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throwaway99923 commented on Never waste a midlife crisis   austinkleon.com/2023/07/1... · Posted by u/herbertl
sircastor · 2 years ago
That’s tricky though, because the decision you can live with becomes the decision your partner and children also have to live with - and they get much less choice in the matter.
throwaway99923 · 2 years ago
Yes, happened to me. My ex had a mid life crisis and decided she didn't want to be a mother or wife anymore. She wanted to enjoy life and be free.

Great for her, terrible for everyone else in the family. After that experience, I take these kind of articles with a heavy dose of salt.

They translate loosely into "Be selfish, think only about yourself, live your own life" no matter the consequences.

throwaway99923 commented on Ask HN: Tired of being a software engineer, what next?    · Posted by u/throwaway99923
nine_zeros · 2 years ago
> It is stressful for all the wrong reasons.

Could you elaborate on this?

throwaway99923 · 2 years ago
It's pretty much the performance culture. It adds a level of stress which impedes my ability to do a good job. I also see a negative effect it has on others and the org's behaviour.

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throwaway99923 commented on Ask HN: Tired of being a software engineer, what next?    · Posted by u/throwaway99923
dogtorwoof · 2 years ago
I’m a medical doctor and I wish I became I software engineer instead.
throwaway99923 · 2 years ago
I have a very good friend who is a medical doctor and swapped to engineering. He bought some books and self studied. He's now working his dream job at a biotech startup trying to extend life, using both of his skills simultaneously. Based on what he tells me I'd say there is a large demand for the niche crossover of M.D. + SWE in the startup space right now.
throwaway99923 commented on Ask HN: Tired of being a software engineer, what next?    · Posted by u/throwaway99923
xupybd · 2 years ago
Have you thought about counseling?

It sounds like you have a good income and might be able to afford one. Often people think they just help you with mental illness but they can help you figure out your goals.

throwaway99923 · 2 years ago
Yes I've done almost 2 years now of therapy. It's partially how I pulled myself out of my depressing hole and went after one of my dreams (join a FAANG). Despite how disillusioned I sound here, I'm actually in a better place now mentally than I was in the last 5 years.
throwaway99923 commented on Ask HN: Tired of being a software engineer, what next?    · Posted by u/throwaway99923
shw1n · 2 years ago
I’ve found two ways to rekindle my love for coding/programming after I experienced similar disillusionment:

1) switched to information security. I found reverse engineering, doing CTFs, and hacking things in general brought back the sense of joy I’d lost.

So I took a job reverse engineering/exploiting embedded devices with half the pay and loved it, which ended up being one of the best places I’ve worked (and the pay quickly increased as I loved what I did)

2) Eventually left that role (sadly) and built my own business — this is the only time I’ve truly had my building itch scratched, as the only limit was my ability.

Granted, this requires some soft skills like sales and business acumen to be profitable/sustainable (i.e. knowing “what” to build is harder than building generally) — but incredibly satisfying.

throwaway99923 · 2 years ago
> switched to information security. I found reverse engineering, doing CTFs, and hacking things in general brought back the sense of joy I’d lost.

This really resonates with me. I did a binary exploitation class in my M.S. where we did weekly CTFs. I really, really enjoyed this - thanks for reminding me. Do you have any tips for breaking into the industry?

throwaway99923 commented on Ask HN: Tired of being a software engineer, what next?    · Posted by u/throwaway99923
pbw · 2 years ago
The "I will be happy when" trap is a dangerous one. Work on being content with that you have. Your health, your family, your friends, your hobbies. The fact that you live in 2023 and have the entire world of entertainment and information at your fingertips, something no human in the previous 200,000 years had.

> Everyone says ... a true engineer's paradise.

I've never had this impression of FAANG. I always figured there were a tiny number of people working on amazing projects, surrounded by a much larger number of people keeping the lights on, or working on very periphery projects that either no one cares about or which will never ship because of politics or business whims. Did you really think it would be ... paradise? Thinking that about ANYTHING is a recipe for dire soul-crushing disappointment.

throwaway99923 · 2 years ago
Re. FAANG I feel this must have been true at some point? I knew people who worked at these places in the 2010s and they loved it. I think I must have missed the golden period. There are probably still great teams with great culture at these places but they are difficult to get into and are the minority now.

And you're right, my expectations absolutely set me up for failure.

throwaway99923 commented on Ask HN: Tired of being a software engineer, what next?    · Posted by u/throwaway99923
elzbardico · 2 years ago
Stop chasing dreams instead. Life is not a Hollywood movie. Not everyone is going to get a famous billionaire. Adjust your expectations to reality, and stop thinking so highly of yourself, stop judging others.

Assume the responsibility for the things that happen in your life. It is kind of annoying to read your text, it is always some external thing that "happened" to you, and it is always other people who are not up to your standards. At some moment you even declare with despair: "(...)at this point I had just become like everyone else". And guess what? This is true and false at the same time, in a fundamental level most people are not remarkable, and you probably aren't too. But at the same time, nobody is the same, you have worth just by being, and other people have too.

I don't care about your engineering skills, while they are good enough to warrant you a job at a FAANG company, by 40, it is clear that you are not some John Carmack, a Dave Cutler, or a Linus Torvalds. So stop this bullshit about wanting to work with people who "care as much as I do", as if you are some hero descended from Olympus forced to work with those lowly mortals.

The impression I get is that you must be someone incredibly annoying to work with, and that your performance is not even nearly close to what you think it is, and that you really need to come down to earth.

Stop looking outside, work on yourself instead. You'll never be satisfied just by changing jobs. Do therapy if you wish, become acquainted with stoicism, be a volunteer in some poor country, whatever, but do something to regain control of your life, to get some perspective, and to adjust your expectations to reality.

throwaway99923 · 2 years ago
Hmm I guess what I said can come off as condescending. But I was trying to condense all of my experience in less than 4k words, and I guess I came out sounding a bit like an asshole based on your comment.

Trust me, I don't think that highly of myself. Even when I was getting good perf reviews, I constantly was critical of myself as not doing a good enough job. I had bad burn out for several years and it made me feel like I couldn't do my job anymore. My self confidence was very bad, and I still struggle with imposter syndrome in my current role.

Many of the things I described above, I used to blame myself for as if they were entirely my fault. It was only after working with a therapist I was able to reframe these events as being out of my control. Which helped me get out of the hole I was in. So I disagree it's bad to blame external events - I actually think that's a very healthy way to look at the bad things that happen to us.

By saying I want to work with people that care like I do, I mean people who are passionate about engineering and want to do a good job. I've found that incredibly hard to find. Morale in general just seems to be poor.

I probably just need to be realistic. It seems the kind of dream team I want to be on is very rare. I had it once in my career so far, and didn't even realize what I had at the time.

> The impression I get is that you must be someone incredibly annoying to work with

I'm actually a pushover, which is a problem. I go out of my way to make everyone I work with happy, at my own expense. Despite being an introvert, I'm the person organising social events, checking in on my team members who seem down, and trying to help everyone to get along. But I guess my inner dialogue makes me sound like an asshole, which is fair enough. I think I can be overly critical of others (and myself, first of all).

> Stop looking outside, work on yourself instead.

Yes, this is a good point and what I'm trying. I find my FAANG job very stressful, and it makes it hard for me to relax outside of work. Maybe my next challenge is just learning to disconnect from work as much as possible. Easier said then done.

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