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jack6e · 8 years ago
Even though the overall tone of this review was upbeat and positive, it seemed that the baseline conclusion was: "hopefully we find a use for the minor iterative improvements that will make this more than just the next release in a series of underwhelming releases." For one of the first, selectively-chosen reviews of what is supposed to be a ground-breaking product, the article essentially told us 1) the pictures look better; 2) Apple finally imitated Samsung's Infinity Display; 3) my fingers learned new motions that were useless with other Apple products; 4) FaceID became familiar and even worked sometimes; 5) I could put my face on a pile of poo, which required some cool technology.

Not that those features or the article suggest the iPhone X is a bad product, or bug-ridden, non-usable, or anything else. But how in the world are people--is Apple--still not embarrassed pretending that this is a revolutionary device? Even if FaceID is intensely innovative and unparalleled new technology - that is just the feature that people use to get to the features they actually want to use. No one is going to buy a phone to play around with the unlocking mechanism, they buy it for what that phone can do for them once it's unlocked. Hyping on FaceID is like saying, "We are revolutionizing mobile computing by entirely overhauling the millisecond process by which you gain access to a slightly improved version of the product you already have."

jpalomaki · 8 years ago
There's no room for revolution in smartphone space anymore. The market is too competitive and everybody is tracking it too closely. Revolution can take place in overlooked product categories (think tablets when iPad was introduced - I'd claim that was true revolution since it took significant time for the competitors to really catch up with Apple).

On one hand this is pretty sad. There's no wow factor, no truly exciting product releases. On the other hand the frequent releases mean that you can upgrade whenever and you always get pretty much latest available technology thanks to the yearly incremental updates vendors are releasing.

I'm getting suspicious if anything revolutionary can happen in the consumer electronics space. Companies are too eager to release early instead of keeping the stuff under wraps until it is amazing. Take wearable augmented reality devices as an example. We saw Google Glass years ago and then Microsoft Hololens. Now if somebody actually delivers a reasonably good mass market device in 2019 it hardly feels revolutionary after these prototypes. Same thing with VR headsets and smart watches.

maxxxxx · 8 years ago
Have there ever been any truly revolutionary products on the market that came out of nowhere? Before the iPad there were quite a few attempts at tablets (e.g. Apple Newton) that tested out certain features and got market feedback. The main thing Apple did was to learn from other failures and create an appealing package.

I bet at some point someone will learn from all the attempts at wearable devices and develop something users actually will like. Or maybe we will decide that something like Google Glass simply doesn't work and move on to something else.

rz2k · 8 years ago
The next revolution could be in software that is only possible with the power available in the iPhone X, that will be mainstream for other phones in a couple years.

I had an app called Vindigo on a Handspring Visor and later a Kyocera 6035 in the early 2000s that gave the location and mapped pretty much every restaurant, bar, and museum in New York long before maps were an obvious part of your phone.

I think the possibilities of AR are amazing, even though I don't think whatever the killer will be has been released yet.

stcredzero · 8 years ago
There's no room for revolution in smartphone space anymore. The market is too competitive and everybody is tracking it too closely. Revolution can take place in overlooked product categories

What about in overlooked user interface technologies? I think FaceID would be great for unlocking the a MacBook laptop. Also, the face that Apple can now get ahold of those sensors for cheap and at scale probably opens up the opportunity for user interface innovation. People like to use touch for certain operations on current laptops with a touch screen, but some of those might be better done with a gesture away from the screen the doesn't cover up the view of the screen. (Or require the user to lift their hands up from the palm rest to avoid gorilla arm.)

Tablets existed before multitouch and the first iPad. It was a thinner form factor enabled by better battery and more frugal processors combined with multitouch which made the iPad what it is.

ASalazarMX · 8 years ago
I don't think so. The iPhone was revolutionary because suddenly you had a lot of sensors and the power to use them in creative ways. There are still sensors that could be added to devices of this price range that, coupled with new apps, would make them cool again: infrared vision, range finder, molecular scanner, etc.

Imagine pointing your camera to find an A/C leak inside the wall, or scanning fruit for their ripeness, or measuring furniture at the store to see if it fits in your house/door. Hell, it could even alert you if you have bad breath.

hbosch · 8 years ago
The yearly upgrade cycle has truly made cynics of us all. Those of us who will go from a iPhone 6 to an iPhone X will be amazed. Those of us who take every iteration every year will be annoyed.
dntrkv · 8 years ago
What was so revolutionary about the original iPhone? I don't think anyone could point at any single feature throughout the whole smartphone revolution and claim it was "revolutionary." It was always a combination of features and design decisions that made the phones so easy and pleasant to use. There were many phones before the iPhone that were way more capable, yet nobody talked about them.

