We just did a zoom w/ 1,100+ different connections and it worked fine. I was pretty impressed.
So were the people who got all your data
Readit Newsmadwhitehatter commented on Zoom needs to clean up its privacy act blogs.harvard.edu/doc/202... · Posted by u/seapunk
madwhitehatter commented on Zoom’s Use of Facebook’s SDK in iOS Client blog.zoom.us/wordpress/20... · Posted by u/patrickyevsukov
madwhitehatter commented on Zoom’s Use of Facebook’s SDK in iOS Client blog.zoom.us/wordpress/20... · Posted by u/patrickyevsukov
So it sounds like Zoom was using the Facebook SDK, and now they're not.
I've been and iOS developer for a long time. I can tell you from experience that everyone does this. I have never worked for anyone who didn't ask for their app to include some combination of Facebook, Google, Flurry, AppCenter, Segment, Intercom, Parse, or whatever other random analytics framework the PM happens to be infatuated with.
Getting mad at Zoom for using the Facebook SDK is missing the point. They and a million others are always going to be doing this. Get mad at Apple for not letting you wireshark your own iPhone. Or having no way to package open source software where you can actually see what's running. As long as you're running binary blobs that can make whatever network connections they please, people are going to take your data and send it to places you don't know about.
Yeah maybe you can pass laws about it. But is that really a great solution? Who audits that? How do you determine what's legal and what's not? We should be pushing for a platform that makes it obvious what the software you're running is up to. The random pitchfork crusade against whatever company happens to catch a bad news cycle just isn't going to get us anywhere.
No, they don't? There are very few companies that record your phone calls/video calls, then transcribe them into text. Then store the data for themselves. This includes any data that we shared in the session. Why can't Zoom just come out and explain why they do this? Seems pretty simple. If you asked me?
madwhitehatter commented on Zoom’s Use of Facebook’s SDK in iOS Client blog.zoom.us/wordpress/20... · Posted by u/patrickyevsukov
>> we were made aware on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, that the Facebook SDK was collecting device information unnecessary
So Zoom is basically lying here
Come on, the developers who takes the responsibility to use the SDK were aware of it, ok maybe the CEO of Zoom or the market guy was not but the tech team is. They are not stupid.
You should have just apologise and assume your fault, that would be the courageous position, not denying it.
Tbh I am ok with Zoom sending my data to FB (I mean, in my case I've insta/messenger anyway) but not ok for Zoom taking everyone as naïve people with this lying statement.
This is what scares most security analysts is the fact that the product was developed and stores data in a place that has incredibly sketchy laws when it comes to intellectual property.
I can't see why Zoom can't come out with a statement regarding why they are collecting all of this sensitive data.
Big corporations might be sharing stuff unwittingly with people that they don't want to share it with.
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1585521/000119312519...
Top of page 21 in their SEC filing:
"In addition, we have a high concentration of research and development personnel in China, which could expose us to market scrutiny regarding the integrity of our solution or data security features. Any security compromise in our industry, whether actual or perceived, could harm our reputation, erode confidence in the effectiveness of our security measures, negatively affect our ability to attract new customers and hosts, cause existing customers to elect not to renew their subscriptions or subject us to third-party lawsuits, regulatory fines or other action or liability, which could harm our business."
madwhitehatter commented on Zoom’s Use of Facebook’s SDK in iOS Client blog.zoom.us/wordpress/20... · Posted by u/patrickyevsukov
"Webex, Teams"
Yeah some companies are behind the curve (not blaming you).
Zoom is getting very popular
From security perspective, Companies do not like the fact that Zoom was developed in China and the vast majority of its R&D is still in China. China has different rules on security than many other countries. Particularly surrounding intellectual property. https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1585521/000119312519...
"Top of page 21- In addition, we have a high concentration of research and development personnel in China, which could expose us to market scrutiny regarding the integrity of our solution or data security features. Any security compromise in our industry, whether actual or perceived, could harm our reputation, erode confidence in the effectiveness of our security measures, negatively affect our ability to attract new customers and hosts, cause existing customers to elect not to renew their subscriptions or subject us to third-party lawsuits, regulatory fines or other action or liability, which could harm our business."
madwhitehatter commented on Zoom needs to clean up its privacy act blogs.harvard.edu/doc/202... · Posted by u/seapunk
What could possibly happen in an educational setting that is so sensitive that it needs a CIA-level approach to safeguarding privacy?
The consequence of getting on a school bus can be life or death. The consequence of eating a peanut butter sandwich can be life or death.
If you’re a medical professional or psychiatrist, maybe you shouldn’t use zoom due it’s privacy record. But if you’re teaching a lecture on linked lists to your class of 30 kids, death via persecution should probably be very low on your considerations when choosing video conference tech.
Why do they have to record calls? Transcribe the call into text then Store it. Why do they need to take copies of whiteboards and PowerPoint’s it’s does not make sense.
madwhitehatter commented on Zoom needs to clean up its privacy act blogs.harvard.edu/doc/202... · Posted by u/seapunk
Somehow Zoom has become the Facebook of videoconferencing services.
Zoom, Facebook, Microsoft, and Google could all learn a thing or two from Apple with regard to privacy policy.
They record and transcribe all calls why? Where do they store it? Why do they store it?
madwhitehatter commented on Zoom needs to clean up its privacy act blogs.harvard.edu/doc/202... · Posted by u/seapunk
> I definitely share your objection in principle. If this situation continues long into the future (a terrifying thought), then perhaps I'll revisit my choice of software. But in the short term, to be honest, I don't much care.
Do the students not care?
This goes much deeper than add data. The collect PowerPoints and record and transcribe all calls this is. And it’s unencrypted
madwhitehatter commented on Zoom needs to clean up its privacy act blogs.harvard.edu/doc/202... · Posted by u/seapunk
Think twice before using Zoom. They have a lot of engineers in China developing the core technology. You would be foolish to conduct meetings and share sensitive docs over zoom. Communist party is listening to everything.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/26/zoom-key-profit-driver-ahead...
Zoom was developed in China
Look at the top of page 21 of their sec submission. https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1585521/000119312519...
Mistake? whoops