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jtcohen commented on Launch HN: Maritime Fusion (YC W25) – Fusion Reactors for Ships    · Posted by u/jtcohen
FiatLuxDave · 6 months ago
Greybeard former fusion founder here. Wishing you guys all the luck in the world! Email in profile in case you wish to chat.

For all the naysayers, as a fusion startup, targeting the marine market is a good move. They aren't even the first fusion startup to do so; IIRC Rostoker's group got their first major funding from the NRL. The marine market pays a premium for not having to refuel, and historically emerging energy technologies have early commercialization in ships. This was true for fission in the 50s and for photovoltaic solar in the 70s/80s.

Now, sure, they have to make power to be able to sell it. But to build a reactor, you have to raise funds, and in order to raise funds you have to show that you can make money if you are successful at making power. Explicitly aiming at a market that might actually pay for overpriced power shows their investors that there may be a valid business case. That doesn't make fusion happen any easier, but you don't make any reactions without first building a reactor.

You know, I'm sure these guys could work somewhere getting paid to get more people to click on stuff. Instead they are taking a risk to do something that might be important. Make no mistake: fusion founder is a tough gig. There is no established off-ramp, and many fusion founders find that it's a job that can easily eat your career. I hope their plan B is in order, as well as their prenups and/or wills. They are going off to fight a dragon that's eaten a lot of other people's careers, relationships and sanity.

As an aside, it's nice to see someone working on a tokamak actually not being overly optimistic about wall heat flux. It's like somebody actually paid attention to Stacey or something ;)

jtcohen · 6 months ago
Thank you very much !!! Really appreciate this :)
jtcohen commented on Launch HN: Maritime Fusion (YC W25) – Fusion Reactors for Ships    · Posted by u/jtcohen
chiph · 6 months ago
The NS Savannah (fission powered) was unable to enter some ports because the local governments did not allow nuclear powered vessels in their waters.

Do you think that a fusion powered vessel will be allowed in?

jtcohen · 6 months ago
Yes
jtcohen commented on Launch HN: Maritime Fusion (YC W25) – Fusion Reactors for Ships    · Posted by u/jtcohen
rnhmjoj · 6 months ago
> One common question is, why not fission? Fission works technically, but not practically. Small Modular Reactors (SMRs) could power ships, but licensing fission reactors on land is already brutally hard and expensive—doing it for vessels moving between international ports with enriched uranium is nearly impossible

What makes you think that licensing a fusion reactor will be easier? Safely handling tritium is fantastically more complicated that the fuel of a fission power plant.

Also, do you plan on breeding your fuel aboard the ship? If no, how do you plan to produce, store the tritium and refuel the ship? If yes, I'd like to know how you are planning to host the massive chemical plant to purify coolant, recycle unburt fuel, separate isotopes, detriatiate water and refuel that comes with your tokamak.

jtcohen · 6 months ago
Safely handling tritium is fantastically more complicated that the fuel of a fission power plant - I disagree with this, especially when considering the infinitely long HLW with fission fuel. Handling Tritium isn't easy but it's much more manageable.

Tritium breeding: we will have a FLiBe blanket and breed tritium, but we won't be processing and pulling out the Tritium on board, that will happen on land, so at port you drain the Tritiated FLiBe and replace it with Li-6 enriched FLiBe. There's a few companies working on the Tritium fuel cycle technology that are making great progress.

jtcohen commented on Launch HN: Maritime Fusion (YC W25) – Fusion Reactors for Ships    · Posted by u/jtcohen
jaronchong · 6 months ago
I'm just going to put this here. Someone please make this a reality.

### *"Tokamak Sailor"* (To the tune of "Drunken Sailor")

*(Verse 1)* What shall we do with a tokamak sailor? What shall we do with a tokamak sailor? What shall we do with a tokamak sailor? Early in the mornin'!

*(Chorus)* *Ho, ho! Fire up the plasma!* *Ho, ho! Fire up the plasma!* *Ho, ho! Fire up the plasma!* *Fusion in the mornin'!*

*(Verse 2)* Raise the coils and heat up the torus! Raise the coils and heat up the torus! Raise the coils and heat up the torus! Early in the mornin'!