Siri, TouchID, FaceID, capacitive touch screen, great cameras, app store, full fledged browser, LTE, etc...

Any of these features by themselves aren't "revolutionary" until you combine it all into a cohesive experience where you look at your phone to unlock it, take a photo that until very recently could only be produced by a DSLR, upload it nearly instantly to a social network within 5 taps, and then receive real time notifications when other people comment on it, all on a device you can hold in one hand.

Sure, you could say this is more evolutionary than revolutionary, but again, I don't believe there was this time where it was revolutionary to the extent you claim. It's always been a slow iterative process.

ggg9990 · 8 years ago
I've always upgraded my iPhone only for the camera and I've never regretted that. There are so many photos I have from a long time ago that I wish were higher quality, so I'm always willing to spend $ to make sure that today's photos are as good as they can be. 90% of the time I don't have my proper camera with me, so the phone is what it is.

Tangentially, after seeing some NFL replay highlights this weekend, I really wish HD high-frame rate cameras had been invented when Barry Sanders (perhaps the most electrifying football player of all time) played.

jochung · 8 years ago
It's as simple as it is overlooked: by building off of OSX, Apple delivered a phone that could actually work with all the files and protocols that people used on desktop. PDF, HTML, MP3/AAC, MP4/H264, ... Not to mention frameworks and APIs that were battle hardened.

It took competitors years to catch up, everyone's forgotten how much of a joke Android was until v4, and how Black Berry only caught up just as they were about to die. Things like low latency audio, large image support, GL, crypto, battery life, ...

ASalazarMX · 8 years ago
Before the iPhone, the best smartphones were Symbian or Blackberries. The iPhone was ridiculously better in every aspect.

The market was ripe as people realized they wanted to trade battery life for more powerful devices, after the success of the iPod and the iPaq (not a typo, the PDAs from Compaq/HP).

It was a revolution then, and it happened so fast Nokia and RIM were left in the dust.

irrational · 8 years ago
The original iPhone? You know, it's been so long I can't really remember. What I do remember is before the iPhone my boss had been trying to get me to get a mobile phone (on the company dime), but I wasn't interested. Then the iPhone was announced. I don't remember what the competition was at that time (probably Blackberry, I don't recall hearing about Android until sometime after the original iPhone came out), but I do recall being excited by a phone for the first time. Mainly it was that it came across as not just a phone, but an actual pocket computer. I did end up letting the company buy me one, and I did feel like it lived up to the hype. For the first time a browser actually worked, and worked well, on a mobile device (the first time I tried zooming in and out on a web page - this was in the days before mobile/responsive websites - blew my mind). Apps started coming out that were actually useful. Google maps actually worked the way I would expect it to work. And so on. I still feel like there was nothing else like it at the time (I'd looked around at other phones at the time, but was very underwhelmed - they mainly seemed to target business/sales/manager type people).
rhino369 · 8 years ago
iPhone was revolutionary because it went full touch screen and went full browser.

The phone as a mini-tablet changed smartphones significantly.

jack6e · 8 years ago
I am not saying the phone is revolutionary, I am saying that Apple and some supporters/reviewers call it revolutionary. See Apple's own page for the X[1]. The use the slogan, "Say hello to the future", and for the FaceID section, literally call it "A revolution in recognition" (emphasis mine). The point that I was drawing out from the review was that all the hoped-for fulfillment of Apple's marketing seems to rely on 3rd-party developers making this new hardware useful, but Apple itself has not really delivered to the hype. It is as if the English colonists in America had written the Declaration and then the Constitution and said, "Hopefully in the future some nations out there will know what to do with democracy and can make it successful, but we'll stick with being slightly more-autonomous subjects of King George for now." Some "revolution" that would have been.

[1] https://www.apple.com/iphone-x/

samfisher83 · 8 years ago
It had multi-touch. Pinch to zoom was pretty awesome the first time I tried it. When you compared the original iphone to Win-Mobile it was night and day. You didn't need a stylus. It was pretty fluid. Its web browser was a full browser. The whole feel was pretty revolutionary compared to the windows ce.
conception · 8 years ago
The X is Apple playing catch up feature wise, but they seem to be catching up the way they always do; being a leader in the pack. Fastest phone by far, arguably the best camera (really comes down to preference vs Pixel), but what I'm excited about is for stuff I've dreamed of from Apple - OLED (dark themes matter now!), thicker phone for more battery life and Plus features without the ShoePhone size from a company that is actively trying to protect my privacy.

