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nske commented on Fish 4   github.com/fish-shell/fis... · Posted by u/SteveHawk27
do_not_redeem · a year ago
Speak for yourself, but I would not want to be beholden to AI for every trivial shell one-liner. "Sorry boss, ChatGPT is down, I can't count how many *.txt files are in this directory. See you tomorrow!"

I'll take the better syntax, thanks.

nske · a year ago
To be fair, even local, small language models fare pretty well in such things (both explaining and writing).
nske commented on Something weird is happening with LLMs and chess   dynomight.substack.com/p/... · Posted by u/crescit_eundo
lukan · a year ago
Cheating (using a internal chess engine) would be the obvious reason to me.
nske · a year ago
But in that case there shouldn't be any invalid moves, ever. Another tester found gpt-3.5-turbo-instruct to be suggesting at least one illegal move in 16% of the games (source: https://blog.mathieuacher.com/GPTsChessEloRatingLegalMoves/ )
nske commented on If you're so good, why aren't you making 600k at BigTech?   swizec.com/blog/if-you-re... · Posted by u/taubek
em-bee · 3 years ago
If suddenly no people chose to work in the business under some belief that it would be morally wrong, then what would happen?

salaries would rise, making it more costly, but motivating a few people to continue working there. in the long run it would contribute to make oil more expensive, which is really the only way to stop people from using it.

nske · 3 years ago
salaries would rise, making it more costly, but motivating a few people to continue working there

Sure, and they wouldn't be wrong to do so, just like they're not wrong now. We can't admit that on one hand we need something because there is no viable replacement and on the other consider that those that choose to work on that make a morally questionable choice.

nske commented on If you're so good, why aren't you making 600k at BigTech?   swizec.com/blog/if-you-re... · Posted by u/taubek
em-bee · 3 years ago
someone working in the fossil industry shouldn't be considered more responsible to the climate change than someone consuming fossil fuel

right, they shouldn't directly be more responsible than consumers, but they should be responsible for the influence that they do have at their job.

obviously consumers are responsible for the pollution they create. just today my son had a fit because a friend tried to use plastic to start a fire. this may not have been the right response, but he knows that burning plastic is bad, and he acted on that.

i have more sympathy with the oil workers because their options most likely are to quit and be out of work. but anyone who studies to work in the oil industry is making a questionable moral choice. (depends on their attitude, maybe they are trying to contribute improvements to make the impact of fossil fuels less damaging. that would be good)

nske · 3 years ago
The reality is that fossil fuel is still necessary, choosing to not work in the oil industry doesn't change that. If suddenly no people chose to work in the business under some belief that it would be morally wrong, then what would happen? Wide spread energy crises, affecting everything from heating to transportation/travel and all production chains.

I don't think anyone except the most hardcore climate activists would be willing to accept that cost, so I don't think it's consistent for anyone except these to judge negatively people who choose to work in this industry. This doesn't change that we as consumers should try and use as little fuel as possible, opt for renewables where possible etc., that's the only way to guide the change. If we do that, the market will take care of the rest as the conditions allow it.

nske commented on If you're so good, why aren't you making 600k at BigTech?   swizec.com/blog/if-you-re... · Posted by u/taubek
ramijames · 3 years ago
So the ends justify the means?

Do soldiers not carry responsibility for their actions while in an active army? What's the difference?

nske · 3 years ago
hm soldiers are only expected to follow orders that to the best of their knowledge are lawful, and are held accountable for following unlawful ones. The law actually covers a lot of the cases that are very clearly wrong (i.e. torture or execute prisoners).

That leaves ambiguous situations where for example there is an order saying "get satellite data from that location". In this case, if the data end up used for something unlawful, I think the responsibility doesn't lie with the soldiers at the bottom of the chain, no.

Now for the case that best serves your comparison, generally serving in an army that very clearly wages a war of aggression. In this case yes I think soldiers carry the responsibility to not help in any way (which realistically would mean stop being soldiers). The difference in this case is that we can't compare an army waging an aggressive war, which is as clear an evil as we can imagine and is in fact considered a crime internationally, with a company that analyses data collected by consent, where the question is whether the mechanism for obtaining consent is good enough or not.

nske commented on If you're so good, why aren't you making 600k at BigTech?   swizec.com/blog/if-you-re... · Posted by u/taubek
ramijames · 3 years ago
Not kidding, no.

"Take care of me and mine" is a fine way to burn the world down to cinders.

Can you honestly tell me that how surveillance capitalism has unfolded over the past twenty years has been a net positive for democracy or for world stability?