(Chorus repeats)

*(Verse 3)* Confine the plasma, don't let it scatter! Confine the plasma, don't let it scatter! Confine the plasma, don’t let it scatter! Early in the mornin'!

(Chorus repeats)

*(Verse 4)* Sail with the power of fusion glory! Sail with the power of fusion glory! Sail with the power of fusion glory! Early in the mornin'!

(Final Chorus, extra loud!) *Ho, ho! Fire up the plasma!* *Ho, ho! Fire up the plasma!* *Ho, ho! Fire up the plasma!* *Fusion in the mornin'!*

Now all aboard the reactor ship, lads! Keep that plasma hot, and may the tides be ever in our favor!

jtcohen · 6 months ago
Lol - on it
jtcohen commented on Launch HN: Maritime Fusion (YC W25) – Fusion Reactors for Ships    · Posted by u/jtcohen
sidcool · 6 months ago
Congrats on launching. This is a hard area. Wish you luck.
jtcohen · 6 months ago
Thank you!
jtcohen commented on Launch HN: Maritime Fusion (YC W25) – Fusion Reactors for Ships    · Posted by u/jtcohen
vednig · 6 months ago
now, this is a thing that I want to see YC invest more into
jtcohen · 6 months ago
Agreed!
jtcohen commented on Launch HN: Maritime Fusion (YC W25) – Fusion Reactors for Ships    · Posted by u/jtcohen
dghlsakjg · 6 months ago
Is the tritium a different isotope than the one I can have shipped to my house on the internet?

https://tritiumworkshop.com/products/megaglow-tritium-marker...

jtcohen · 6 months ago
Nope, that's it! We do need vastly larger quantities though, on the order of a kilogram.
jtcohen commented on Launch HN: Maritime Fusion (YC W25) – Fusion Reactors for Ships    · Posted by u/jtcohen
gosub100 · 6 months ago
> we’re focusing on large commercial shipping (>10,000 TEU) and mobile military vessels to provide ship-to-shore power capability

I can't tell for sure what this means, if it's propulsion or a temporary ship to shore power plant. I suppose this gives them the latitude to target both. Or perhaps the idea is to get exposure to maritime shipping investors.

A mobile power plant might be useful for deep sea mining, or meeting seasonal energy demands for major cities.

jtcohen · 6 months ago
Unlike what the nuclear Navy does today which is directly mechanically link the steam turbine to the propeller... we have the turbine spin a generator that creates a high voltage electric bus, which can than power a motor for propulsion. But you can 'easily' swap out the motor and tap off that HV bus for any other electrical load. Agree with all those other potential applications for mobile power at sea, there's a ton! Even disaster relief after hurricanes sort of thing, if the grid goes down we sail over and support.
jtcohen commented on Launch HN: Maritime Fusion (YC W25) – Fusion Reactors for Ships    · Posted by u/jtcohen
algo_trader · 6 months ago
What is the feedback from actual prospective clients?

Did YC ask mostly about feasibility, or were they more interested in the customer's opinion?

jtcohen · 6 months ago
The customers are interested, there's really no slam dunk other way to decarbonize the industry, it's a super hard (and expensive) problem.
jtcohen commented on Launch HN: Maritime Fusion (YC W25) – Fusion Reactors for Ships    · Posted by u/jtcohen
dust42 · 6 months ago
Also, what's you intermediate plans between :

2025 -> Post on HN

2028 -> Q>1 achieved (by you ? by someone else ?)

CFS plans Q>1 for 2027 with a tokamak design. If they succeed then there will be plenty of VC for similar designs. I'd place my bets that CFS succeeds with Q>1. And I think the real problem will be the energy flux and neutron handling and thus much more a material sciences problem than a plasma physics problem. Thus the idea to look for a niche that has lower power needs is a very clever one. My bet would be rather on Maritime Fusion than Helion. But nevertheless, CFS will be likely first at Q>1 however there is always space for another competitor.

jtcohen · 6 months ago
Exactly this !!

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