If they complete the whole package and make it all work great, then like the iPod, it doesn't need to be first to market to be revolutionary. Just be better than all the other implementations and UX thus far. Though iOS 11 doesn't seem like that's all coming together super great but their pros still seem to outweigh all their competitors cons for what I want from a device. And of course, marketing is marketing.

themihai · 8 years ago
Apparently the OLED display is a 1st generation(older) OLED from Samsung...It really felt to me they made a big deal just like they did with 4K on Apple TV.... same technology like the competition, one year later. The camera on Samsung seems to be better too. The only thing that keeps me on Apple ecosystem is iOS and MacOS...
ggg9990 · 8 years ago
FaceID is extremely uninteresting but the hardware used for it could be game-changing. A depth camera on 100m devices in the world is pretty novel. I can imagine pretty cool gaming and communications apps that project a user's face into the virtual world, and held backwards you could use the depth camera to scan a room.
mratzloff · 8 years ago
I keep my entire music collection on my phone, and my 128 GB 6S is tapped out (almost entirely music). That requires me to do some storage juggling every time I want to update. So I'll probably buy one for the bump to 256 GB alone. Double the storage should last me for quite awhile.

The other features are largely irrelevant (except perhaps the inductive charging), but I'll get the X instead of the 8 because it will be 3-4 years before I update again.

For what it's worth, the 6S's 128 GB and bump to 2 GB RAM (making Safari usable again on JavaScript-clogged sites) were what motivated me to buy that one. The X, incidentally, bumps that again to 3 GB. The 8 remains at 2.

craftyguy · 8 years ago
Apple could literally release a phone with zero changes to it over the previous "generation" and billions would still want it.
tobystore · 8 years ago
>Apple could literally release a phone with zero changes to it over the previous "generation" and billions would still want it.

Yes, but not because of the mindless sheep angle you seem to want it to be. Lots of people are comfortable using iPhones and like how they work. They don't want to to switch to something else. The End.

waterflame · 8 years ago
While I love the phone and find it a big improvement over all current market phones (not that innovative though), I wonder how many people will die trying to unlock their phones while driving.

And they will unlock it while driving.

madeofpalk · 8 years ago
I would say similar to the amount now, and less than passcode-based unlock

Using your phone while driving is reckless, regardless of the authentication mechanism.

waterflame · 8 years ago
"Using your phone while driving is reckless, regardless of the authentication mechanism." -- true. Nevertheless, Numbers show that people do use their phones while driving.

"I would say similar to the amount now, and less than passcode-based unlock" -- For now this is just a claim. This is why I'm wondering... Yet, imagine needing to place your phone in front of your face, instead of just using your finger.

danvasquez29 · 8 years ago
I use apple carplay and it still asks me to unlock my device sometimes. With touchId I can do this without taking my eyes off the road.
Shivetya · 8 years ago
however the touch id does not require you to look at your phone to unlock and unconsciously people will look at an X to unlock it even though it only needs to see you, not the reverse.

neither is a good idea but Apple recently pushed out lockouts for Do not disturb while driving. I have not tried this feature and it defaults to off. So how well it works, well it won't stop me from using the phone as it appears to be not allowing the phone to interrupt me.

woobar · 8 years ago
I am not sure why it is different from any other phone. Yes, unlocking the phone with fingerprint does not require taking your eyes off the road. But aren't your going to look at the screen of the unlocked phone anyway?
robotresearcher · 8 years ago
Not to use Siri.

Not to unlock for my kids in the back to play music.

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dean · 8 years ago
I keep reading about how the "notch" is ugly and annoying, but "you get used to it". Like sitting behind someone with a big hat in the movie theatre, after awhile, you don't even notice. Personally, I change seats in that scenario.

I just find it hard square claims of "the future of the smartphone" with reviews like "you get used to it".

dilap · 8 years ago
I don't have the iPhone X yet, but I'm actually kind of excited about the notch and the round corners for a (perhaps) silly reason: it brings us deeper into the sci-fi age where screens are organic objects with shape, rather than just hard, rectangular squares. It feels more exciting, more human, somehow.