I say no, and those well paid cogs in those machines are complicit. They don't need to feel shame. They need to accept the scope of what they are doing and be mindful of its impact.

Honest and legal doesn't necessarily mean "right". Those that work in the fossil fuel industry are for the most part doing what is honest and right. They are also (as are we all) complicit in catastrophic climate change.

nske · 3 years ago
I don't think things are as simple as that. Maybe for example there are some technological or scientific breakthroughs with cross-domain application that come as a result of work that at present is practical only with the resources of giant companies like Google/Facebook/Microsoft. I think it's fair that engineers and scientists get to work for whatever employer they choose, doing what they do best and advances their expertise, without being judged negatively. I think the acquired experience and knowledge itself will leak, one way or the other, in applications that bring a net positive, even if the activities of the specific employer are not directly positive. Morally-wise, I think the onus shouldn't be on the workers any more than it should be on the consumers, so someone working in the fossil industry shouldn't be considered more responsible to the climate change than someone consuming fossil fuel.
nske commented on If you're so good, why aren't you making 600k at BigTech?   swizec.com/blog/if-you-re... · Posted by u/taubek
em-bee · 3 years ago
if your work is honest

if you work for advertising then your work isn't honest.

it's like saying being a janitor for a crime syndicate is honest work.

either way, your salary is coming from a dishonest source.

nske · 3 years ago
In general I dislike advertising industry, just like I dislike the banking industry, or the gambling industry, but I think the comparison to a crime syndicate is not a good one. The difference is that the existence of both is within the boundaries that are specified by law, which is the most objective mechanism that we have to define something as honest. I don't think the law is always right, but it's got to count for a bit more than each individual's subjective morals. Because in principle it tries to break down things and isolate exactly what is problematic, which is something we're not doing when we pass general judgement in the form of an opinion.

Wouldn't you agree for example that collecting and analysing user data for purposes of displaying relevant advertisements doesn't have to be dishonest, if the users consented to it? Maybe then the problem becomes that some methods of obtaining user consent are not honest -which would mean that there could be methods that are honest, and companies that can follow them.

And if the subject is so nuanced then maybe it's not fair to say that an employee that simply wants to work in their domain of expertise doesn't do honest work, just for failing to set more strict standards than the law with regards to their employer's activities.

nske commented on If you're so good, why aren't you making 600k at BigTech?   swizec.com/blog/if-you-re... · Posted by u/taubek
keyle · 3 years ago
Yes and yes, and yet I think you'll find most people here _are_ working for a boss.

Hands up if you've got a website selling printing cards for school, or an old cd business. These are the only ones I know here that printed a ton of money. The rest are just working long hours with golden handcuffs and a carrot in front of their nose.

nske · 3 years ago
hehe I'll repeat a cliche, that everyone's either working for one boss or working for multiple bosses. From my experience, working for a good boss can generally give more perceived freedom than working to satisfy investors or customers. When I was freelancing I felt like I was working to satisfy multiple bosses, having to do things that I didn't enjoy (i.e. customer communications, accounting) plus that I was forced to become the boss of myself, which wasn't fun. Whereas as an employee I've always been lucky to have bosses that act essentially like secretaries with executive power, shielding their staff from everyday nonsense, filtering what's relevant, helping prioritize and getting you what you need. Things can feel totally different if you have a bad boss, but at the very least, my take is that good bosses are out there and are worth trying to find.
nske commented on I spent a week without IPv4 to understand IPv6 transition mechanisms   apalrd.net/posts/2023/net... · Posted by u/pattyj
JohnFen · 3 years ago
This is pure anecdata, but almost everyone I know, include the people who aren't particularly computer-savvy, owns their own router and cable modem so that they don't have to pay a rental fee to their ISP.
nske · 3 years ago
I don't think charging rent for consumer broadband equipment is common in many countries, at least not in Europe.
nske commented on Chrome, 10 Years Later   neugierig.org/software/bl... · Posted by u/felixc
jbirer · 3 years ago
I will always support Chrome over Firefox because they are not politicizing their project, they just serve you and leave the politics to politicians. They earned their market dominance for being great and supporting things that Firefox did not at the time. I am OK with monopolies of good products, I don't really care about using an inferior product for the sake of lack of monopolies.
nske · 3 years ago
I think they mostly earned their market dominance by aggressive marketing -i.e. pestering the search engine users to install Chrome, or bundling it with most Android devices. I feel that any browser that was good enough (and Firefox was) could have gained the dominant position on the market if they had the same promotion platform.

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