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no-name-here commented on Waymo robotaxi hits a child near an elementary school in Santa Monica   techcrunch.com/2026/01/29... · Posted by u/voxadam
qwertyuiop_ · 10 days ago
Couldn’t be anymore callous and clinical. This press release alone makes me want not to use their service.

* “Following contact, the pedestrian stood up immediately, walked to the sidewalk, and we called 911. The vehicle remained stopped, moved to the side of the road, and stayed there until law enforcement cleared the vehicle to leave the scene,” Waymo wrote in the post.*

no-name-here · 9 days ago
The 'next' comment after yours is "Alternate headline: Waymo saves child's life" and the 'prev' comment is "A human driver would most likely have killed this child. That's what should be on the ledger." - would either of those be less 'callous and clinical'?

Other accident reports I've seen (NTSB, etc) often seem to take a similar approach - is it a bad thing?

Or what kind of language wouldn't make you 'want not to use their service'?

no-name-here commented on Waymo robotaxi hits a child near an elementary school in Santa Monica   techcrunch.com/2026/01/29... · Posted by u/voxadam
jsrozner · 10 days ago
So many tech lovers defending waymo.

If you drive a car, you have a responsibility to do it safely. The fact that I am usually better than the bottom 50% of drivers, or that I am better than a drunk driver does not mean that when I hit someone it's less bad. A car is a giant weapon. If you drive the weapon, you need to do it safely. Most people these days are incredibly inconsiderate - probably because there's little economic value in being considerate. The fact that lots of drivers suck doesn't mean that waymo gets a pass.

Waymos have definitely become more aggressive as they've been successful. They drive the speed limit down my local street. I see them and I think wtf that's too fast. It's one thing when there are no cars around. But if you've got cars or people around, the appropriate speed changes. Let's audit waymo. They certainly have an aggressiveness setting. Let's see the data on how it's changing. Let's see how safety buffers have decreased as they've changed the aggressiveness setting.

The real solution? Get rid of cars. Self-driving individually owned vehicles were always the wrong solution. Public transit and shared infra is always the right choice.

no-name-here · 9 days ago
> The fact that lots of drivers suck doesn't mean that waymo gets a pass.

But that fact does mean that we should encourage alternatives that reduce fatalities, and that not doing so results in fatalities that did not need to occur.

> The real solution? Get rid of cars.

I also support initiatives to improve public transit, etc. However, I don't think "get rid of cars" is a realistic idea to the general public right now, so let's encourage all of the things that improve things - robot drivers if they kill people less often than humans, public transit, etc. - let's not put off changes that will save lives on the hope that humanity will "get rid of cars" any time soon. Or when do you think humanity will "get rid of cars"?

no-name-here commented on Waymo robotaxi hits a child near an elementary school in Santa Monica   techcrunch.com/2026/01/29... · Posted by u/voxadam
kj4211cash · 10 days ago
It's interesting how polarized this comments section is. Lots of people claiming a human driver would definitely have been driving slower. Lots of people claiming statistics show that human drivers do worse in this scenario aggregate. Of course neither side presenting convincing evidence.
no-name-here · 9 days ago
I tried to find some data: In a 20 mph school zone, ~70-80% of drivers drove 26 mph or faster, regardless of whether there were flashing lights, an always-20 zone, or a 20-when-schoolchildren-present zone. [1]

Although note that ~70-80% of drivers drove 6 or more mph over the speed limit in a school zone, while it seems like the claims in some of these comments are that a human driver would drive at less than 17 mph out of an abundance of caution.

[1] https://wtsc.wa.gov/wp-content/uploads/dlm_uploads/2023/12/1...

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no-name-here · 9 days ago
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no-name-here commented on Waymo robotaxi hits a child near an elementary school in Santa Monica   techcrunch.com/2026/01/29... · Posted by u/voxadam
jsrozner · 10 days ago
That was my point. The Waymo should have been going much slower than 15 around the double-parked car. Potential speeding makes it worse.