(Also, all the various status bars will now finally have the same height; basically no software properly responds to the double-height status bar when something special is going on.)

AndrewOMartin · 8 years ago
"organic objects with shape, rather than just hard, rectangular squares"

"all the various status bars will now finally have the same height"

Pick one.

CharlesW · 8 years ago
> I keep reading about how the "notch" is ugly and annoying…

If you think of it as a "notch", sure. Another way to think of it is that the screen has a little extra space in the form of "ears", used for instruments (time, signal strength) that would otherwise eat screen space used by apps.

earenndil · 8 years ago
This is why I think that screen space shouldn't be useable. It should be reserved by the OS to show the status, have a black background (which would work really well with the OLED), and from an app's perspective the screen is just a rectangle.
pwython · 8 years ago
Then again... maybe you do get used to it?

Like how our parents got "used to" prior technology's "annoyances"?

I'm not saying this is a "get off my lawn" annoyance, but... I'm curious to see how phones evolve after this notch.

ProAm · 8 years ago
Everyone got used to OSK's but I'd still prefer a physical keyboard.
untog · 8 years ago
I think the point the OP is making is: what is the advantage to "getting used" to it? It's not immediately clear what this oddly shaped screen provides in terms of functionality.
bsaul · 8 years ago
"the most anticipated product in years"... stopped reading there. Anticipated product in years ? Really ?? not even "most anticipated Apple product in years " ? For a phone with a missing button and a face recognition feature nobody cares about ??

I am an iOS developer, and i generally love apple product, but frankly it's time everyone, including hard-core apple fans, agree that apple has been under-delivering those last 3 years.

If i had to say "anticipated" about something, i'd say the watch 3 is far more interesting and opens more application use.

baby · 8 years ago
Considering the iPhone 6S is the best phone I ever had, I can see how you might feel like they're under delivering. But maybe it's just because we've reached a point where phones are so good that we don't notice updates that much. On the other hand, what would really be a revolution in the mobile landscape would be to have long-lasting batteries. Recharging a phone every day is still a huge pain.
ashark · 8 years ago
Reactions to the last Apple event at my generally Apple-loving and Apple-hardware-heavy place of employment:

Apple Watch 3 — Holy crap that's amazing, I may get rid of my phone for this and just buy a nice stand-alone camera! Oh, you still need a phone. So much for that.

iPhone 8 — Meh. Not as big a jump as the 7. Looks... fine.

iPhone X, after the ultra-hype leading up the announcement — The hugely revolutionary, world-changing thing is a second, slightly better phone? Am I accidentally watching a parody?

iPhone X was especially a let-down after the almost-awesome but then totally-not Watch 3 thing—which was (the Watch 3, that is) still the most interesting thing they announced, despite being like 20% as interesting as it initially appeared to be.

dep_b · 8 years ago
I agree on the Watch 3. Leaving my phone at home feels like the future is here. The shared SIM solution is very elegant but requires carriers to cooperate. But once established many IoT manufacturers can enjoy it.
twoodfin · 8 years ago
Interesting PR strategy by Apple, considering the general review embargo hasn’t been lifted yet (I’m assuming more than a few of the usual suspects got review units...this past Friday, maybe?)

This is certainly the way Apple would like the X to be perceived, and Levy makes sense as someone likely to be on their wavelength.

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Slaul · 8 years ago
I am excited for this phone (as a lifelong Android user) because of the large screen in the small form factor. I really appreciate high resolution screens but I'm tired of needing ginormous phones to get it.

This device seems to have a great screen in the perfect form factor for me.

I'm waiting to see some reviews before purchasing but the iPhone X is probably going to be my next phone.

Sidenote, anybody have any tips on migrating from android to iOS?

beezle · 8 years ago
I agree it would be nice to have a 5" height smartphone with 85 to 90% screen coverage. Doesn't look to happen. And iphone X is really no different size wise to its current/recent competition.

The S8 is slightly taller (5mm) and slightly narrower (3mm) with a very slightly larger screen at higher dpi. The V30 screen is 10% larger, higher dpi but at cost of additional 8mm height and 5mm width. For comparision, the diameter of a dime is 18mm. (data from GSMArena)

Think its a reach to say iPhone X competitors are some how 'ginormous' in comparison. Sounds like an iPhone 7/8 is more the physical size you are looking for if wanting to leave the Android world.

