certificates stated the cause of death as "low blood pressure".
They knew it was wrong, they didn't want to leave any documentary evidence: this is the same bullshit, just closer to home.
There are people (i.e A Sheriff's deputy) claiming [0] you can't choke someone to death with a knee to the neck. I'm not sure if the goal is claim Floyd didn't die, died of something else or they're just trying to spread disinformation
You can be pretty sure that the defence will belabour the point endlessly. There was mention of “possible intoxicants” or something like that in the coroner’s report.
I’m not American so... mine is just an imperfect and remote opinion. Maybe I don’t understand all the nuances and the implications.
Not really, but the "county medical examiner" didn't come to the same conclusion. IIRC they essentially blamed pre-existing conditions for causing his expiration right at the exact moment a cop was crushing his neck between a knee and the pavement.
Yes, there was a report by the authorities claiming that there were no signs of asphyxiation and that it was linked to a heart condition or drugs (unspecified drugs, to make the racism obvious).
Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.
Also, I suspect the non-US HN users are slowly getting fed up with this one topic capturing a large part of the online conversation.
Can someone comment on what the official police report said and how it differs from the private report? If you can provide references that will help too. My search abilities failed me to get a succinct answer.
There are several comments here that explains the difference. Summarized, previous autopsy blamed pre-existing heart condition for the death. While this new independent autopsy determined it to be asphyxiation.
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Depending on people's willingness to be blind, the rug is HUGE.
I honestly don't know how you could mentally wiggle yourself into thinking that 8:45 seconds of someone being on your neck could have an alternative cause of death. Hell, but let's say it was something else. Let's say it was actually a heart attack that ultimately did him in. Does that matter? Surely, we can point towards the stress of having someone on your neck for almost 10min as a contributor...?
Honestly, I'm baffled by the mental gymnastics.
Even right wing sites like PJ Media railed that it took 3 days to arrest Chauvin.
To me it's a better formatted version of 4chan. its a collection of trolls all circle jerking.
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> The medical examiner said Floyd had underlying health conditions, including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease.
> “The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death,” the medical examiner reported.
Ok, I'll entertain the thought, what do you propose to replace it? Free for all deathmatch?
Or, perhaps, remove qualified immunity.
Only people I’ve ever seen say things like this are people who have never seen what they’re talking about.
They knew it was wrong, they didn't want to leave any documentary evidence: this is the same bullshit, just closer to home.
https://www.magnoliastatelive.com/2020/05/29/mississippi-she...
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> The findings differ from an official preliminary autopsy carried out by the county medical examiner.
I’m not American so... mine is just an imperfect and remote opinion. Maybe I don’t understand all the nuances and the implications.
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It's obvious if you watch the video: "his own body killed him"
even though this man tragically got murdered in front of a camera.
Still, i think it is very important that autopsy happens regardless of its obviousness.
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Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.
Also, I suspect the non-US HN users are slowly getting fed up with this one topic capturing a large part of the online conversation.
Hmmm no I can't imagine that, could you describe your view more? Why would they be fed up, in your view?