The fact that it’s hard to turn this into a formula is exactly why robot drivers are bad.

no-name-here · 10 days ago
Are you comparing robot drivers to the existing alternative? Next time you see one of those blinking speed displays, I’d urge you to pull over and see how fast many human drivers go, and watch for what percent of them aren’t consistently even looking at the road ahead.
no-name-here commented on Waymo robotaxi hits a child near an elementary school in Santa Monica   techcrunch.com/2026/01/29... · Posted by u/voxadam
calibas · 10 days ago
> A human driver travelling at the same speed would have hit that child at exactly 17 mph, before their brain even registered that child was there.

Not sure where this is coming from, and it's directly contradicted by the article:

> Waymo said in its blog post that its “peer-reviewed model” shows a “fully attentive human driver in this same situation would have made contact with the pedestrian at approximately 14 mph.” The company did not release a specific analysis of this crash.

no-name-here · 10 days ago
No, Waymo’s quote supports the grandparent comment - it was about a “fully attentive human driver” - unless you are arguing that human drivers are consistently “fully attentive”?
no-name-here commented on Waymo robotaxi hits a child near an elementary school in Santa Monica   techcrunch.com/2026/01/29... · Posted by u/voxadam
myko · 10 days ago
Though given the situation a human driver would not have been going 17 mph in a school zone during drop-off near double parked vehicles
no-name-here · 10 days ago
1. I often see signs in such areas that flash when people exceed the limit. I’d urge you to pull over and see how often humans drive above the limit. 2. I’d urge you to also pull over and watch for how many drivers are not consistently looking at the road, such as using their phones, looking down at climate/entertainment/vehicle controls, looking at a passenger, etc
no-name-here commented on Waymo robotaxi hits a child near an elementary school in Santa Monica   techcrunch.com/2026/01/29... · Posted by u/voxadam
femto · 10 days ago
The performance of a human is inherently limited by biology, and the road rules are written with this in mind. Machines don't have this inherent limitation, so the rules for machines should be much stronger.

I think there is an argument for incentivising the technology to be pushed to its absolute limits by making the machine 100% liable. It's not to say the accident rate has to be zero in practice, but it has to be so low that any remaining accidents can be economically covered by insurance.

no-name-here · 10 days ago
At least in the interim, wouldn’t doing what you propose cause more deaths if robot drivers are less harmful than humans, but the rules require stronger than that? (I can see the point in making rules stronger as better options become available, but by that logic, shouldn't we already be moving towards requiring robots and outlawing human drivers if it's safer?)
no-name-here commented on Waymo robotaxi hits a child near an elementary school in Santa Monica   techcrunch.com/2026/01/29... · Posted by u/voxadam
stouset · 10 days ago
The car was driving 17mph before braking. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a human drive at 17mph in a school zone or other area children congregate.
no-name-here · 10 days ago
Meaning you’ve never seen a human drive that slowly in such an area, or you've never seen a human exceed the speed limit in a school zone?
no-name-here commented on Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot   github.com/moltbot/moltbo... · Posted by u/philip1209
MallocVoidstar · 12 days ago
As a result of this the official install is now installing a squatted package they don't control: https://github.com/moltbot/moltbot/issues/2760 https://github.com/moltbot/moltbot/issues/2775

But this is basically in line with average LLM agent safety.

no-name-here · 12 days ago
It's even worse than I guessed - moltbot updated their official docs to install the new package name ( https://github.com/moltbot/moltbot?tab=readme-ov-file#instal... ), but it was a package name they have not obtained, and a different non-clawdbot 'moltbot' package is there.

It's been 15 hours since that "CRITICAL" issue bug was opened, and moltbot has had dozens of commits ( https://github.com/moltbot/moltbot/commits/main/ ), but not to fix or take down the official install instructions that continue to have people install a 'moltbot' package that is not theirs.

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