Slaul · 8 years ago
I was mistaken about the competitors, I didn't realize how close in size the V30 and S8 were. I was comparing with my current phone, the nexus 6P. I was mostly looking at the "+" phones for the higher resolution displays. I was probably foolish not to look more closely at the other competitors.
simonsez · 8 years ago
The galaxy s8 and LG V30 also have large screens in relatively small form factors - are those too big for you?
Slaul · 8 years ago
For whatever reason I was under the impression that those phones were larger than they are. Thanks for pointing those out to me!

I'm still probably going to switch to Apple because I've been working towards being more privacy conscious in the last several months and Apple's stance on privacy and encryption is appealing.

mercurysmessage · 8 years ago
Yea I was just about to mention that as well. I never liked touchwiz but I just got the s8 and it's a nice phone. Maybe I just don't like the default icons and design? I'm not sure, but I customized it to look more like regular Android.
waytogo · 8 years ago
Slightly OT: I am most impressed by Apple‘s bold move to drop the iPhone‘s decade old, iconic symmetric design while establishing a new iconic asymmetric design almost over night.

As odd as the new design feels, Apple already owns this design, this buckle, this asymmetry.

Edit: Why the downvotes (just wondering)?

aetherson · 8 years ago
I downvoted you because I thought your comment was without content. What does it mean, to own the design? What alternate world would cause you to feel differently about the design?
mattnewton · 8 years ago
Not gp, but it means to me that when someone looks at the layout they unmistakably know it is an iPhone X, in the way the phone’s top and bottom bars used to mean iPhone.
parzivalm · 8 years ago
Apple probably owns the design because most other manufactures hopefully see that you shouldn't be looking at a notch every time you are viewing a video. I've been an iPhone user since day 1 but the screen shape on this phone just makes so little sense.

It wouldn't be the worst if Apple made it that iOS scaled everything so media wasn't blocked by the notch but instead if I get the iPhone X I have to wait for app developers to fix the issue. Seems like a poor decision.

improbable22 · 8 years ago
Marco Arment nailed this: https://marco.org/2017/09/18/courage

The iphone had an instantly recognisable silhouette for 10 years: symmetrical forehead & chin, with a big round home button. Going to very thin bezels necessarily throws this trademark away. Making lemonade, as it were, they've chosen to embrace the notch to create a new trademark.

Aloha · 8 years ago
The initial reports I read, indicated that the sensor block was not used as part of the video playback area, because the screen measured without the sensor block is 16:9.
bgentry · 8 years ago
My understanding is that media fills the screen in the same way it does on any other iPhone. A double tap will change the zoom setting such that it will letterbox and not cut off any part of the video. This setting is supposed to be saved when you view another video.

And because this screen has such a wide aspect ratio, in most cases you can zoom out and only have black bars on the notch side and opposite side (left & right when in landscape mode).

That being said, I do find the designs that “embrace the notch” (especially in landscape) repulsive. I’d much prefer if that area just stayed dark to blend in with the notch.

elif · 8 years ago
>I have to wait for app developers to fix the issue

Only the app developers who don't follow the guidelines:

"Don't attempt to hide the device's rounded corners, sensor housing, or indicator for accessing the Home screen by placing black bars at the top and bottom of the screen. "

https://developer.apple.com/ios/human-interface-guidelines/o...

madeofpalk · 8 years ago
> shouldn't be looking at a notch every time you are viewing a video.

For what it's worth, the iPhone X doesnt have a 16:9 display, so by default video displays pillar-boxed. Just like on iPad (which also doesnt have a 16:9 display), if you zoom in on the video you can make it occupy the full display, but cutting off a portion of the video.

treepeople · 8 years ago
>the screen shape on this phone just makes so little sense.

It is the only design that makes sense. The other manufacturers just put a bar down the bottom that has no purpose at all. No one cares about a notch. Obsessive personalities are just fixating on it.

jordache · 8 years ago
so IOS will not create a black bar to fill the areas adjacent to the notch?
macintux · 8 years ago
Positive observations regarding Apple, factually correct or not, seem to attract downvotes. The downvotes on this comment in particular really baffled me: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15538585
saagarjha · 8 years ago
> it took me awhile to get the hang of pressing down on one of the little cards representing an app in order to evoke a minus sign that allowed me to close it.

You're not supposed to perform this action regularly.

> I knew I’d mastered the gestures when I found myself trying to use them on my iPad. Oops. My finger no longer drifts to the home button, but pathetically swipes upwards, to no avail.

This should work on iPad if you're running iOS 11.