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lucian1900 commented on Texas power crisis revealed flaw in market’s design   news.cornell.edu/stories/... · Posted by u/PaulHoule
dang · 4 years ago
Swipes do not make people "wonder why they are so hated". They just make them hate back. That is not useful.

If you want to actually be heard, you need to communicate in a way that works for the other.

lucian1900 · 4 years ago
Being reasonable is often not effective. It’s like asking workers to communicate in a way that works for the capitalists’ police, as they get shot. Most Americans will choose fascism anyway, the only point is to get the rest to see it. Aggression is far more effective at that.

It’s not surprising you’d side with the empire, your material interests align with it. Y combinator is after all part of the export of capital at usury rates. It’s ok, when our turn comes we will make no excuses either.

lucian1900 commented on Texas power crisis revealed flaw in market’s design   news.cornell.edu/stories/... · Posted by u/PaulHoule
dang · 4 years ago
We stopped using the word civility many years ago already, because it doesn't communicate the values we care about here.

> If you ban polemics, you side with the dominant ideology.

There's a strong version and a weak version of that argument. Using it to justify garden-variety internet swipes like "only Americans and children could believe such an absurd statement" is the weak version, and not very persuasive.

Thoughtful critique is welcome here, and curious conversation between people who respect each other and listen to each other is hardly a 'dominant ideology'. The problem is that a lot of us (all of us, most likely) use noble concepts to justify treating others badly.

lucian1900 · 4 years ago
Doesn’t really matter what you call it, the end result is about the same: polite thoughtful conversation on whether Chinese Americans should be interned or whether Eastern Europe should be invaded by NATO or even just whether exploiting workers is acceptable. It used to be about whether my Serbian neighbours should be bombed, but on previous forums.

Swipes at Americans are useful, it can make them wonder why their country is so hated across the world. It can also be useful as part of a wider polemic to re-focus on the real contradiction: imperialists versus the rest of us.

Your rules as enforced absolutely reinforce imperialism, regardless of your intentions. Again, it’s your website. I’m not going to convince you, just trying to explain to you what you’re doing.

lucian1900 commented on Texas power crisis revealed flaw in market’s design   news.cornell.edu/stories/... · Posted by u/PaulHoule
dang · 4 years ago
No, we don't care if someone is "conforming to liberalism", we care whether they're conforming to the HN guidelines. It's common for people to think that we're secretly siding with their opponents when we do this kind of moderation (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...), but that sort of perception isn't based in fact.
lucian1900 · 4 years ago
Liberalism is the root of this obsession with civility, while our countries get bombed and pillaged. If you ban polemics, you side with the dominant ideology.

As before, you compare similar handling of centre-left and far right politics. Good luck with that.

lucian1900 commented on Texas power crisis revealed flaw in market’s design   news.cornell.edu/stories/... · Posted by u/PaulHoule
dang · 4 years ago
We've banned this account for breaking the site guidelines. You can't post like this here, regardless of how right you are or feel you are.

Also: we ban accounts that use HN primarily for ideological battle, regardless of what they're battling for or against. It's not what this site is for, it destroys what it is for, and I had to ask you about this already.

If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

lucian1900 · 4 years ago
Others are free to make inflammatory ideological and political points, as long as they conform to liberalism.

It’s your website, but history will not judge you kindly.

lucian1900 commented on California sues Tesla over ‘racial segregation’ claims at factory   theguardian.com/business/... · Posted by u/softwarebeware
0xdeadb00f · 4 years ago
I'm pretty sure sanders is the most left of all the dems. The rest of them were more center-left. If he's center left, then which dem is the farthest left?
lucian1900 · 4 years ago
Sanders, maybe AOC. There are no US Democrats further left than that.

You do have far-left organisations in the US, though. There's the CPUSA and the PSL, for example.

Just because electoral politics in a particular country lack one end of the spectrum doesn't mean the spectrum doesn't exist.

lucian1900 commented on California sues Tesla over ‘racial segregation’ claims at factory   theguardian.com/business/... · Posted by u/softwarebeware
nailer · 4 years ago
Compromise between business owners and workers. Workers are often capitalists. But yes that’s correct.
lucian1900 · 4 years ago
Capitalists, otherwise known as the bourgeoisie, make money from owning capital.

Workers, otherwise known as the proletariat, make money from their own labour.

Workers are by definition not capitalists.

lucian1900 commented on California sues Tesla over ‘racial segregation’ claims at factory   theguardian.com/business/... · Posted by u/softwarebeware
deburo · 4 years ago
lucian1900 · 4 years ago
Yes, quite literally Bonapartist compromise between the bourgeoisie and the proletariat.
lucian1900 commented on California sues Tesla over ‘racial segregation’ claims at factory   theguardian.com/business/... · Posted by u/softwarebeware
deburo · 4 years ago
Warren labeled a centrist is pretty rich considering she keeps yelling at clouds about corporate greed (her explanation for inflation)
lucian1900 · 4 years ago
That’s what centrists tend to say, yes. Compromise between capitalists and workers.

Someone on the left might speak about trade unions, collectivising industry, arming workers, etc.

lucian1900 commented on California sues Tesla over ‘racial segregation’ claims at factory   theguardian.com/business/... · Posted by u/softwarebeware
cloutchaser · 4 years ago
This has nothing to do of course with Musk being quite visibly resistant to aggressive far-left tactics, and standing up to political rhetoric vs Sanders and Warren.

No, not a power game at all.

With the world we live in, and the high profile of Tesla, not to mention their great record on LGBT rights in the past, I literally find it impossible to believe this. Widespread racial segregation? Like which company would create it's own suicide by doing this? In Silicon valley, california, the most "progressive" place on earth? Which company or HR deparment in 2022 isn't terrified of even a hint of racism, and would jump and correcting it.

This is a hit job to show a rebel who's boss. Just like the wave after wave of attempts to get Rogan off Spotify.

lucian1900 · 4 years ago
Warren and Sanders are centrists. Centre-right and centre-left respectively.

u/lucian1900

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